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‘Saudi Arabia fears democracy in Iraq’

Interview with Zayd al-Isa

Zayd al-Isa, a London-based Middle East expert, has joined Press TV’s Top 5 to share his thoughts on the recent wave of terrorist attacks in Iraq.


What follows is a rough transcription of the interview.

Press TV: Zayd al-Isa I hate to say that it is another day, another death but we are looking at, in the thousands now, people being killed in Iraq and of course many analysts have concluded that one of the major contributors has been Saudi Arabia.

Tell us what gains does Saudi Arabia see in Iraq by creating this instability? If you agree that they are in a major way, contributing to this.

Isa: Well, since 2003 and the toppling of the Saddam’s dictatorship, Saudi Arabia has been vehemently opposed, and fiercely against that democratic change in Iraq.

It perceives it as a major existential threat to its tyrannical dictatorship which is considered to be the bastion of dictatorship in the region and in the Arab world.

Saudi Arabia has sought, since day one, to destabilize, discredit, derail; the fledgling democracy in Iraq with the ultimate goal of dismantling the whole entire democratic process in Iraq.

Now there has been a dramatic surge in violence in Iraq and basically, mainly, targeting the overwhelming majority of the people in Iraq, that is the Shia, in order to start off and spark a civil war in Iraq and the reason for this dramatic surge has been all the torrent of funding, arming, logistical support and even going to the unprecedented move of paying salaries to all the Wahhabi, Salafi terrorists converging on Syria.

All that money and arming that went to Syria has financed, according to the New York Times, the most radical and the most extremist element in the Syrian insurgency and that is the Jibhat al-Nusrah and Abubakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq has confirmed that Jibhat al-Nusrah is nothing but merely an extension of al-Qaeda in Iraq and the leader, Abu Mohammad al-Jawlani, is simply a foot soldier of al-Qaeda and he acknowledged that all those resources have been halved and shared between the two terrorist organizations.

That proves beyond the shadow of doubt that all this funding from Saudi Arabia has gone to revive and reinvigorate al-Qaeda in Iraq.

The other reason is that Saudi Arabia desperately needs to prove to its people that it is engaged in confronting and combating an existential threat coming from the Shia and namely from the Islamic Republic of Iran because its people have discovered that this regime... overarching goal of the Saudi regime is actually to hold at bay the demands of people for democratic change and also turn the tide against the people clamoring for political reform.

So it needs to demonstrate to them, particularly after its deceitful, patently deceitful, myth has been exposed by its people that it is the guardian and defender of Sunni Islam because the Sunni regime thrown its weight, thrown its support behind all the tyrannical [governments] and dictatorships in Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen and we have seen the people protesting in those countries, demanding an end to the Saudi Meddling and interference in their countries’ [affairs] and that is why we see the Saudis actively and vigorously engaged in trying to start off a sectarian war, not just in Iraq but also in Syria and in Lebanon in order to be seen by its people, engaged in fighting a threat by the Shias, so that it makes it extremely hard for those people who are daring to defy it in Saudi Arabia to stand up [to] the regime and we have seen the Saudis coming up with various accusations that they are dismantling rings and networks of spies in Saudi Arabia, in order to backup their story.

We have seen also, Saudi Arabia widening its strategy after spectacular failure in concentrating on Syria trying to topple the Syrian regime, to also, encompass and involve Iraq to destabilize Iraq, believing that Iraq is the backbone or is offering support to the Syrian regime and we have seen, also, the Saudis deeply worried because of the international community adopting a diplomatic approach in Syria and refusing, adamantly refusing to adopt the Saudi strive to wage war against Syria and also wage war against Iran.

The Saudis are infuriated by the negotiations, taking place now, to resolve the Iranian nuclear issue. They want the West, particularly the United States to use and adopt a military approach to deal with Iran.

PressTV - ‘Saudi Arabia fears democracy in Iraq’
 
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PISSTV report?:lol:

Like any country in the region is a democracy. And the current Iraq is not a role model by any means. Especially not politically. It is a chaos and the political system is based on sectarianism.

