Saudi Arabia Crucifies Myanmar Man for Theft and Murder

[timmy_area51]

"Saif" sounds female to you? Lol.

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I am not aware of any Saudi Arabian female user on PDF. Only a Omani one.

Never said it was.

However Afghans have a tremendously bad reputation (same league as Somalians) almost everywhere and the Westerners that you mentioned have no exposure to this country other than negative associations and news. On the other hand Arabs and the Arab world in the imagination of Westerners is a diverse thing. Everything from palaces in Marrakech to ancient heritage sites from Yemen to Morocco, Pyramids, Petra, Babylon etc. to mention a few world famous ancient heritage sites, Dubai, wealth, modern architectural marvels (skyscrapers etc.) and then you have terrorism and wars as well.

Afghans? What else other than terrorism and negative news? Not much.

Can't be said about Arabs and Iranians for instance.

BTW I don't care what they have to say on this front as Europeans (aside from Romans and Greek who were heavily influenced by civilizations native to the Arab world, also influenced the ones in the Arab world) were irrelevant for most of human history until their dominance in the past 500 years (worldwide). And leading experts when it comes to brutal execution methods. Southern Europeans and Arabs cluster closely genetically.

Arab culture in countries like Spain is felt on every front (language, city names, architecture, cuisine, agriculture, genetic contribution, music, castles, forts, palaces, gardens etc.). Alhambra for instance speaks for itself. Over 10 World UNESCO Heritage sites in Spain were built or partially built by Arabs/Moors in Spain alone.



I am anti-Mullahism. Anti-religion playing a role in state rule. However that does not mean that I am a castrated eunuch that supports feminism on steroids, no punishments, cries when a murderer, rapist and chief gets executed etc.

You won't find me crying in threads if Iran executes some murderer, USA, China or anyone else for that matter. In fact I will applaud it if guilty.

canada is home to many poor north american christians so your insu8lting christianity itself

again i'm not an afghan , i was born in iran and i spent my first year in melbourne australia ,so i'm not really an afghan . you say you hate iranians yet you repeat their insults like a parrot

 

[Saif al-Arab]

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canada is home to many poor north american christians so your insu8lting christianity itself

again i'm not an afghan , i was born in iran and i spent my first year in melbourne australia ,so i'm not really an afghan . you say you hate iranians yet you repeat their insults like a parrot

You are a very strange individual. Changing identities with each new user.

I am not sure what you are blabbering about. What has your insane first sentence to do with my reply to your post or what I wrote? Nothing is the answer.

Who told you that I hate Iranians? Yes, I hate Iranian Arabs for instance. I don't hate Iranians unless they hate Arabs. I dislike the Iranian Mullah regime (self-proclaimed Arabs) and its policies. The dislike is rooted in the regime policies abroad, not due to its existence as that is an Iranian internal affair. I am not living under their rule nor are Arabs (other than Iranian Arabs).

No insults other than facts. You admitted to being an Afghan refugee in Iran previously and Iranian users here call you an Afghan troll as well. Blame them or yourself, not me.

 

[timmy_area51]

You are a very strange individual. Changing identities with each new user.

I am not sure what you are blabbering about. What has your insane first sentence to do with my reply to your post or what I wrote? Nothing is the answer.

Who told you that I hate Iranians? Yes, I hate Iranian Arabs for instance. I don't hate Iranians unless they hate Arabs. I dislike the Iranian Mullah regime (self-proclaimed Arabs) and its policies. The dislike is rooted in the regime policies abroad, not due to its existence as that is an Iranian internal affair. I am not living under their rule nor are Arabs (other than Iranian Arabs).

No insults other than facts. You admitted to being an Afghan refugee in Iran previously and Iranian users here call you an Afghan troll as well. Blame them or yourself, not me.

like i told you you'd find the religious types of iranians hold a much deeper grudge against arabs and their wealth than someone like me , i'm not rich but i'm not hungry either .
What do you think all those Hajj pilgrims go there to have a spiritual experience ? no . they want to see your wealth .
and i don't mind getting acquainted with an arab girl if she's attractive . i don't believe in racial superiority or inferiority .

