Saudi Crown Prince Hosts Pakistan Army Chief in a Camp Tent

[SaadH]

ohh look at their cute smiles like puppies infront of mr bonesaw.

Baachain aisay khilee hoee hain jaisay amma kay valimay aaya hoa hai..

 

[TheSolution]

Do we have an example like this anywhere in the world? Where a country is self-harming itself even after getting the results (inflation, poor governance, etc). The ego is too big that the country is tethering criminals in Karachi, gathering nationalists in KPK (ANP, PTM), and strengthening the plunderers PPP (Tareen, Aleem, independents, BAP to join PPP) so to stop a party which represents the public?

But the ego vanishes in front of Saudis, the US, etc!

Old habits die hard, if at all.

They are addicted to the power and money, and their brain simply can't comprehend the negative impacts of nepotism and having personal favourites. They are from Pakistan, what more can you expect?

They really are prepared to die on this hill.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

you are not aware that Bajwa is no longer the Army Chief.

So atleast you to consider Bajwa a beghairut

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

So how much Asim Munir has secured the 'bheek' so far ? if he has managed to convince Saudis for atleast $8 billions than meri taruf se nishan e haider shaheed huay beghair. $8 billions figure might be a bit unrealistic and too much to demand for even for Pakistan Military Inc., company but you really need to push them hard to beg for this target moving forward after all they have done a remarkable job in ousting previous Govt and installing current imported regime.

 

[blain2]

So atleast you to consider Bajwa a beghairut

In a nation of beghairats, why single out only Bajwa? All these years, each of these governments (PDM, PTI included) have sent emissaries (in mufti or khaki) like beghairats to various world capitals to get money.

So why this selective chagrin now? Double-standards and hypocrisy of the highest order if your ghairat is only bothered now. Hur government nay zaleel kiya hai including the incumbents and the ones before. No exceptions!

But then if the beghairats in the nation don't pay their due of taxes then why blame the sitting government or the poor CoAS softening the ground for the ask for the entire country?

 

[GuySajerGD1943]

And we expect these guys to win a war for Pakistan? We're lucky the Indians are naturally born cowards, or Pakistan would be in serious trouble. Carrying that stick around is uber cringe. I've said it before, and I'll repeat it, Pakistan needs another military organization that is not accountable to the Americans or British. These guys won't fight for the average Pakistani. We all know it. Hell, they continue to send its infantry in pickup trucks to be killed/maimed. I've seen dozens of these videos and it makes me angry. They can label it as "Shadadat" and call it a day. Packs of hyenas.

In a nation of beghairats, why single out only Bajwa? All these years, each of these governments (PDM, PTI included) have sent emissaries (in mufti or khaki) like beghairats to various world capitals to get money.

So why this selective chagrin now? Double-standards and hypocrisy of the highest level if your ghairat is only bothered now. Hur government nay zaleel kiya hai including the incumbents and the ones before. No exceptions!

But then if the beghairats in the nation don't pay their due of taxes then why blame the sitting government or the poor CoAS softening the ground for the ask for the entire country?

You're wasting your time. Corrupt institutions were not built for war, but to keep Muslims in line. They get free weapons but if you bombed poor villagers in Waziristan or in Afghanistan. Do you want to fight coward pagans on the eastern front? forget about any new weapon systems from Uncle Sam. These morons let an enemy state stabilize and concentrate on their economy while ensuring the destruction of Pakistan's stability and economy.

 

[omegared]

Neutrals being Neutral again?
Why is he in Saudi, is he our new foreign minister,
Or is he exerting his authority over us?

He should be fired and so should his bootlickers in the army,
Then face charges of treason.
Clearly nothin has changed since Bajwa left.

 

[One_Nation]

In a nation of beghairats, why single out only Bajwa? All these years, each of these governments (PDM, PTI included) have sent emissaries (in mufti or khaki) like beghairats to various world capitals to get money.

So why this selective chagrin now? Double-standards and hypocrisy of the highest level if your ghairat is only bothered now. Hur government nay zaleel kiya hai including the incumbents and the ones before. No exceptions!

But then if the beghairats in the nation don't pay their due of taxes then why blame the sitting government or the poor CoAS softening the ground for the ask for the entire country?

Because Bajwa and other chiefs commit treason when they do beghairti. They are not permitted by law to adopt this role and are not qualified to run the Government.
Regarding beghairat politicians, its the army that meddles in that system and pushes its favorite beghairats.
The sitting COAS is not 'poor'. He is showing he is above the law and will do whatever he wants.

