Saudi Arabia unveiled CH-4 armed unmanned aerial vehicle

[c-dome1]

What are you willing to sell KSA?

 

[c-dome1]

thats inaugh?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

KSA and China have had cordial ties since diplomatic relations were established. Ancient Arabia/Arab world and ancient China have enjoyed millennia old ties, mostly based on trade. The first and last time to date that Arabs and Chinese were ever in a direct conflict with each other was in the 700's when the Arab Abbasid caliphate/empire defeated the Han Chinese Tang Dynasty at the Battle of Taras in 751.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Talas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Arab_relations

China is in fact the biggest trading partner of KSA and China's trade with the Arab world is only rivaled by the trade that they enjoy with the US and a few other nearby countries such as Japan and South Korea if I am not mistaken. In fact the Chinese government is so interested in improving ties with the Arab world that the Chinese government has created an "Arab Policy Paper" the first such paper to date and until now something unseen.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2016-01/13/c_135006619.htm

http://thediplomat.com/tag/chinas-arab-policy-paper/

China knows that the Arab world due to its extreme riches in terms of natural resources, minerals, hugely strategic location (center of the world basically), large, growing and young populations, as the gateway to Africa (another upcoming economic power due to sheer population size and unfilled potential), the geopolitical perspective, is a very important area for China to be present in.

In fact the Arab world gives China an direct access to the West and Europe as well. Imagine for a while, that sometime in 2050, that Europe will be surrounded by (potentially) pro-Chinese Arab states. This will give China a lot of benefits because so far China has been confined to her own sphere of influence. Of course aside from economic investments in developing African (Sub-Saharan mostly) states etc.

Such a relationship would open a lot of doors. If the wider Arab/Muslim world could join forces with China economically, politically, militarily, etc. I suspect that a lot of good for both parties could emerge. Certainly something better than the current partnership with the West.

Anyway KSA and China had close military dealings already in the 1980's and 1990's (look no further than missiles) and recently this has only intensified a lot.

KSA and China held an military exercise in China (for the first time ever) last year as well.

Last year an strategic security pact was also signed.

https://defence.pk/threads/saudi-arabia-china-sign-security-cooperation-pact.459776/

A few days ago the Chinese navy visited KSA (Jeddah) and the GCC as well.





http://english.chinamil.com.cn/view/2017-01/10/content_7446160.htm

And currently (outside of the military and economic sphere) the cultural sphere is emerging quickly, best exemplified with the ongoing "Roads of Arabia" exhibition at the National Museum of Beijing that millions of Chinese are expected to visit.

http://en.chnmuseum.cn/tabid/522/Default.aspx?ExhibitionLanguageID=636

So much for KSA/GCC blindly following Uncle Tom. That was never the case but ignorant clowns will of course repeat themselves to death. Good for them that they know nothing because I suspect that a lot of "surprises" will emerge from now on and for the foreseeable future.

@Chinese-Dragon @ChineseTiger1986 @Shotgunner51 @long_ etc.

Will be produced locally very soon.

Yes, indeed. China has shown that it is willing to offer JV's and ToT to partners and the people in the Arab and Muslim world, have much greater trust of Chinese than Westerners as there is no historical burden or rivalries as neighbors often have it or neighboring regions.

Both parties would do well if they focused on even more cooperation on all mutually beneficial fields. China, Arab/Muslim world that is. I believe in that strongly and ever since I became politically interested as a teenager this has been my belief. I have never changed it.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Anyway to make it clear, I don't dislike Western people or even the West as a cultural phenomenon but I do realize that they, like any other country/region/bloc are looking for their own interests first and foremost. The West has shown since the colonial era (that also impacted China and much of the non-Western world if not all of it) that they do not care about progress in the region, being direct neighbors of the Arab world or not. They were happy as long as the natural resources and minerals were offered to them and as long as there was somewhat of an stability (in order words unrest was/is fine as long as it does not impact Europe/the West directly) and no challenging regimes in power. Basically they wanted/want an obedient neighbor that they can easily influence. Basically much of the current "order" (not very successful overall) in the Muslim world is mostly the legacy of the colonial era.

On the other hand Chinese interests and that of the Arab world and wider Muslim world collide naturally if you ask me. Hence why I believe that such an relationship must be cultivated. Forget about the regimes in power in the Arab world currently( they won't last forever) but think about the people. Same story in China.

If increased economic, political, social, military etc. ties could lead to a close, respectful and mutually beneficial partnership between China and the Arab world/Muslim world, why not pursue such a thing? What is there to lose exactly?

