Saudi Arabia Follows Up Operational Plans to Receive 83,800 Iranian Pilgrims

[Saif al-Arab]

Over 80,000 Iranian pilgrims to perform Haj: Saudi Arabia

IANS | Riyadh July 20, 2017 Last Updated at 17:16 IST

Saudi Arabia has announced that 83,828 Iranian pilgrims will perform Haj this season after Iran boycotted the religious ritual last year.

Minister of Haj, Omra Dr Mohammed Benton, made the announcement when inspecting the headquarters of Haj contractors of Iranian pilgrims, Xinhua news agency cited Okaz local news as saying on Thursday.


The visit is part of a series of similar visits to other contractors to ensure the best services for foreign pilgrims. In March, Saudi Arabia announced the finalisation of the required steps for the participation of Iranian pilgrims in the upcoming Haj season.

Iran boycotted the last Haj season over rifts between the two countries mainly due to the death of Iranian pilgrims in a stampede in Mina area during 2015 Haj.

Saudi Arabia had cut ties with Iran early in 2016 and banned its citizens from travelling there. The country clarified that cutting relations covered commercial ties while Iranian pilgrims would always be welcome in Saudi Arabia.

--IANS

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[YeBeWarned]

Its good, the heat between two Countries is decreasing .

 

[Śakra]

Saudia is very generous. I wonder how many Saudis are allowed to visit the holy sites of Shia in iran?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Saudia is very generous. I wonder how many Saudis are allowed to visit the holy sites of Shia in iran?

None of those sites are comparable to Makkah, Madinah, Al-Quds or even considered as "holy" by 90% of all Muslims. They are revered by Shia Twlevers because they contain tombs of family members of Prophet Muhammad (saws). Hashemites. Never seen those tombs and mosques being described as holy in the Holy Qur'an (no mention of them for obvious reasons) or the Sunnah of the Prophet (saws).

I don't know anything about that but I do recall an unfortunate accident where a few Shia Saudi Arabian children were poisoned in an Iranian hotel in Mashhad (Arabic name and founded by Arabs).

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-saudi-poison-idUSKBN0OP1V620150609

BTW, are some of the many shrines of historical Arab and non-Arab figures, considered as "saints" by Sufis, in India not revered similarly by Indian Muslims?

What about some of the earliest mosques built outside of Arabia and the Arab world in India?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheraman_Juma_Mosque



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palaiya_Jumma_Palli

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_mosques

Did you know that 2 of the earliest mosques were built in India? Not a coincidence.

Very nice.

BTW I once read that there was a minority of Hindus in ancient Arabia. Probably due to ancient trade ties with India and South Asia (5000 BC).

Still to this day the largest Hindu diaspora outside of South Asia is found in Arabia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Arab_states

Its good, the heat between two Countries is decreasing .

Improvement of relations would be a good thing for both parties and the region. Let us see what the future will bring. Not overly optimistic as long as those "Arab" Mullah's are in power.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Are these ones going to be crushed, shot and molested too?

 

[YeBeWarned]

Improvement of relations would be a good thing for both parties and the region. Let us see what the future will bring. Not overly optimistic as long as those "Arab" Mullah's are in power.

we all can only hope for the best , and in this fight between Iran and KSA, only common Civilian suffer.

 

[El Sidd]

Why is Hajj being politicised or matter of security threat?

You Mulzim lots are pretty desperate to cling to power.

Anyone going for hajj has no nationality. Only requirement is being a Muslim.

Or did I miss something?

 

[Aramagedon]

None of those sites are comparable to Makkah, Madinah, Al-Quds or even considered as "holy" by 90% of all Muslims. They are revered by Shia Twlevers because they contain tombs of family members of Prophet Muhammad (saws). Hashemites. Never seen those tombs and mosques being described as holy in the Holy Qur'an (no mention of them for obvious reasons) or the Sunnah of the Prophet (saws).