KSA borders much more stable and "democratic" countries in Oman, Jordan, UAE and Kuwait to just make some examples. And another republic in Yemen.

I find it funny that our well-known Shia fanatic (lapdog of Mullahistan and HizbAlShaitan apologist) is talking about democracy.

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And you should not worry about KSA. We don't need the advice of your tiny Shia sect nor people commenting on issues that they do not know anything about. Nor are we in favor of "Western democracy". When will people understand that? Let other cultureless people adopt foreign ideologies instead of sticking to their own culture, religion etc.

And even so there are reforms in KSA each month more or less and people are mostly happy and satisfied with their lives. The people will always judge and they are the best judge. If the House of Saud were as tyrannical and horrible etc. then they would be gone by now. Maybe they will in 20-30 years time but right now they are mostly doing a good job for the country. As long as they do that people have no reason to revolt or want drastic changes. Goes for all regimes and countries.

About time you learn that simple thing.

@Arabian Legend, @Yzd Khalifa, @BLACKEAGLE, @JUBA, @Aslan etc.
 
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I saw piss tv, and I think i am going to chill. I use to hear that they were pathetic, but u know sometimes people hate others. Say stuff. But then just last week these pathetic losers, took a story about Pakistan and twisted it to their sick mind, to cater to their sick audience. So I realized they are full of it, so pathetic, heck they make our eastern neighbors look like angels. LOL. No need to take the toilet paper I mean piss tv seriously at all.
 
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This article doesnt really make any sense.
KSA has successfully managed to curb all the protests against the present autocratic regime.And the countries around it are all autocratic.So i hardly see Iraq as a threat to KSA.
There's no country around KSA which can be projected as an ideal democratic country.Andthe bigger democratic countries around the world are having some serious governing issues.
May be people would want more freedom like in UAE..or Qatar but not democracy.
 
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This article doesnt really make any sense.
KSA has successfully managed to curb all the protests against the present autocratic regime.And the countries around it are all autocratic.So i hardly see Iraq as a threat to KSA.
There's no country around KSA which can be projected as an ideal democratic country.Andthe bigger democratic countries around the world are having some serious governing issues.
May be people would want more freedom like in UAE..or Qatar but not democracy.

"All the protests?".
LOL, no disrespect but you make it sound like the whole country was engaged in some kind of Syria uprising.

The fact is that only a bunch of Mullahistan paid terrorists in the city of Qatif had a little revolt. No more than a few thousands. Many of whom have now been dealt with or are behind bars including their Magician Mullah (Nimr al-Nimr) who is soon going to get his head chopped off for leading a terrorist underground organization that killed civilians and 1 policeman and harassed the locals of Qatif.

And no, Kuwait, Oman, Jordan and UAE are not "autocratic regimes". They are not Western democracies but neither are they dictatorships like the ones you see in Iran, Belarus, North Korea (ironically all friends of the first country). Hence why you have so many people from across the world living there freely. Including yourself apparently.

The bottom question is that most people in the Middle East and even outside of the West are not interested in implementing a exact copy of the "Western democracy" package. Democracy differs from people, country etc. The democracy in Romania for example is not the same as the one in England or Denmark. Nor is the "democracy" in Russia comparable to that seen in France.

By far the majority of the worlds countries are not "Western democracies" but either something in between.

It all depends on the culture of the country and what the citizens want and demand.

Any ruler always need to improve his country and livelihood of his people in order not to face criticism and pressure. If he/she does not then the ruler is bound to face the consequences on the long run which is often revolt.
 
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"All the protests?".
LOL, no disrespect but you make it sound like the whole country was engaged in some kind Syria uprising.
Well i didnt make it sound like Syria...its your comprehension issue.



al-Hasani said:
And no, Kuwait, Oman, Jordan and UAE are not "autocratic regimes". They are not Western democracies but neither are they dictatorships like the ones you see in Iran, Belarus, North Korea (ironically all friends of the first country). Hence why you have so many people from across the world living there freely. Including yourself apparently.
So in which list are those countries bracketed may I know???
And autocracy/ democracy doesnt have anything to do with my living in UAE.
BTW you too dont live in KSA.


al-Hasani said:
It all depends on the culture of the country and what the citizens want and demand.
I am sure.....
Theres so much that gets axed in KSA media that citizens resort to FB.But then there too they cant post much because soon they'll be jailed for raising their voices.