That alone is a treasonous behaviour for a civilized society. I know you will say its not a civilized society, I would say then why not be uncivilized in criticising them and calling of termination of these walking tumors?

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

In a nation of beghairats, why single out only Bajwa? All these years, each of these governments (PDM, PTI included) have sent emissaries (in mufti or khaki) like beghairats to various world capitals to get money.

So why this selective chagrin now? Double-standards and hypocrisy of the highest order if your ghairat is only bothered now. Hur government nay zaleel kiya hai including the incumbents and the ones before. No exceptions!

But then if the beghairats in the nation don't pay their due of taxes then why blame the sitting government or the poor CoAS softening the ground for the ask for the entire country?

Bajwa is actually Maha beghairut

 

[blain2]

Because Bajwa and other chiefs commit treason when they do beghairti. They are not permitted by law to adopt this role and are not qualified to run the Government.
Regarding beghairat politicians, its the army that meddles in that system and pushes its favorite beghairats.
The sitting COAS is not 'poor'. He is showing he is above the law and will do whatever he wants.

That alone is a treasonous behaviour for a civilized society. I know you will say its not a civilized society, I would say then why not be uncivilized in criticising them and calling of termination of these walking tumors?

I think this is a misunderstanding around how they get pulled in and also what "treason" is. Most throw treason around casually not understanding that if treason is to be proven, it needs a lot more than naray-baazi in a court of law specially after the passing of 18th amendment of the constitution where what is "treason" is spelled out very categorically.

It is an impossibility that a sitting CoAS would just decide to fly to a foreign capital to meet that country's leadership without tacit agreement of the government of the day. You want to give a certain former or even the current PM a pass, you go ahead and do that perhaps because ignorance is bliss.

The reality is that KSA/UAE/China did not care much for IK (and perhaps also the PDM walay now). In order to get Pakistan's precarious situation in front of them, the CoAS has to do this shuttling and the PM House has known this starting with the PTI government's tenure (same page mantra.). Honestly, I wish this did not matter for Pakistan and we did not need these countries but unfortunately we do.

All I will say is that if the sitting government was against this, they would have found a way to tell the BPS-21 officer to not travel and meet the foreign leaders with this ask. I am 99% confident, the CoAS travels only after getting the green light from the PM house.

 

[One_Nation]

I think this is a misunderstanding around how they get pulled in and also what "treason" is. Most throw treason around casually not understanding that if treason is to be proven, it needs a lot more than naray-baazi in a court of law specially after the passing of 18th amendment of the constitution where what is "treason" is spelled out very categorically.

It is an impossibility that a sitting CoAS would just decide to fly to a foreign capital to meet that country's leadership without tacit agreement of the government of the day. You want to give a certain former or even the current PM a pass, you go ahead and do that perhaps because ignorance is bliss.

The reality is that KSA/UAE/China did not care much for IK (and perhaps also the PDM walay now). In order to get Pakistan's precarious situation in front of them, the CoAS has to do this shuttling and the PM House has known this starting with the PTI government's tenure (same page mantra.). Honestly, I wish this did not matter for Pakistan and we did not need these countries but unfortunately we do.

All I will say is that if the sitting government was against this, they would have found a way to tell the BPS-21 officer to not travel and meet the foreign leaders with this ask. I am 99% confident, the CoAS travels only after getting the green light from the PM house.

Don't take everyone as a fool. He gets 'tacit' agreement because its their own government. If the government doesn't approve of whatever these thugs want to do then there will be consequences for them.

COAS doesn't have to do this. He is forcing himself this un-constitutional role using the power of his danda. Its the job of foreign ministry and PM to do foreign relations.
These thugs are heavily paid and under oath for a very different role.

So you can prove that treason is not the correct word as per some laws that you have no reference to, but still a COAS attacking his own country and sabotaging other institutions is a traitor by all standards.

 

[blain2]

Don't take everyone as a fool. He gets 'tacit' agreement because its their own government. If the government doesn't approve of whatever these thugs want to do then there will be consequences for them.

COAS doesn't have to do this. He is forcing himself this un-constitutional role using the power of his danda. Its the job of foreign ministry and PM to do foreign relations.
These thugs are heavily paid and under oath for a very different role.

So you can prove that treason is not the correct word as per some laws that you have no reference to, but still a COAS attacking his own country and sabotaging other institutions is a traitor by all standards.

Ok so the CoAS travels to a foreign capital to ask for fiscal space for "Pakistan" for his own good? Right!