Where would the West be today if for instance the US and Western Europe were at odds? Or if Australia and New Zealand were at odds? Or Canada and the US?

Instead we, as the fools that we are in the Middle East, keep fighting proxy wars (local governments are to blame but also the West and ordinary people sadly, too,) for silly power games that matter nothing in the wider picture instead of joining hands for the sake of the region and for the sake of the overall development that has suffered from such conflicts for FAR too long and prevented the necessary economic, political, social, military progress which potential (all areas) is so big and hugely unfulfilled.

I see China as a bulwark of "sanity" in this regard, dare I say. As a friend, potentially a life-long friend, that could help that long-lost friend that faces trouble and needs a helping hand. Not because that friend is "Robin Hood" but because by stretching his hand out, he will be able to not only help that long lost friend return to sanity but also himself by virtue of gaining something from that help.

After all states are first and foremost looking after their own interests and that of their people (to various degrees and depending on the type of people in power) but if the interests of states collide, they tend to become friends if not at least close economic partners. And if they become close economic partners they tend to become close on other fields as well.

Just my two quick cents.

@ChineseTiger1986 @Shotgunner51 @long_ @Chinese-Dragon

 

[The SC]

Lockheed Martin Mission Systems and Training, Owego, New York, is being awarded an $117,152,307 modification to a previously awarded firm-fixed-price contract (N00019-11-C-0020) for the manufacture and delivery of 10 MH-60R Mission Avionics Systems and Common Cockpits for the government of Saudi Arabia under the Foreign Military Sales program.

Lockheed Martin Mission Systems and Training, Owego, New York, is being awarded $110,179,575 for firm-fixed-price delivery order 4012 against basic ordering agreement N00019-14-G-0019 for non-recurring engineering in support of the MH-60R aircraft. This order is for the development, test and qualification of the MH-60R Mission Avionics Systems and Common Cockpits configuration for production for the Government of Saudi Arabia under the Foreign Military Sales Program.

MH-60R

 

[c-dome1]

between countries is only interests china interested the gcc oil and there money to sell them there goodies

 

[The SC]

Anyway to make it clear, I don't dislike Western people or even the West as a cultural phenomenon but I do realize that they, like any other country/region/bloc are looking for their own interests first and foremost. The West has shown since the colonial era (that also impacted China and much of the non-Western world if not all of it) that they do not care about progress in the region, being direct neighbors of the Arab world or not. They were happy as long as the natural resources and minerals were offered to them and as long as there was somewhat of an stability (in order words unrest was/is fine as long as it does not impact Europe/the West directly) and no challenging regimes in power. Basically they wanted/want an obedient neighbor that they can easily influence. Basically much of the current "order" (not very successful overall) in the Muslim world is mostly the legacy of the colonial era.

On the other hand Chinese interests and that of the Arab world and wider Muslim world collide naturally if you ask me. Hence why I believe that such an relationship must be cultivated. Forget about the regimes in power in the Arab world currently( they won't last forever) but think about the people. Same story in China.

If increased economic, political, social, military etc. ties could lead to a close, respectful and mutually beneficial partnership between China and the Arab world/Muslim world, why not pursue such a thing? What is there to lose exactly?

Where would the West be today if for instance the US and Western Europe were at odds? Or if Australia and New Zealand were at odds? Or Canada and the US?

Instead we, as the fools that we are in the Middle East, keep fighting proxy wars (local governments are to blame but also the West and ordinary people sadly, too,) for silly power games that matter nothing in the wider picture instead of joining hands for the sake of the region and for the sake of the overall development that has suffered from such conflicts for FAR too long and prevented the necessary economic, political, social, military progress which potential (all areas) is so big and hugely unfulfilled.

I see China as a bulwark of "sanity" in this regard, dare I say. As a friend, potentially a life-long friend, that could help that long-lost friend that faces trouble and needs a helping hand. Not because that friend is "Robin Hood" but because by stretching his hand out, he will be able to not only help that long lost friend return to sanity but also himself by virtue of gaining something from that help.

After all states are first and foremost looking after their own interests and that of their people (to various degrees and depending on the type of people in power) but if the interests of states collide, they tend to become friends if not at least close economic partners. And if they become close economic partners they tend to become close on other fields as well.

Just my two quick cents.

