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Saudi Arabia bans access to Turkish state media

Absolutely nobody in KSA reads Turkish "media" (read Erdogan controlled media) or cares about it the slightest. On a global scale it is absolutely unimportant as well with just 1 Arab news channel (Al-Jazeera) alone having a much larger audience and influence worldwide.

Secondly news reporting about KSA from Turkish media (read Erdogan controlled media) belongs in the dustbin as 99.99% of the time it is propaganda and not worth wasting your time with.



The completely Arabized "Ottomans" (no civilization and zero legacy left in the Arab world) joke is a tiny, tiny footnote in the cradle of civilization that is the Arab world. Only braindead and uneducated Arab Islamists (mostly MB influenced zombies) have anything "good" to say about them and that too is only out of ignorance and "Islamic solidarity" by default.

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Having said that I request fellow Arab users, the very few that remain after 99.9% of us left PDF, to ignore the anti-Arab and Arab-obsessed drivel in this thread and elsewhere from largely partially Arabized trolls.

Arabs as a people and civilization are too great to continuously be dragged into such moronic discussions and irrelevant troll wars on this forum.

Our ancient pre-Islamic history (that of the Arab world, Arabs and fellow Semitic peoples) is objectively speaking the most impressive in existence. It gave rise to the oldest known civilizations on the planet and influential (influencing every later civilization basically), science, mathematics, farming, the first major population centers and cities in the world, writing, alphabet, the wheel, musical instruments, the first monotheistic (Abrahamic) religions, first known religions, poetry, literature, domesticate of animals, the Arab world is home to the most impressive and most ancient archaeological and architectural wonders of the world and the list goes on.

After the Islamic conquest we Arabs created the largest (by far) and most influential empires EVER (stands to this date) created by non-Westerners (in the form of much more recent colonial empires, the British being the largest), expect for the incredibly short-lived and destructive Mongol empire, in the Muslim/non-Western world. It was under those Arab Caliphates/empires, that the height of Islamic civilization was reached and where the Islamic world was the leading player in almost every field. Arabic, the liturgic language of Islam, is the most influential language (by far) in the Muslim world too, influencing languages on all continents of the world and every single language spoken in the Muslim world to a greater or smaller degree.

To this very day, despite 3-4 centuries of Ottoman darkness and colonial exploration of much of the Arab world, we still stand strong, despite being at our weakest point. We still control a landmass the size of Russia, our lands are some of the most richest and sought after on the planet and so is our geographical location, hence the constant meddling from almost everyone else. We are still by far the largest Muslim ethnic group (second largest in the World overall) and our combined economy is in the top 5 of the world which incredible potential for future growth due to unused potential, population growth etc.

This post is not aimed at showcasing what is already known among educated people across the world (not only historians) but just to tell the few fellow Arab users that remain on PDF, not to get yourself dragged down by a few insulting loudmouths who give their own nation/s a very bad name.

I don't care about whatever you ban. There are many who support the arabian cause but what I care about and support is you getting rid of that filth in Yemen called Houthis it's your reponsibility and if you don't or refuse this will backfire on the Saudi royal family due to Civilians getting pissed off and could lead to the removal of the house of Saud. The same goes to the UAE. Bomb, besiege, or use blockades I don't care just get rid of them. This is in the best interest of the house of saud and the same goes to the UAE rulers this will prolong there stay and people will tolerate them as long as they act in accordance with the people of the lands demand
 
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Maybe hate is too strong word but the way how saudis/emiratis speak on twitter give an expression like qatar is their erstwhile 1000 years old enemy maybe you don’t hate qatar but certainly your gcc brothers do at least that’s the logical assumption when you read their words
Regarding anatolia and arabs it’s better not to talk the same thing because it’s irrelevant in the eyes of the world anatolia is associated with turks
Also you can’t say that turks are arabized and claim at the same time that you suffered because these two things EXCLUDE EACH OTHER
Turks also ruled arabia&arabs(even though we gave wide anatomy for self rule) but you won’t find turk boasting about arabian peninsula
Landmass doesn’t make you powerful look UK for example
Definitely KSA is in top 3 countries regarding resources yet so far it’s mostly oil-based country which is frankly speaking unsustainable for the long term-especially if your population is rising exponentially
Whether you will achieve independence from oil and be industry based economy we will see this is in the future so far you are still heavily reliant on oil
while KSA’s GDP is bigger still there is currently GREAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TURKISH ECONOMY AND YOURS this is fact that everyone who is objective will admit it