And i am still wondering why would somebody pick on my harmless post with such harsh words.....your derisiveness is what i don't understand.
 
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It was the wahabits fake muslims and zionists turks who helped the JEW USA invade Iraq.

They invaded Iraq from NATO turkeys, Jordania, Kuwait & Saudi Arabia.

Salafists anti-arabs sect are again invading Syria from NATO turkeys, jordania, lebanon, like against Irak.

Iraq-War-Map.png
 
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Which harsh words are you talking about? Read my post again. Everything is written there in a calm manner.

Your "all the protests" claim is limited to one city and one radical clerics few supporters. We know which country's system he looks up to.

Well if you claim that UAE is a autocratic state (which is not truth and a pathetic claim) then what are you doing in a autocratic state? In a real autocratic state you would not be able to sit on the internet and write negative things about your host country and all the other rights you have in UAE.

Eh, try take a look at Okaz, Arab News, Saudi Gazette etc. and come back to me and tell me that there is no criticism and negative news. Every day there is. Now make the same comparison to PISSTV that was used as a source in this thread.

It was the wahabits fake muslims and zionists turks who helped the JEW USA invade Iraq.

They invaded Iraq from NATO turkeys, Jordania, Kuwait & Saudi Arabia.

Salafists anti-arabs sect are again invading Syria from NATO turkeys, jordania, lebanon, like against Irak.

Iraq-War-Map.png

Go away Vietnamese troll. You don't have anything to do with Arab or Muslim issues. You are a simple ignorant troll and a Mullahistan lapdog and supporter of Child-Murderers such as Al-Asshead.

KSA was the main opponent of the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and did not give up land for an American invasion from KSA. Besides your masters in Mullahistan benefited most from that war. Now Iraq is ruled by Shia Islamists that are allies with Iran. Only Arab country ruled by Shia Islamists and the only second in the world after Iran.
 
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‘Saudi Arabia fears democracy in Iraq’

Interview with Zayd al-Isa

Zayd al-Isa, a London-based Middle East expert, has joined Press TV’s Top 5 to share his thoughts on the recent wave of terrorist attacks in Iraq.


What follows is a rough transcription of the interview.

Press TV: Zayd al-Isa I hate to say that it is another day, another death but we are looking at, in the thousands now, people being killed in Iraq and of course many analysts have concluded that one of the major contributors has been Saudi Arabia.

Tell us what gains does Saudi Arabia see in Iraq by creating this instability? If you agree that they are in a major way, contributing to this.

Isa: Well, since 2003 and the toppling of the Saddam’s dictatorship, Saudi Arabia has been vehemently opposed, and fiercely against that democratic change in Iraq.

It perceives it as a major existential threat to its tyrannical dictatorship which is considered to be the bastion of dictatorship in the region and in the Arab world.

Saudi Arabia has sought, since day one, to destabilize, discredit, derail; the fledgling democracy in Iraq with the ultimate goal of dismantling the whole entire democratic process in Iraq.

Now there has been a dramatic surge in violence in Iraq and basically, mainly, targeting the overwhelming majority of the people in Iraq, that is the Shia, in order to start off and spark a civil war in Iraq and the reason for this dramatic surge has been all the torrent of funding, arming, logistical support and even going to the unprecedented move of paying salaries to all the Wahhabi, Salafi terrorists converging on Syria.

All that money and arming that went to Syria has financed, according to the New York Times, the most radical and the most extremist element in the Syrian insurgency and that is the Jibhat al-Nusrah and Abubakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq has confirmed that Jibhat al-Nusrah is nothing but merely an extension of al-Qaeda in Iraq and the leader, Abu Mohammad al-Jawlani, is simply a foot soldier of al-Qaeda and he acknowledged that all those resources have been halved and shared between the two terrorist organizations.