I don't know anything about that but I do recall an unfortunate accident where a few Shia Saudi Arabian children were poisoned in an Iranian hotel in Mashhad (Arabic name and founded by Arabs).

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-saudi-poison-idUSKBN0OP1V620150609

BTW, are some of the many shrines of historical Arab and non-Arab figures, considered as "saints" by Sufis, in India not revered similarly by Indian Muslims?

What about some of the earliest mosques built outside of Arabia and the Arab world in India?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheraman_Juma_Mosque



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palaiya_Jumma_Palli

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_mosques

Did you know that 2 of the earliest mosques were built in India? Not a coincidence.

Very nice.

BTW I once read that there was a minority of Hindus in ancient Arabia. Probably due to ancient trade ties with India and South Asia (5000 BC).

Still to this day the largest Hindu diaspora outside of South Asia is found in Arabia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Arab_states



Improvement of relations would be a good thing for both parties and the region. Let us see what the future will bring. Not overly optimistic as long as those "Arab" Mullah's are in power.

Well Mr historyman u are even jealous about shrines of Ahlebayt.

" Quran Sura al-kahf ayat 21 : Thus did We make their case known to the people, that they might know that the promise of Allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the Hour of Judgment. Behold, they dispute among themselves as to their affair. (Some) said, "Construct a mosque over them": Their Lord knows best about them: those who prevailed over their affair said, "Let us surely build a place of worship over them."

There are many hadiths from prophet Muhammad (S) and 12 Shia imams (A) about visiting shrines of Ahlebayt shrines is very grateful. Your forefathers after all martyred Ahlebayt and seized Imamt and Vilayat from 11 imams so it doesn't matter what you wahhabis on earth do or think.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Well Mr historyman u are even jealous about shrines of Ahlebayt.

" Quran Sura al-kahf ayat 21 : Thus did We make their case known to the people, that they might know that the promise of Allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the Hour of Judgment. Behold, they dispute among themselves as to their affair. (Some) said, "Construct a building over them": Their Lord knows best about them: those who prevailed over their affair said, "Let us surely build a place of worship over them."

There are many hadiths from prophet Muhammad (S) and 12 Shia imams (A) that visiting shrines of Ahlebayt have very great reward from Allah. You wahhabis are very astray so it does not matter what you think and what you do.

Why should I be envious when there are many more in KSA, Arabia as a whole and the Arab world? You have what, a few in Qom and Mashhad. Both cities founded by Arabs with Arabic-originated names. BTW why should I envy tombs and mosques originally built by Arabs for Arabs? Care to answer me this question?

It says noting about tombs or praying to them.

BTW, there is nothing called "Wahhabi". Nobody calls himself that. You are referring to Sunni Hanbalis. The Hanbali maddhab is 1 of the 4 traditional and recognized Sunni madahib.

Moreover only 30% of KSA's population is Hanbali. Mainly in Najd. Nothing wrong with Hanbalis. Great people.

I am a Sunni Shafi'i but first and foremost I am a Muslim.

 

[Aramagedon]

Why should I be envious when there are many more in KSA, Arabia as a whole and the Arab world? You have what, a few in Qom and Mashhad. Both cities founded by Arabs with Arabic-originated names. BTW why should I envy tombs and mosques originally built by Arabs for Arabs? Care to answer me this question?

It says noting about tombs or praying to them.

BTW, there is nothing called "Wahhabi". Nobody calls himself that. You are referring to Sunni Hanbalis. The Hanbali maddhab is 1 of the 4 traditional and recognized Sunni madahib.

Moreover only 30% of KSA's population is Hanbali. Mainly in Najd. Nothing wrong with Hanbalis. Great people.

I am a Sunni Shafi'i but first and foremost I am a Muslim.

Arab arab arab...

Islam is religion for all humans. All humans are servant of God.

Prophet Muhammad (S) said: An Arab is not superior than an Ajam and an Ajam is not superior than an Arab. A white is not superior than a black and a black is not superior than a white.