The problem with non-Arabs like you, who don't speak Arabic (despite Arabic being in the top 5 of most spoken languages and one of the most influential languages in history, one of the 5 official UN languages and the foreign language that has influenced modern-day Turkish the most to this date, not even going to talk about Ottoman Turkish which was almost an Arabic dialect), who have never encountered a single Arab in your life (most likely the case in Macedonia), let alone a Qatari, Saudi Arabian or Emirati, is that your worldview and knowledge about Arabs and the Arab world is either taken from Wikipedia (which is free for anyone to edit and create an agenda about - I have personally experienced this first hand albeit eventually historically facts and scholarly worked triumphed over an biased moderator) or some useless Twitter accounts.

Nobody hates anyone in the Arab world. This is reserved for the tiny amount of extremists (0,0001% of the total population) who are willing to kill based on sect and worldview. Rest is lighthearted rivalry and "which **** is bigger than yours" type of banter that is commonplace in every single country and among every ethnic group. Qataris cannot hate Saudi Arabians or Emiratis as we are largely one people.

Even one those useless Twitter "wars", the criticism is always aimed at regimes in power which have nothing to do with the actions of ordinary people. Meaning the other 99.99999% of the people.

No, they don't at all. Arabs did not "suffer" as the Sultans in Istanbul could not afford to/were very afraid of pissing Arabs off as that would pick the Ottoman entity apart very quickly. Arabs were greatly respected in the Ottoman elite/royal court the problem however was that the Ottoman bureaucracy was dominated by non-Turkish converts, mostly from the Balkans, hence the obsession/priority of the Balkans, while large sways of the Arab world (despite being the Islamic heartland and far more important than tiny Balkans) were severely neglected. Even that, the 1/3 of the Arab world that was a part of the Ottomans, often had autonomy and some rulers (local) were great but overall it was 350 years with stagnation and explorations especially in Sham/Levant. So while it might have been your most glorious period (citizens of Anatolia), it was overall a dark period in the history of the Arab world compared to past periods.

Uthman presence in Arabia was limited to Hijaz mostly and parts of Yemen (although Uthman presence eventually almost always lost in Yemen whenever a conflict occurred - hence the famous Turkish songs about soldiers in Yemen). So basically less than 15-20% of Arabia. At that time there were several powerful Arabian entities that ruled from Aden in the South to Mosul in the North and the Omani empire ruled from Southern Iran/parts of Southern Pakistan all the way to Tanzania.

The importance of oil is decreasing each day/month/year in KSA greatly.

This is an annual export graph from 2015 (214 billion USD worth of exports).

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Exports from 2015. The situation has only changed even more in 2020. And there is enormous potential for KSA in alternative energy. We will become an alternative energy giant in the future and given the rise of technology we will turn into an agricultural powerhouse as well in the future. Tourism is booming as well and Makkah and Madinah alone could (in the future) attract 50 million pilgrims each year if facilities increase. Tons of land with coastal access. Educated population with the highest expenses on education in the developing world as per capita (recent budget education/science formed almost 8% of the total expenses).

Yes, but it is not KSA's problem that we have been blessed with so many resources. Those are our resources. They did not jump down from the sky. It is due to Arabia being a very fertile region not longer than 5000 years ago and much of KSA being home to tons of giant lakes, rivers (hence why we have 1000's of wadis - non permanent rivers to this day) that created a huge amount of tiny plants and animals such as algae and zooplankton. Later creating oil and natural gas.