Never before has the foreign policy of Pakistan been ceded at a scale to the establishment by a sitting government as it was done in the PTI tenure. Let's realize why that was done and in return for what. This constant passing the buck is getting old now. Everything is someone else's fault and no responsibility lies with PTI.

No CoAS has "attacked" his own country. If anything, double-standards are being applied. When the very same CoAS was derailing PTI's adversaries, not a peep about all of what you post above. The day the establishment lifts its political support for PTI, suddenly its treason/attack against Pakistan. Look at everything by the book and not when it only suits one party's political narrative.

I will re-state, just because you say someone is a "traitor" does not make him one. Get the courts to convict if you folks are so insistent that treason against Pakistan has been committed. If anything, a former rafeeq is no longer a rafeeq of one political party.

 

[Jango]

In order to get Pakistan's precarious situation in front of them, the CoAS has to do this shuttling and the PM House has known this starting with the PTI government's tenure (same page mantra.).

Let's not be disingenuous here shall we?

This has been going on ever since Mushy, and came to it's head during the Raheel Sharif days. Should I start narrating some of the tales here?

As I've said before, Mushy has done irreparable damage and greatly muddied the lines between civilian governance and military interference. Ever since those days the military believes it is it's right to interfere in civilian affairs, from foreign policy to economy to domestic affairs. Heck even PTV has the DG ISPR as a board member!

 

[blain2]

Let's not be disingenuous here shall we?

This has been going on ever since Mushy, and came to it's head during the Raheel Sharif days. Should I start narrating some of the tales here?

As I've said before, Mushy has done irreparable damage and greatly muddied the lines between civilian governance and military interference. Ever since those days the military believes it is it's right to interfere in civilian affairs, from foreign policy to economy to domestic affairs. Heck even PTV has the DG ISPR as a board member!

Musharraf was the President of Pakistan and also its chief executive as such due to circumstances, lines were going to get crossed. Apples and oranges here.

In PTI's tenure, the "deal" was to cede FP to the establishment in return for total political landscape domination by the PTI. Why commit to this deal? Obviously because there was some "dependency" (now the PTI base wants to completely negate this perception).

If this was so unpalatable to IK and PTI, why did they not stick to their guns and tell the BPS-21 officer to crawl back to Pindi? Why was Bajwa flying to every country of consequence before IK took the same trip to these very same countries to discuss fiscal space for Pakistan?

You tell me I am being "disingenuous" here and yet the entire narrative by the PTI base here is to pass the buck and blame someone else.

I can guarantee, if you all don't own up, when your party gets back in the office, more of the same awaits it.

 

[Jango]

Musharraf was the President of Pakistan and also its chief executive as such due to circumstances, lines were going to get crossed. Apples and oranges here.

And how exactly did he become President of Pakistan? Did he win some election?

Danday kay zor par aya tha and he turned the whole system upside down.

Are you seriously going to defend Musharraf and the transgresses he made?

In PTI's tenure, the "deal" was to cede FP to the establishment in return for total political landscape domination by the PTI. Why commit to this deal? Obviously because there was some "dependency" (now the PTI base wants to completely negate this perception).

And how exactly did you reach this conclusion regarding the deal?

If it is from your personal sources, then your source is as good as mine. From what I know, the only deal was to give Afghanistan issue to the estab, and let Moeed Yusuf serve as a bridge between the estab and government. All other foreign policy initiatives were a hybrid of both, as has been the case since decades.

Just recall the Hamid Mir article from a couple of days ago.

If this was so unpalatable to IK and PTI, why did they not stick to their guns and tell the BPS-21 officer to crawl back to Pindi? Why was Bajwa flying to every country of consequence before IK took the same trip to these very same countries to discuss fiscal space for Pakistan?

I wish it were that easy to do so.

When PTI did push back on certain things, we know the end result.

Itna hi asan hota BPS-21 officer ko push back karna, then he wouldn't have created such a fuss over a DG ISI appointment, who actually reports to the PM.

I can guarantee, if you all don't own up, when your party gets back in the office, more of the same awaits it.

More of the same awaits us all if the establishment does not learn to stick to what it's good at, and not set off on it's vanity projects. Bajwa ko kia takleef hai agr Buzdar sahi kaam nhn kar raha ya ittehadi naraz hain? What business does he have meeting N reps, Noor Alam Khan, and Raja Riaz? Why does he push Aleem Khan for CM?

You can have a go at PTI all day long, but please do not portray it as if the establishment is being forced to do all that it does and is the victim here.