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(Reuters) - Saudi Arabia has offered Russia economic incentives including a major arms deal and a pledge not to challenge Russian gas sales if Moscow scales back support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Middle East sources and Western diplomats said on Wednesday.

The proposed deal between two of the leading power brokers in Syria's devastating civil war was set out by Saudi intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow last week, they said.

Russia has supported Assad with arms and diplomatic cover throughout the war and any change in Moscow's stance would remove a major obstacle to action on Syria by the United Nations Security Council.

Syrian opposition sources close to Saudi Arabia said Prince Bandar offered to buy up to $15 billion of Russian weapons as well as ensuring that Gulf gas would not threaten Russia's position as a main gas supplier to Europe.

In return, Saudi Arabia wanted Moscow to ease its strong support of Assad and agree not to block any future Security Council Resolution on Syria, they said.

A Gulf source familiar with the matter confirmed that Prince Bandar offered to buy large quantities of arms from Russia, but that no cash amount was specified in the talks.

One Lebanese politician close to Saudi Arabia said the meeting between Bandar and Putin lasted four hours. "The Saudis were elated about the outcome of the meeting," said the source, without elaborating.

Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, could not immediately be reached on Wednesday for comment about the meeting. A Saudi Foreign Ministry official was also not immediately available to respond.

Putin's initial response to Bandar's offer was inconclusive, diplomats say. One Western diplomat in the Middle East said the Russian leader was unlikely to trade Moscow's recent high profile in the region for an arms deal, however substantial.

He said Russian officials also appeared skeptical that Saudi Arabia had a clear plan for stability in Syria if Assad fell.

CHEMICAL WEAPONS

However, in a possible sign of greater flexibility by Moscow, other diplomats said that in the run-up to the meeting Russia put pressure on Assad to allow in a U.N. mission to investigate the suspected use of chemical weapons.

The U.N. team is expected to visit Syria next week.

"This was one of those unannounced meetings that could prove much more important than the public diplomatic efforts being made on Syria," one diplomat said.

A senior Syrian opposition figure said there had been a "build-up of Russian-Saudi contacts prior to the meeting".

"Bandar sought to allay two main Russian fears: that Islamist extremists will replace Assad, and that Syria would become a conduit for Gulf, mainly Qatari, gas at the expense of Russia," he said. "Bandar offered to intensify energy, military and economic cooperation with Moscow."

Saudi Arabia and other Sunni Muslim powers have been strong supporters of the mainly Sunni rebels battling Assad, from Syria's minority Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam. The rebels have been joined by foreign Sunni jihadis.

Assad has enjoyed military support from Iran and fighters from Hezbollah and Iraqi Shi'ites.

Russia has maintained military sales to Syria throughout the two year conflict in which 100,000 people have been killed, and helped block three U.N. draft resolutions criticizing Assad's crackdown on the mainly peaceful protests against him in 2011.

The Security Council has been considering a possible resolution on aid for Syria for several months and a shift in position by Moscow could alleviate this.

Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Moscow-based defense think tank CAST, said he had no direct knowledge of the offer, but he would not be surprised if a contract to supply Saudi Arabia with 150 Russian T-90 tanks were revived.

"There was an order of T-90s that was stopped for mysterious reasons, and if this is a resurrection of that order then we could suspect that the Saudis want something in return and that something could be linked to Syria," said Pukhov, who is close to Russia's Defense Ministry.

"If the Saudis want Moscow to outright drop Assad, they will refuse the deal, but they may have a more nuanced position, which they could possibly agree to."

Russia and Saudi Arabia penned an arms contract in 2008 for 150 T-90s as well as more than 100 Mi-17 and Mi-35 attack helicopters as well as BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles, but the contract has stalled for years.

Russian newspaper Kommersant reported at the time that the contract was concluded to persuade Moscow to curtail its ties with Iran, though the Kremlin denied that report.

-T-90, Mi-17, Mi-35, and BMP-3, good weapons for the KSA?

-If this deal were to go through, would this mean the end of the movement to purchase Altays and T-129s from Turkey?

@Yzd Khalifa
 
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-T-90, Mi-17, Mi-35, and BMP-3, good weapons for the KSA?

-If this deal were to go through, would this mean the end of the movement to purchase Altays and T-129s from Turkey?

@Yzd Khalifa

Two years ago, KSA tried to lure the Russians by proposing to buy S-300s, S-400s, and MiG-35s in exchange for giving up supporting Assad, the Qataris did something similar BTW, but it don't work out before and won't work any further. So no, the Altay is ours :devil:

Maybe Reuters is trolling us, KSA will never negotiate with the Russians over the gas pipeline.
 
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@Yzd Khalifa

One would say that it is a smart move , if true . Money trumps all .
 
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@Yzd Khalifa

One would say that it is a smart move , if true . Money trumps all .

We are willing to do whatever it takes to prevent Assad's death squads and Iran's from killing children like Hamzah Al-Khatib :)

The Russians will lose everything for their hostile act toward KSA and her allies mainly Turkey.
 