BTW, Arabia/Arab world was one of the wealthiest areas of the world for millennia long before anyone had discovered oil or natural gas.

In fact the oldest and largest gold mine in the Middle East is located in KSA (Hijaz to be more precise) and it has been working almost continuously for 5000 years and has been described in the Quran, Bible and Torah and many ancient fables.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahd_adh_Dhahab

Every country has its strengths and weaknesses, every educated person also knows that the native population of Turkey is 2.5 times larger (larger population = automatically a bigger economic output usually - no coincidence that China, USA and India are poised to become/are already the 3 largest economies in the world - not a coincidence as they have the largest populations), zero taxation in KSA (one of the main income sources of every economy out there expect in the GCC), geographic location close to Europe (largest economy in the world alongside the US) and 100 years of close integration to said economy/region. It is like comparing apples and pears.

You can imagine yourself what 100 years of direct and heavy Western influence could have done for KSA economically. Just need to look at the past 5 years (only 5 years!) of reforms from MBS and how much that has changed KSA.

I don't care about whatever you ban. There are many who support the arabian cause but what I care about and support is you getting rid of that filth in Yemen called Houthis it's your reponsibility and if you don't or refuse this will backfire on the Saudi royal family due to Civilians getting pissed off and could lead to the removal of the house of Saud. The same goes to the UAE. Bomb, besiege, or use blockades I don't care just get rid of them. This is in the best interest of the house of saud and the same goes to the UAE rulers this will prolong there stay and people will tolerate them as long as they act in accordance with the people of the lands demand

What is the Arabian cause? I don't know of such a policy. There are 20 + Arab countries and 20 + Arab regimes. Currently there is no cohesive and joint policy. 3 Arab countries are at civil war (Yemen, Syria and Libya) moreover. As for the Arab people, that is another thing altogether.

Houthis control less than 10% of Yemen and have lost 80% of the territory that they controlled in Yemen prior to the Arab intervention.

Northern Yemenis are our brethren and not our enemies. If we wanted we could have carpet bombed all of beautiful Northern Yemen and turned it into ash. Literally. Yet that would be a huge own goal and counterproductive as the people are not our enemies and never will be.

Regimes in power are not important on a long-term basis, as they all come and go, hence why there having been 1000's of native dynasties in the Arab world.

Definitely the security of the nation is a red line but since only small mountain villages next to the Yemeni border have had direct dealings with this conflict (that too limited), it has not reached such a point.

In any case, I expect a ceasefire eventually, as KSA has no interest to occupy North Yemen (it is a very beautiful mountainous region of Yemen but it has little of no strategic value) and North Yemenis will continue to be dependent on KSA economically, in terms of work etc.

This is an internal conflict (civil war) and there are no saints.
 
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What is the Arabian cause? I don't know of such a policy. There are 20 + Arab countries and 20 + Arab regimes. Currently there is no cohesive and joint policy. 3 Arab countries are at civil war (Yemen, Syria and Libya) moreover. As for the Arab people, that is another thing altogether.

Houthis control less than 10% of Yemen and have lost 80% of the territory that they controlled in Yemen prior to the Arab intervention.

Northern Yemenis are our brethren and not our enemies. If we wanted we could have carpet bombed all of beautiful Northern Yemen and turned it into ash. Literally. Yet that would be a huge own goal and counterproductive as the people are not our enemies and never will be.

Regimes in power are not important on a long-term basis, as they all come and go, hence why there having been 1000's of native dynasties in the Arab world.

Definitely the security of the nation is a red line but since only small mountain villages next to the Yemeni border have had direct dealings with this conflict (that too limited), it has not reached such a point.

In any case, I expect a ceasefire eventually, as KSA has no interest to occupy North Yemen (it is a very beautiful mountainous region of Yemen but it has little of no strategic value) and North Yemenis will continue to be dependent on KSA economically, in terms of work etc.

This is an internal conflict (civil war) and there are no saints.