I am anti-Mullahism. Anti-religion playing a role in state rule. However that does not mean that I am a castrated eunuch that supports feminism on steroids, no punishments, cries when a murderer, rapist and chief gets executed etc.

You won't find me crying in threads if Iran executes some murderer, USA, China or anyone else for that matter. In fact I will applaud it if guilty.

mullahs are عین الاسلام in today's islam . you can't really be anti-mullah without being anti islam itself , it is because of their dedication to the islamic cause since 1979 . not something someone like me can really control.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

like i told you you'd find the religious types of iranians hold a much deeper grudge against arabs and their wealth than someone like me , i'm not rich but i'm not hungry either .
What do you think all those Hajj pilgrims go there to have a spiritual experience ? no . they want to see your wealth .
and i don't mind getting acquainted with an arab girl if she's attractive . i don't believe in racial superiority or inferiority .

Aside from your trolling you seem like a nice guy. For that reason I will apologize for some of my past comments.

I believe that you are trolling again.

Most ordinary Arabs and ordinary Iranians have no problems with each other. Currently 85.000 Iranians are in KSA. Zero negative incidents.

In fact KSA allowed an Iranian diplomat to return to KSA and Iran allowed a Saudi Arabian diplomat to return to Iran after KSA broke off diplomatic relations back in 2016.

Both those diplomats will be based in the Swiss embassy in KSA and the Swiss embassy in Iran due to Switzerland's long-term neutrality.

This is normal practice in diplomatic circles. (Have relatives that worked as diplomats for more than 1 country)

mullahs are عین الاسلام in today's islam . you can't really be anti-mullah without being anti islam itself , it is because of their dedication to the islamic cause since 1979 . not something someone like me can really control.

That might be the Shia Twelver view of it. Sunni Muslims are not as attached to their Mullah's/scholars as Shias tend to be. No Ayatollah's. No Khums. No clerical rule.

In fact Sunni Arab thinkers have been criticizing "Mullahism" in Islam heavily since ancient times and more recently.

Whenever non-Islamist movements occurred in the Arab world it was always the work of Sunni Arabs or Christian Arabs. Shias on the other hand tended to be more traditional and less flexible. Whether in Southern Iran or Northern Yemen, Bahrain, Eastern Province or Southern Lebanon.

Although they tended to have affinities for communist parties (which I always found strange), at least in Southern Iraq.

I suggest reading the works of Ali Al-Wardi that already spoke about "palace clerics" in the 1950's. His books are widely available in KSA for instance.

Iranian deep attachment to Mullah's is most likely a legacy of the Zoroastrian priest class, lol.

 

[timmy_area51]

Aside from your trolling you seem like a nice guy. For that reason I will apologize for some of my past comments.

I believe that you are trolling again.

Most ordinary Arabs and ordinary Iranians have no problems with each other. Currently 85.000 Iranians are in KSA. Zero negative incidents.

In fact KSA allowed an Iranian diplomat to return to KSA and Iran allowed a Saudi Arabian diplomat to return to Iran after KSA broke off diplomatic relations back in 2016.

Both those diplomats will be based in the Swiss embassy in KSA and the Swiss embassy in Iran due to Switzerland's long-term neutrality.

This is normal practice in diplomatic circles. (Have relatives that worked as diplomats for more than 1 country)



That might be the Shia Twelver view of it. Sunni Muslims are not as attached to their Mullah's/scholars as Shias tend to be. No Ayatollah's. No Khums. No clerical rule.

In fact Sunni Arab thinkers have been criticizing "Mullahism" in Islam heavily since ancient times and more recently.

I suggest reading the works of Ali Al-Wardi that already spoke about "palace clerics" in the 1950's.