Praying to them is wrong but visiting cemetery of prophet Muhammad (S) and his family is one best things that a real Muslim can do. Mecca is very holy because it's rebuilt by prophet Ibrahim (A) and his son. Ahlebayt shrines are also holy because children of prophet Ibrahim (A) and prophet Muhammad (S) are buried there. Praying in those places is 70,000 more worthy than praying in general places.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Arab arab arab...

Islam is religion for all humans. All humans are servant of God.

Prophet Muhammad (S) said: An Arab is not superior than an Ajam and an Ajam is not superior than an Arab. A white is not superior than a black and a black is not superior than a white.

You are talking about me being envious about mosques and tombs built by my ancestors for my ancestors in cities founded by my ancestors. Are you not able to understand how silly that sounds?

BTW, I am happy that those sites are the most revered sites by Iranians. This is a testament to a lot of things. BTW what we are discussing does not have anything to do with the topic of discussion.

BTW you are talking about Iran all the time in Arab threads. Don't pretend that you are not an nationalist.

And I created this thread for information and to destroy false news and false claims.

BTW who told you that I would not want to visit those shrines? I would gladly do that without a trouble but I would not be praying to the tombs but pay my respects and pray to Allah (swt) there. BTW they appear beautiful.

 

[Aramagedon]

You are talking about me being envious about mosques and tombs built by my ancestors for my ancestors in cities founded by my ancestors. Are you not able to understand how silly that sounds?

BTW, I am happy that those sites are the most revered sites by Iranians. This is a testament to a lot of things. BTW what we are discussing does not have anything to do with the topic of discussion.

BTW you are talking about Iran all the time in Arab threads. Don't pretend that you are not an nationalist.

And I created this thread for information and to destroy false news and false claims.

Your ancestors?

Your ancestors martyred Ahlebayt (A). Please separate holy prophet Muhammad (S) and his family (A) (14 infallibles) from everything because they are not comparable/connected to humans.

Quran: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things. [33:40]

Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying. [33:33]

Meanwhile I can easily prove prophet Ibrahim (A) [grandfather of prophet Muhammad (S)] born at south of Iran and possibly was an Iranian.

Google translate: www.cloob.com/c/aryans.reunion/120155791

It becomes a way more true if we consider Ibrahim, Tarokh (name of prophet Ibrahim's father) and Azar (name of prophet Ibrahim's uncle) are pure Persian names that still use in Iran!

Even ibn tayyamieh founder of wahhabism say prophet Ibrahim (A) was not a Kurd at all but possibly a Persian.

DNA tests show bani israel are way closer to Persians rather than Saudis (children of Yemenis).

Anyway I don't care about Race at all. This comment is just for telling u race is not important at all. Even prophet Ibrahim (A) born at south of Iran and had Persian names.

Eraq = Eraanak = small Eran

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Your Arabian ancestors?

Your forefathers martyred Ahlebayt. Please put prophet Muhammad (S) and his family (14 infallibles) separated from everything l because they are not connected/comparable to any of humans.

Quran: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things. [33:40]

Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying. [33:33]

Meanwhile I can easily prove prophet Ibrahim (A) [grandfather of prophet Muhammad (S)] born at south of Iran and possibly was an Iranian.

Google translate: www.cloob.com/c/aryans.reunion/120155791

It becomes a way more true if we consider Ibrahim, Tarokh (name of prophet Ibrahim's father) and Azar (name of prophet Ibrahim's uncle) are Persian names. Prophet Muhammad (S) in some hadiths say: we Ahlebayt and Iranians are cousins.

Even ibn tayyamieh one of founders of wahhabism say prophet Ibrahim was not a Kurd at all but possibly a Persian.

DNA tests show bani israel are way closer to Persians rather than Saudis (children of Yemenis).

Anyway I don't care about Race at all. This comment is just for telling u race is not important, Even prophet Ibrahim (A) born at south of Iran/Iraq.