I know they controll less than 10% and I don't care whether it's in beautiful mountainous regions or not. The most important thing here is that they are eliminated. If the people of Saudia feel that royal house is not acting in accordance with the civilians you can bet there will be turmoil in Riyadh one that you can't forsee now. All this shit will unravel which means this to happen is only away from one Houthi missile landing on Riyadh again the people will rise against the regime and view them as incomptent of getting rid of these annoyance and putting their lives in denger. If Riyadh get lazy in their approch of cracking down on these rebels in Yemen than it will put pressure on them at home. You either finish them off in Yemen or you either face an uprising at home there is no other option. I see no brotherly ties between the Houthis and these who are working with Iran. There is no other options than to carpet bomb them. Causing disturbance in the holy cities will be unforgiven if the Houthis fired a missile on the holy lands this will even intensify the pressure on the house of saud.

If I was in the House of Saud I will do everything I can to facilitate the fall of the rebels in Yemen to avoid internal issues from the citizens of SAUDI arabia. The stakes are high and they should take it very serious
 
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I know they controll less than 10% and I don't care whether it's in beautiful mountainous regions or not. The most important thing here is that they are eliminated. If the people of Saudia feel that royal house is not acting in accordance with the civilians you can bet there will be turmoil in Riyadh one that you can't forsee now. All this shit will unravel which means this to happen is only away from one Houthi missile landing on Riyadh again the people will rise against the regime and view them as incomptent of getting rid of these annoyance and putting their lives in denger. If Riyadh get lazy in their approch of cracking down on these rebels in Yemen than it will put pressure on them at home. You either finish them off in Yemen or you either face an uprising at home there is no other option. I see no brotherly ties between the Houthis and these who are working with Iran. There is no other options than to carpet bomb them. Causing disturbance in the holy cities will be unforgiven if the Houthis fired a missile on the holy lands this will even intensify the pressure on the house of saud.

If I was in the House of Saud I will do everything I can to facilitate the fall of the rebels in Yemen to avoid internal issues from the citizens of SAUDI arabia. The stakes are high and they should take it very serious

You might not care as a non-Arab but we Saudi Arabians and Arabs do as we wish the best for our Northern Yemeni brothers and sisters and we have no interest to carpet bomb it or starve it, despite being able to turn that area into ash or cripple it heavily.

There will be no turmoil as there are no reasons for that.

Houthi missiles have not done any harm to any civilians in KSA expect for material damage which is very negligible at best too and mostly caused due to debris or the Patriot deliberately not shooting the ballistic missile down (after instructions) as it was approaching a barren/uninhabited land due to the inaccuracy of the Houthi missiles. The most hit areas have been cross-border mountain towns and villages and that is mostly the work of drones and artillery shells.

Makkah and Madinah are a totally different topic.

Houthis will be dealt with by Yemenis themselves and the Arab coalition. There is a reason why they are begging for a ceasefire.

But your solution (carpet bombing and starving people) is no solution and would not be any different from the approach of Al-Assad. The people of KSA would never agree with this notion. You have to understand that Houthis are a small cult overall, that are hijacking the local Northern Yemeni population.

It is a complex issue that is better not discussed on a forum of the nature of PDF. Few serious discussions can occur here for well-known reasons.

What is needed is regional Arabian integration (already a work in process) and further Arab integration which will solve most of the challenges at hand and in the future. Academics, Arab as non-Arab, have been writing about the need for this for decades, so I have not invented the wheel here.
 
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The saudis somehow are playing cold war with turkey. Both countries look at themselves as the leader of the muslim world.
 
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Good idea. Given the choice the Turks would throw their islam brand off their backs and hop in bed with their european pals.

Please do not talk about Islam if you are not Muslim.

your country is doing the right thing to ban vicious media.

I enjoy most of your posts, but this is like pouring oil on a fire.
 