Iranian deep attachment to Mullah's is most likely a legacy of the Zoroastrian priest class, lol.

no i'm not trolling , hajj pilgrims are often poor people who might be even scared to travel to anywhere else , that's how i see it you might want to call it trolling .

i don't hate arabs , i know there is diversity amongst arabs . i've met arabs abroad and i know some of them like egyptians generally hate us , and some like the saudis , kuwaitis , etc. don't mind us .

mullahs never got too poor in iran because of the donations people would give them . my own grand father pretended to be a mullah just to get by .

 

[Saif al-Arab]

no i'm not trolling , hajj pilgrims are often poor people who might be even scared to travel to anywhere else , that's how i see it you might want to call it trolling .

i don't hate arabs , i know there is diversity amongst arabs . i've met arabs abroad and i know some of them like egyptians generally hate us , and some like the saudis , kuwaitis , etc. don't mind us .

mullahs never got too poor in iran because of the donations people would give them . my own grand father pretended to be a mullah just to get by .

I don't know anything about that.

My interactions with Iranians in KSA/GCC/Iraq/Arab world (almost no Iranians in the Arab world outside of Iraq, GCC and to a much smaller degree Lebanon) has been limited to locals (citizens) of Iranian origins (could be Iranian Arab, Lur, Farsi, Kurd and Baloch) and meeting some Iranian expats in UAE.

In Europe I have met conservative Iranians and the opposite (hating Islam). However I often spot Iranians in Arab shops since there are many more Arabs in Europe/West than Iranians so when the Iranians want to buy typical Middle Eastern ingredient they visit Arab shops.

Other than that Saudi Arabians/Iranians and Arabs as a whole don't have much interaction with each other despite being neighbors. Much ignorance is found.

In fact I doubt that most Iranians know much about Iranian Arabs.......

Yes, that is the Shia Twelver belief (Khums) of giving 1/5 of your wealth to Shia clerics and Shia institutions which is why the Shia clergy in Iran was the second power since the Safavids (after they converted Iran to Shia Islam with Arab Shai clerical help, they imported 10.000's of Shia Arab clerics and Safavids gave them high-ranking positions in their royal courts and settled them and gave them free land).

First batch of Iranian Hajj pilgrims arrives in Medina

File photo of an Iranian pilgrim taking part in Hajj in Medina in Saudi Arabia. (Reuters)

Staff writer, Al Arabiya English
Thursday, 19 July 2018

The first batch of the Iranian pilgrims for this year’s Hajj (pilgrimage) arrived in Medina in the Saudi Kingdom on Thursday, according to Saudi Press Agency (SPA).

Upon arrival at Prince Mohammed bin Abdulaziz international airport, they were transported by buses to their temporary camp where an integrated system of high-quality services provided by the Ministry of Hajj and Umrah, Medina branch, and the National Foundation for Pilgrims Guides was awaiting them.

Hatem bin Jaafar Bali, Chairman of the National Foundation for Pilgrims Guides, said that the Foundation provided all services for the convenience of pilgrims, in the framework of the keenness of the government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to serve pilgrims.

Last Update: Friday, 20 July 2018 KSA 01:16 - GMT 22:16

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...Iranian-Pilgrims-Arrives-in-Saudi-Medina.html

Iranian pilgrims say they are satisfied

Reuters, Mecca
Saturday, 2 September 2017

Iranian pilgrims returned to haj this year for the first time since a deadly crush in 2015, in what could be an important confidence-building measure for dialogue between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

President Hassan Rouhani suggested a trouble-free haj this year could help build confidence in other areas of dispute between Tehran and Riyadh.

So far, Iranian pilgrims say they are satisfied.

This year, Iran issued its nearly 90,000 pilgrims blue electronic bracelets to help organizers trace and identify them.

Iranians clad in traditional white clothes and a distinctive red mark arrived in orange buses at their encampment in Mount Arafat and moved smoothly in all locations.

Pilgrims who spoke with Reuters, many with previous experience at the haj, say their facilities and treatment by the Saudi authorities are good and include air-conditioned tents.