Eraq = Eraanak = small Eran

Those were disputes between family (Quraysh). Not all died in those disputes. Only a small minority overall. This was very common in those times (1400 years ago). It was even very common until recently in most of the world. Fights for power kill people to this very day all across the world whenever unrest occurs.

No, Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was born in Southern Iraq (Ur - ancient Semitic town) close to the modern-day Saudi Arabian border as per traditions and was a Semite as is his name. This is undisputed. Prophet Ibrahim (as) is the ancestors of most Arabs (Adnanites).

No such ahadit exist.

Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was a Semite from Ur (modern-day Southern Iraq). Everyone knows this.

Azar is a Semitic name derived from Syriac (Semitic) Athar.

Muslims maintain that Abraham's father was Aazar (Arabic: آزر‎, translit. Āzar‎),[8][9] which could be derived from the Syriac Athar,[10]who is known in the Hebrew Bible as Terah. Alahazrat.net maintains that Azar was not literally his father, but his paternal uncle.[11]Commentators and scholars believed that Abraham himself had many children, but Ismail (Ishmael) and Ishaq (Isaac) were the only two who became prophets. Abraham's two wives are believed to have been Sarah and Hājar, the latter of whom was originally Sarah's handmaiden.[12] Abraham's nephew is said to have been the messenger Lut (Lot), who was one of the other people who migrated with Abraham out of their community. Abraham himself is said to have been a descendant of Nuh through his son Shem.[13]

All his sons have Semitic names too.

Silly discussion really.

Kindly refrain from claiming our ancestors and historical figures as being Iranian.

Maybe your Kurosh was an Arab or Semite using that nonsense theory that has not even been written about anywhere?

 

[Aramagedon]

Those were disputes between family (Quraysh). Not all died in those disputes. Only a small minority overall. This was very common in those times (1400 years ago). It was even very common until recently in most of the world. Fights for power kill people to this very day all across the world whenever unrest occurs.

No, Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was born in Southern Iraq (Ur - ancient Semitic town) close to the modern-day Saudi Arabian border as per traditions and was a Semite as is his name. This is undisputed. Prophet Ibrahim (as) is the ancestors of most Arabs (Adnanites).

No such ahadit exist.

Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was a Semite from Ur (modern-day Southern Iraq). Everyone knows this.

Azar is a Semitic name derived from Syriac (Semitic) Athar.

Muslims maintain that Abraham's father was Aazar (Arabic: آزر‎, translit. Āzar‎),[8][9] which could be derived from the Syriac Athar,[10]who is known in the Hebrew Bible as Terah. Alahazrat.net maintains that Azar was not literally his father, but his paternal uncle.[11]Commentators and scholars believed that Abraham himself had many children, but Ismail (Ishmael) and Ishaq (Isaac) were the only two who became prophets. Abraham's two wives are believed to have been Sarah and Hājar, the latter of whom was originally Sarah's handmaiden.[12] Abraham's nephew is said to have been the messenger Lut (Lot), who was one of the other people who migrated with Abraham out of their community. Abraham himself is said to have been a descendant of Nuh through his son Shem.[13]

All his sons have Semitic names too.

Silly discussion really.

Kindly refrain from claiming our ancestors and historical figures as being Iranian.

Maybe your Kurosh was an Arab or Semite using that nonsense theory that has not even been written about anywhere?

Yeah everyone on earth is either a Saudi semite or bedouin Arab..... ! Even Chinese are Arab!

Ur is just 60 miles further than today's Iran border:

Ancient Iran/Iraq has zero connection with Arabs.

Iraqis, Syrians, Egyptians become Arabized after Islamic invasion.

 

[veg]

Although Muslims claim that Hajara and Ismael were brought by Ibrahim in Mecca, but there exist almost no history of Mecca/Madina prior to Islam.

Bible contradicts Muslim claim about Mecca. According to Bible Hajar and Ismael never came to Mecca, but they were in the deserts of Sinai.

Actually, there is absolutely no mention of Mecca/Madina in the whole Biblical history.

All the prophets came to the areas of Iraq, Syria and Egypt.