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The problem with non-Arabs like you, who don't speak Arabic (despite Arabic being in the top 5 of most spoken languages and one of the most influential languages in history, one of the 5 official UN languages and the foreign language that has influenced modern-day Turkish the most to this date, not even going to talk about Ottoman Turkish which was almost an Arabic dialect), who have never encountered a single Arab in your life (most likely the case in Macedonia), let alone a Qatari, Saudi Arabian or Emirati, is that your worldview and knowledge about Arabs and the Arab world is either taken from Wikipedia (which is free for anyone to edit and create an agenda about - I have personally experienced this first hand albeit eventually historically facts and scholarly worked triumphed over an biased moderator) or some useless Twitter accounts.

Nobody hates anyone in the Arab world. This is reserved for the tiny amount of extremists (0,0001% of the total population) who are willing to kill based on sect and worldview. Rest is lighthearted rivalry and "which **** is bigger than yours" type of banter that is commonplace in every single country and among every ethnic group. Qataris cannot hate Saudi Arabians or Emiratis as we are largely one people.

Even one those useless Twitter "wars", the criticism is always aimed at regimes in power which have nothing to do with the actions of ordinary people. Meaning the other 99.99999% of the people.

No, they don't at all. Arabs did not "suffer" as the Sultans in Istanbul could not afford to/were very afraid of pissing Arabs off as that would pick the Ottoman entity apart very quickly. Arabs were greatly respected in the Ottoman elite/royal court the problem however was that the Ottoman bureaucracy was dominated by non-Turkish converts, mostly from the Balkans, hence the obsession/priority of the Balkans, while large sways of the Arab world (despite being the Islamic heartland and far more important than tiny Balkans) were severely neglected. Even that, the 1/3 of the Arab world that was a part of the Ottomans, often had autonomy and some rulers (local) were great but overall it was 350 years with stagnation and explorations especially in Sham/Levant. So while it might have been your most glorious period (citizens of Anatolia), it was overall a dark period in the history of the Arab world compared to past periods.

Uthman presence in Arabia was limited to Hijaz mostly and parts of Yemen (although Uthman presence eventually almost always lost in Yemen whenever a conflict occurred - hence the famous Turkish songs about soldiers in Yemen). So basically less than 15-20% of Arabia. At that time there were several powerful Arabian entities that ruled from Aden in the South to Mosul in the North and the Omani empire ruled from Southern Iran/parts of Southern Pakistan all the way to Tanzania.

The importance of oil is decreasing each day/month/year in KSA greatly.

This is an annual export graph from 2015 (214 billion USD worth of exports).

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Exports from 2015. The situation has only changed even more in 2020. And there is enormous potential for KSA in alternative energy. We will become an alternative energy giant in the future and given the rise of technology we will turn into an agricultural powerhouse as well in the future. Tourism is booming as well and Makkah and Madinah alone could (in the future) attract 50 million pilgrims each year if facilities increase. Tons of land with coastal access. Educated population with the highest expenses on education in the developing world as per capita (recent budget education/science formed almost 8% of the total expenses).

Yes, but it is not KSA's problem that we have been blessed with so many resources. Those are our resources. They did not jump down from the sky. It is due to Arabia being a very fertile region not longer than 5000 years ago and much of KSA being home to tons of giant lakes, rivers (hence why we have 1000's of wadis - non permanent rivers to this day) that created a huge amount of tiny plants and animals such as algae and zooplankton. Later creating oil and natural gas.

BTW, Arabia/Arab world was one of the wealthiest areas of the world for millennia long before anyone had discovered oil or natural gas.

In fact the oldest and largest gold mine in the Middle East is located in KSA (Hijaz to be more precise) and it has been working almost continuously for 5000 years and has been described in the Quran, Bible and Torah and many ancient fables.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahd_adh_Dhahab

Every country has its strengths and weaknesses, every educated person also knows that the native population of Turkey is 2.5 times larger (larger population = automatically a bigger economic output usually - no coincidence that China, USA and India are poised to become/are already the 3 largest economies in the world - not a coincidence as they have the largest populations), zero taxation in KSA (one of the main income sources of every economy out there expect in the GCC), geographic location close to Europe (largest economy in the world alongside the US) and 100 years of close integration to said economy/region. It is like comparing apples and pears.