That proves beyond the shadow of doubt that all this funding from Saudi Arabia has gone to revive and reinvigorate al-Qaeda in Iraq.

The other reason is that Saudi Arabia desperately needs to prove to its people that it is engaged in confronting and combating an existential threat coming from the Shia and namely from the Islamic Republic of Iran because its people have discovered that this regime... overarching goal of the Saudi regime is actually to hold at bay the demands of people for democratic change and also turn the tide against the people clamoring for political reform.

So it needs to demonstrate to them, particularly after its deceitful, patently deceitful, myth has been exposed by its people that it is the guardian and defender of Sunni Islam because the Sunni regime thrown its weight, thrown its support behind all the tyrannical [governments] and dictatorships in Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen and we have seen the people protesting in those countries, demanding an end to the Saudi Meddling and interference in their countries’ [affairs] and that is why we see the Saudis actively and vigorously engaged in trying to start off a sectarian war, not just in Iraq but also in Syria and in Lebanon in order to be seen by its people, engaged in fighting a threat by the Shias, so that it makes it extremely hard for those people who are daring to defy it in Saudi Arabia to stand up [to] the regime and we have seen the Saudis coming up with various accusations that they are dismantling rings and networks of spies in Saudi Arabia, in order to backup their story.

We have seen also, Saudi Arabia widening its strategy after spectacular failure in concentrating on Syria trying to topple the Syrian regime, to also, encompass and involve Iraq to destabilize Iraq, believing that Iraq is the backbone or is offering support to the Syrian regime and we have seen, also, the Saudis deeply worried because of the international community adopting a diplomatic approach in Syria and refusing, adamantly refusing to adopt the Saudi strive to wage war against Syria and also wage war against Iran.

The Saudis are infuriated by the negotiations, taking place now, to resolve the Iranian nuclear issue. They want the West, particularly the United States to use and adopt a military approach to deal with Iran.

PressTV - ‘Saudi Arabia fears democracy in Iraq’

Why would Saudi Arabia have to fear democracy in Iraq? Is it because they haven't shown support to the Syrian regime?
 
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Which harsh words are you talking about? Read my post again. Everything is written there in a calm manner.
Did you miss derisiveness?? :coffee:

al-Hasani said:
Your "all the protests" claim is limited to one city and one radical clerics few supporters. We know which country's system he looks up to.
How well would you back up the claim because whatever comes in the media is pretty much trimmed by the government.???

al-Hasani said:
Well if you claim that UAE is a autocratic state (which is not truth and a pathetic claim) then what are you doing in a autocratic state? In a real autocratic state you would not be able to sit on the internet and write negative things about your host country and all the other rights you have in UAE.
Okay an absolute monarchy then....but its not about UAE is it??

al-Hasani said:
Eh, try take a look at Okaz, Arab News, Saudi Gazette etc. and come back to me and tell me that there is no criticism and negative news. Every day there is. Now make the same comparison to PISSTV that was used as a source in this thread.

I have replied to this part already.
 
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Did you miss derisiveness?? :coffee:


How well would you back up the claim because whatever comes in the media is pretty much trimmed by the government.???


Okay an absolute monarchy then....but its not about UAE is it??



I have replied to this part already.

What derisiveness are you talking about?

How I would "back it up"? Are you serious? You don't think that I know my country well enough, don't follow local news, world news, Facebook and Twitter updates on situations across the country etc. We live in the year 2013. Nothing escapes the limelights. KSA is the country in the world that uses Twitter the most per citizen and among the biggest users percentage wise of social media etc. where you are free to express nearly everything. Rights have limits like everywhere else.

You did not answer my question. Do you regard UAE as a autocratic/tyrannical country or not? Yes or no.

I know where most people would prefer to live if they had to make a choice between UAE and India despite the later claiming to be a "democracy" when in reality it is far from being a democracy of Western standards. Far from.

Anyway not going to continue this discussion. The bottom end is that this news from PISSTV is laughable and not worthy spending your time with more than necessary.
 