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We are willing to do whatever it takes to prevent Assad's death squads and Iran's from killing children like Hamzah Al-Khatib :)

The Russians will lose everything for their hostile act toward KSA and her allies mainly Turkey.
Oh come on.we are just regular people.why acting like a british diplomat?:undecided:
 
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Oh come on.we are just regular people.why acting like a british diplomat?:undecided:

A British diplomat? :lol: the Brits were so soft on you the Mullahs' regime once upon time :lol:

I'm talking about armed militias, not decent human beings like yourself, Sir.
 
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Completely false news, I believe. The Russians and the Putin mafia can do what they want but we won't buy any of their crap. Russia has no allies left after the Child-Murderer is removed in Syria. They will come and beg the Arab world for influence especially KSA. Why would they otherwise met with our officials if they had no interest?

Russia could form a cooperation with the 350-400 million strong and giant Arab world which has immense human potential, highest amount of natural resources, very important strategical location, several thousands kilometers of land and sea borders access to the Atlantic, Mediterranean Sea, Arabian Sea, Indian Ocean, Gulf, Red Sea etc.

But they would rather support their Child-Murderer darling in Syria just because USA and Nato have not picked his side.:laughcry:

They still live in a world where they think that they have the edge other the West/NATO (which they never had anyway) and they still think that the Cold War is at its highest.

China is 1000 times more wiser than Russia and already ahead of them and we have good relations with them.

:china:
 
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@al-Hasani

Practically, the Russians are going to lose everything related to the Arab World, except arm sales to Algeria, while China is taking a different path and approach regarding the Syrian crisis, which means that China won't be harmed in any way, but the Russians are going to pay for their stand with a ruthless guy like Assad.
 
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A British diplomat? :lol: the Brits were so soft on you the Mullahs' regime once upon time :lol:

I'm talking about armed militias, not decent human beings like yourself, Sir.
British diplomats are so badass in scoring their national objectives via their long tongues.it is how you remind me those guys.:D
 
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British diplomats are so badass in scoring their national objectives via their long tongues.it is how you remind me that guys.:D

Oh you mean the use of diplomatic language? Well, all countries DO use such style and code of conducts :D
 
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@al-Hasani

Practically, the Russians are going to lose everything related to the Arab World, except arm sales to Algeria, while China is taking a different path and approach regarding the Syrian crisis, which means that China won't be harmed in any way, but the Russians are going to pay for their stand with a ruthless guy like Assad.

Well in a perfect world we would all live in peace and harmony (do I sound like a Hippie if so then I apologize) but what is certain is that Russia will always stand on the opposite side of USA/NATO. So let us say if there would be a conflict in Ukraine like in the past (the political revolution they had 8-10 years ago) then Russia supported the communist dictator while the West and EU supported Viktor Yushchenko.

The West/NATO/USA/EU man: Viktor Yushchenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Russia's man: Viktor Yanukovych - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So Syria is merely a conflict in the global ideological war/fight for supremacy and influence. Russia still regards itself as a world superpower that can meddle and want to meddle wherever possible for it's own political, economic, military and strategic interests.

Russia does not like to see one Arab country falling in the "hands of the West/Nato/EU (in their world view). They also have that naval base in Tartus and they are long-time ally with the Arab Ba'athi nationalists in Syria. They remained faithful to Russia while Saddam was switching sides as he pleased and when it suited him.

It's all a political game and there is no reason to use billions to buy Russian weapons when we can trade with USA/EU who make much better weapons overall. We can try to influence Russia otherwise or try to act like an bridge.

Just play the two horses at once but neither of the two superpowers would allow us to do it.

Hence why we should try to get even better relations with China.
 
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@al-Hasani
Well in a perfect world we would all live in peace and harmony (do I sound like a Hippie if so then I apologize) but what is certain is that Russia will always stand on the opposite side of USA/NATO. So let us say if there would be a conflict in Ukraine like in the past (the political revolution they had 8-10 years ago) then Russia supported the communist dictator while the West and EU supported Viktor Yushchenko.

I don't think it is NATO vs Russia this time, you may apply this logic elsewhere, but this is OUR OWN ISSUE. The west didn't do a damn thing to help the Syrians.
 
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Well said,if the west wanted the war would be over by now(Libya).
The west doesnt care for just human life only for oil/gas.

Perhaps that's why the world is turning a blind eye to Assda's violation of international laws, including the shelling of innocent Turkish families, and the terror attack on a peace-loving villagers. Clearly, it isn't their fight, it is ours including Jordan and Turkey of whom they feel threatened 24/7 that Assad may use his chemical weapons on their nations.

Tell me, how many western countries which donated money for the Syrian refugees in Jordan or Turkey? We can play the hypocrisy game all day long but it won't divert us from the reality, isn't that true?
 
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-T-90, Mi-17, Mi-35, and BMP-3, good weapons for the KSA?

-If this deal were to go through, would this mean the end of the movement to purchase Altays and T-129s from Turkey?

@Yzd Khalifa

Russia is a reliable ally. i don't think it will stop providing weapons.
 
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