You can imagine yourself what 100 years of direct and heavy Western influence could have done for KSA economically. Just need to look at the past 5 years (only 5 years!) of reforms from MBS and how much that has changed KSA.



What is the Arabian cause? I don't know of such a policy. There are 20 + Arab countries and 20 + Arab regimes. Currently there is no cohesive and joint policy. 3 Arab countries are at civil war (Yemen, Syria and Libya) moreover. As for the Arab people, that is another thing altogether.

Houthis control less than 10% of Yemen and have lost 80% of the territory that they controlled in Yemen prior to the Arab intervention.

Northern Yemenis are our brethren and not our enemies. If we wanted we could have carpet bombed all of beautiful Northern Yemen and turned it into ash. Literally. Yet that would be a huge own goal and counterproductive as the people are not our enemies and never will be.

Regimes in power are not important on a long-term basis, as they all come and go, hence why there having been 1000's of native dynasties in the Arab world.

Definitely the security of the nation is a red line but since only small mountain villages next to the Yemeni border have had direct dealings with this conflict (that too limited), it has not reached such a point.

In any case, I expect a ceasefire eventually, as KSA has no interest to occupy North Yemen (it is a very beautiful mountainous region of Yemen but it has little of no strategic value) and North Yemenis will continue to be dependent on KSA economically, in terms of work etc.

This is an internal conflict (civil war) and there are no saints.
Regarding the language
Well there are fortunately arabs who speak English and we can understand each other
My knowledge about arabs is based on what is happening in the MENA
For example qatari blockade
I have seen very very strong words for qataris and turks from a emirati guy which has verified account with lots of followers
I will exclude Saudi/UAE bot twitter accounts but will point to another interesting detail
We have already discussed with you about gcc ideological rift but I have a question for you why fellow gcc states imposed total blockade on ordinary qataris(arabs) and why there was no reaction from ordinary gcc arabs about the starvation on their qatari brothers?? We all have seen how even mixed families were separated qatari parents lost their children just like that out of nowhere...
Regarding the turkish language/identity and modern day identities
I can’t seriously understand why persians(modern day iranians) and arabs are obsessed with denying turkish identity when turks from central asia(oghuz turks and mugha turks) conquered both the Arab Peninsula and Persia but you shouldn’t take the word conquer as offensive because thanks to this new civilization was formed called turco-persian(arab) which influenced a lot of human’s history
Arabic and Persian were primary languages in Islam so it was obvious that ottoman elite would use it as middle age was the time of religion not NATIONALISM yet ordinary oghiz turks have always maintained its language
Ottoman arabic was actually modified old turkish with arab/persian suffixes that’s why it was very close to these two
It’s certainly interesting to observe the faxt that mughal turks despite being an ordinary islamic state they eventually assimilated in Central/SE modern day nations but ottoman turks who had lead the last caliphate recognized worldwide by all muslims managed to preserve their ethnic identity/language
Now we live in 21st century in a global world
Your/Mine dna isn’t important as much as is my/your upbringing
Recently YouTube recommended me to watch from a account named pokimane I watched the video searched who is she and was actually surpised that she was morrocan(born in Canada) if I didn’t search it I would say that she’s white american/canadian with asian features...
France for exame has banned both arabic and turkish for muslims which is another important thing for observation they want to make muslims in France french like the native population we will see the results in the future but I guess you understand what the author wants to say...
Regarding Ottoman State and non-turks
If we compare all the big state who were counterparts to ottomans how they treated their minorities versus how turks did it we can say that Ottoman state was the most “democratic” for a middle ages a lot of rights were given to non-turks I personally don’t agree with your statement that sultan was afraid of arabs
He wasn’t actually whenever there were rebel attempts by arabs or christians in balkans they were crushed very savagely/brutally
I think that ottoman turks preferred people from balkans due to their successful statesmanship experience during Roman Empire plus ottoman turks were obsessed with conquering christian Europe(taking Rome was the centerpiece of this goals) so they wanted europeans who knew Europe and had actually links(some of them had even blood ties) with european royal families
Regarding KSA economy
I have said about this already that there is long way to go from oil-based to industry base economy we can all see efforts made to achieve that but we have to wait at least 5 more years to give judgment whether the transformation was successful or not
KSA has great advantage because it’s energy rich country but wise decisions must be made if you want to exploit the full potential
My advice would be to get rid of all non-arab population and employ the local one
People have to learn about tough life if you want to make your country truly independent from oil I don’t understand what’s wrong with having saudi maid serving in saudi family or saudi waiter/waitress serving saudis....
Regarding Yemen
I have seen a lot of footages when saudi airplanes dropped bombs on a wrong target(civilians) maybe because KSA lacks C4ISR but on the other hand you have/had british/american
compensation for this... I can’t say what yemenis think about KSA as don’t have enough info but starvation tactics on civilian population is definitely something that will backfire and empower your enemies(houthis)
arab cause just like any other pan-ideology is not realistic in this world there will be never one arab state just like central asia and anatolia will never merge in one turkic state
Best scenario is EU-style federal political and economical union on all those 20 arab states
but I am afraid that’s impossible since there are two main ideological blocks and there other arab states that have their own foreign policy that is in opposition with the 2 main blocks
 