Last Update: Saturday, 2 September 2017 KSA 17:17 - GMT 14:17

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2017/09/02/Iranian-pilgrims-say-they-are-satisfied.html

Iranian pilgrim, 80, survives heart attack in Saudi Arabia

The man praised Saudi Arabia’s efforts to serve the pilgrims. (Supplied)

By Staff writer, Al Arabiya Monday, 21 August 2017

A medical team at King Abdullah’s Medical City in Mecca saved the life of an 80-year-old Iranian pilgrim who suffered a heart attack soon after arriving in Saudi Arabia to perform Hajj.

The medical team quoted preliminary medical tests as revealing that the elderly man suffered from a major heart attack while at the Holly Mosque. As soon as the intial medical reports were revealed, he was immediately shifted to the operations room for a cardiac catheterization. The man had suffered the attack within hours of his arrival in the country.

The man underwent an operation in which his left anterior artery blockage was removed. An artery stent was placed during the operation. He was then transferred to the ICU for recovery. The medical team explained that the patient has already recovered and was discharged from the hospital on Sunday.

The Iranian man expressed his gratitude to the medical team for saving his life and for the treatment he received during his stay at the hospital. He also praised Saudi Arabia’s efforts to serve the pilgrims.

Last Update: Monday, 21 August 2017 KSA 20:53 - GMT 17:53

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/va...-saved-after-suffering-from-heart-attack.html

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[HariPrasad]

executed and crucified a Myanmar man in the holy city of Mecca

 

[WarKa DaNG]

These punishments are very good for the lowering of crimes therefore no injustices occur because of it unlike Pakistan where a person who stabbed a girl 23 times is roaming freely

 

[Buddhistforlife]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...carries-out-rare-crucifixion-for-murder-theft


Saudi Arabia executed and crucified a Myanmar man in the holy city of Mecca on Wednesday in a rare form of punishment reserved for the most egregious crimes.



Elias Abulkalaam Jamaleddeen was accused of breaking into the home of a woman from Myanmar, firing a weapon in it then repeatedly stabbing her, which led to her death, the official Saudi Press Agency reported, citing an Interior Ministry statement. He was also accused of stealing weapons and trying to kill another man whose home he broke into, as well as attempting to rape a woman.



The ruling was supported by the country’s supreme court and endorsed by the king.



Crucifixions in Saudi Arabia entail hanging a body in public after an execution, and are unusual. A Yemeni man was crucified in 2010 for raping and killing a girl and shooting dead her father.

This man is a Rohingya Bangladeshi terrorist and not a Burmese citizens. The people of Myanmar are sober and have high moral values unlike Bangladeshis and Rohingyas who are thieves, fraudsters, dacoits etc. Even millions of Bangladeshis and Rohingyas are living illegally in Indian state of Assam.

 

[Rollno21]

Is he a rohingya ?

 

[war&peace]

saudi arabia executed an iranian man for vomiting in front of the Kabbaa before 1979 . that's pure savagry

In ''The Ancient Sunni-Shiite Feud'' (Op-Ed, Aug. 5), Martin Kramer presents one side of the December 1943 incident in which an Iranian Shiite pilgrim was condemned by a Saudi Arabian magistrate and executed for defiling the area around the Kaaba, the sacred Moslem shrine in Mecca.

On the evidence of returning Iranian pilgrims, the Foreign Ministry in Teheran claimed in mid-January 1944 that the young man in question had been overcome by the heat while performing the ritual circumambulation of the monument, and had vomited into his robe rather than risk messing the courtyard of the Grand Mosque. Sunnis who observed his condition later that day accused him of smuggling excrement into the area to pollute it. The Saudi religious court acted on the evidence of these witnesses.

When the Iranian Government formally demanded reparations for the hasty execution and assurances such episodes would not be repeated, Saudi officials replied that the condemned man was the ringleader of a gang of Shiites intent on defiling the shrine. Teheran denied this further accusation and prevented Iranian nationals from participating in the pilgrimage to Mecca the following year, perhaps disingenuously blaming problems associated with wartime transportation.

Who is to say at this late date which of these versions is nearer to the truth? FRED H. LAWSON Assistant Professor of Government Mills College Oakland, Calif., Aug. 5, 1987

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