@ChineseTiger1986 @Shotgunner51 @long_ @Chinese-Dragon

The western world took advantage of the good hearted, open, democratic, lawful and brilliant Muslim civilization in Europe for more than 800 years, they took every bit of knowledge and used it in a Machiavelli style to defeat their teachers, but not only that, they have improved the style to unprecedented heights in manipulating the human psyche, first through colonialism; by injecting an inferiority complex in the conquered populace and then trying to keep them there indefinitely, second through the appropriation of knowledge per se and its monopolization..They did this with China (one of the oldest civilizations) too, and since both the Muslims and the Chinese have shared knowledge between them for centuries, as well as trade (The famous silk road), they were targeted and weakened ( by own faults first and "helped" by the West afterwards)..In a nutshell, knowledge is power, and who ever holds it and improves on it and makes it practical will hold the most power, China understood this and is now on top of it, The Arab/Muslims fortunately or unfortunately not being a one nation, are just beginning to grasp this reality.._Like if they have never been there for almost a thousand years_, let's just say that the Western work on the Arab/Muslim psyche was worst than the opium effects on the Chinese human behaviour, productivity and health during western presence..
The recent awakening of the Arab/Muslim world and the actions being taken, makes us hopeful for a brighter future alongside our Chinese old and dependable friends.. there are also some Western countries that are willing to help through common interests, So we need to become strong again in all fields of life and share with our best friends while taking lessons from history..
The Silk Road is coming again with all it implies, not only for the benefit of China and the Muslim world, but potentially for most parts of the world..

 

[c-dome1]

The western world took advantage of the good hearted, open, democratic, lawful and brilliant Muslim civilization in Europe for more than 800 years, they took every bit of knowledge and used it in a Machiavelli style to defeat their teachers, but not only that, they have improved the style to unprecedented heights in manipulating the human psyche, first through colonialism; by injecting an inferiority complex in the conquered populace and then trying to keep them there indefinitely, second through the appropriation of knowledge per se and its monopolization..They did this with China (one of the oldest civilizations) too, and since both the Muslims and the Chinese have shared knowledge between them for centuries, as well as trade (The famous silk road), they were targeted and weakened ( by own faults first and "helped" by the West afterwards)..In a nutshell, knowledge is power, and who ever holds it and improves on it and makes it practical will hold the most power, China understood this and is now on top of it, The Arab/Muslims fortunately or unfortunately not being a one nation, are just beginning to grasp this reality.._Like if they have never been there for almost a thousand years_, let's just say that the Western work on the Arab/Muslim psyche was worst than the opium effects on the Chinese human behaviour, productivity and health during western presence..
The recent awakening of the Arab/Muslim world and the actions being taken, makes us hopeful for a bright future alongside our Chinese old and dependable friends.. there are also some Western countries that are willing to help through common interests, So we need to become strong again in all fields of life and share with our best friends while taking lessons from history..
The Silk Road is coming again with all what it implies, not only for the benefit of China and the Muslim world, but potentially for most parts of the world..

who cares what heppend 800 years ago?
its not stop the muslem and arab world to develop themself

 

[HannibalBarca]

who cares what heppend 800 years ago?

Who cares what happened 2000 years ago... then no promise land for you buddy, give it back to the palestinians...

 

[mike2000 is back]

Yes, the west is to blame for every developing/underdeveloped countries backwardness/infighting/dictators. Lol if it makes them feel better after saying this, then so be it.let it remain that way.

 

[c-dome1]

Who cares what happened 2000 years ago... then no promise land for you buddy, give it back to the palestinians...

lol who will take it from us ?
palastine can get west bank dont care the lsat is ours im waiting we stop give them jobs in israel one mounth they collapse

 

[HannibalBarca]

lol who will take it from us ?
palastine can get west bank dont care the lsat is ours im waiting we stop give them jobs in israel one mounth they collapse

Anyway have fun with your "country" Enjoy it , love it Whatever... Back on Topic Thx

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Yes, the west is to blame for every developing/underdeveloped countries backwardness/infighting/dictators. Lol if it makes them feel better after saying this, then so be it.let it remain that way.

Not to blame for everything. But it makes sense many people say things in this direction, after all did the west not interfere with the middle east heavily. Launched wars, organized coups, imposed sanctions. The west was doing this decades ago, and still to this day in Libya and Syria.

It's always the US with Europe following their FP.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Not to blame for everything. But it makes sense many people say things in this direction, after all did the west not interfere with the middle east heavily. Launched wars, organized coups, imposed sanctions. The west was doing this decades ago, and still to this day in Libya and Syria.

It's always the US with Europe following their FP.

West has a foot in it Yes. but do not forget that our gov wasn't good either... till this day watch...
Those playing with their proxies, supporting butchers, getting paid for nothing, corruption, thief, murders... and limited basics rights... . So we didn't wait for the west to come to make it hell, muslims among themselfes already done the job

 

[raptor22]

Congrats ..