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What derisiveness are you talking about?
Well it started with you LOLing and then mocking.

al-Hasani said:
How I would "back it up"? Are you serious? You don't think that I know my country well enough, don't follow local news, world news, Facebook and Twitter updates on situations across the country etc. We live in the year 2013. Nothing escapes the limelights. KSA is the country in the world that uses Twitter the most per citizen and among the biggest users percentage wise of social media etc. where you are free to express nearly everything. Rights have limits like everywhere else.
You are kidding right???

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Human rights in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



al-Hasani said:
You did not answer my question. Do you regard UAE as a autocratic/tyrannical country or not? Yes or no.
I told you....absolute monarchy.

al-Hasani said:
I know where most people would prefer to live if they had to make a choice between UAE and India despite the later claiming to be a "democracy" when in reality it is far from being a democracy of Western standards. Far from.

I would love to live in India anyday.I am an Indian....a proud one at that.
I am here because my husband lives here.His and my job requires us to be in a country with oil and gas sector.
India's democracy was never its problem...the problem is with the corrupt politicians in the system who need to be removed.


al-Hasani said:
Anyway not going to continue this discussion. The bottom end is that this news from PISSTV is laughable and not worthy spending your time with more than necessary.
Fine with me.
I too found the article little funny so i might have to agree to this one that whoever reported this matter had a plethora of sight and feelings which was not necessary at all.
 
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Well it started with you LOLing and then mocking.


You are kidding right???

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Human rights in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




I told you....absolute monarchy.



I would love to live in India anyday.I am an Indian....a proud one at that.
I am here because my husband lives here.His and my job requires us to be in a country with oil and gas sector.
India's democracy was never its problem...the problem is with the corrupt politicians in the system who need to be removed.



Fine with me.
I too found the article little funny so i might have to agree to this one that whoever reported this matter had a plethora of sight and feelings which was not necessary at all.

Mocking? Ok. If that claim pleases you then so be it. I even wrote no disrespect.

Wikipedia. Ok, nice story. Once again, where have any Saudi Arabian or Saudi Arabian official claimed that KSA is a "Western democracy" or that we want to implement that system or that the majority of our people want it? So your arguments are hallow and do not matter in this instance.

China, the most populous country in the world, is far from being a Western democracy as well, but most of the citizens are happy just like Saudi Arabian citizens and both China and KSA are progressing and all issues are improving such as economy, standard of life etc.

And again your own country, India, is not any better on many fronts.

World Report 2013: India | Human Rights Watch

Absolute monarchy does not equal tyrannical/autocratic rule. Only idiots would claim that UAE was a tyrannical country. Liechtenstein is a absolute monarchy. Are they a tyrannical country too?

Good for you. Then I guess that you are ready to deport back to India when your time comes. And good luck to your husband as well.

Yes, indeed.
 
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Mocking? Ok. If that claim pleases you then so be it. I even wrote no disrespect.

Wikipedia. Ok, nice story. Once again, where have any Saudi Arabian or Saudi Arabian official claimed that KSA is a "Western democracy" or that we want to implement that system or that the majority of our people want it? So your arguments are hallow and do not matter in this instance.

China, the most populous country in the world, is far from being a Western democracy as well, but most of the citizens are happy just like Saudi Arabian citizens and both China and KSA are progressing and all issues are improving such as economy, standard of life etc.

And again your own country, India, is not any better on many fronts.

World Report 2013: India | Human Rights Watch

Absolute monarchy does not equal tyrannical/autocratic rule. Only idiots would claim that UAE was a tyrannical country. Liechtenstein is a absolute monarchy. Are they a tyrannical country too?

Good for you. Then I guess that you are ready to deport back to India when your time comes. And good luck to your husband as well.

Yes, indeed.


You have resorted to very low level personal attack this time.You have no business in how me and my husband will handle our personal lives.

I had not come here for a show down between Saudi Arabia and India.You turned it that way.

And China???
Phaaallleeeesssss
Another country with media curbed and where the media feeds the citizens what the communist government allows them.


Atleast in my country things get reported the way they are.We have a free media which scrutinizes even the ruling party. And my country is progressing too not just financially but its also by broadening the citizen's rights.
 
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