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Sorry, bro. You are right. Sometimes, I may not able to control my feeling and troll as well. Just because I hate ETIM so much.

Relations between Ankara and Beijing are not too far gone. You might need each other in the very near future.
 
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Just because I hate ETIM so much.

The last attack of ETIM in China was, according to Wikipedia, in February 2017.
So, is this organisation / movement not practically dead by now?
Do you know what the current status of it is?
 
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The last attack of ETIM in China was, according to Wikipedia, in February 2017.
So, is this organisation / movement not practically dead by now?
Do you know what the current status of it is?
It's active in Turkey, but dead in China.

Relations between Ankara and Beijing are not too far gone. You might need each other in the very near future.
Bro, I always insist Turkey and China should be friend. There are a lot China can offer and both can cooperate.

The real problem is Turkey are brainwashed by western media because of Cold War. During Cold War, Turkey is ethnic tool to dismember USSR. There are a lot people speak similar language in USSR.

The legacy keep hurting Turkey. It's a wild dream to expand and reverse Ottoman Empire, but we witness what happened to Turkey in past 10 years, it's no go.
 
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It's active in Turkey, but dead in China.


Bro, I always insist Turkey and China should be friend. There are a lot China can offer and both can cooperate.

The real problem is Turkey are brainwashed by western media because of Cold War. During Cold War, Turkey is ethnic tool to dismember USSR. There are a lot people speak similar language in USSR.

The legacy keep hurting Turkey. It's a wild dream to expand and reverse Ottoman Empire, but we witness what happened to Turkey in past 10 years, it's no go.

Believe me, Erdogan's position is very moderate for Turkey and he earns alot of flak for it. If Nationalist CHP came into power, it would be a completely different story.

You have to understand the politics in Turkey.

All Muslims have the Ottoman dream, friend. It was our holy state, which is called Khilafat. If you go anywhere, even Arab gulf countries, and talk to the masses of people about Ottomans, they will start tearing up and crying.

It is very close to our heart. Turkey is a sacred state for us. Istanbul was the seat of Khalifah Abdul Hamid II.

During Cold War, Turkey is ethnic tool to dismember USSR. There are a lot people speak similar language in USSR.

Pakistan was equally involved in the breakdown of USSR. You have to understand our relations with Russians are not positive. They came into the modern era with ethnic cleansing of many of our people like Circassians, Crimean Tatars, Tatars, Kavkaz peoples, Turkics, and Afghans.

Even China did have some issues with USSR also.
 
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Believe me, Erdogan's position is very moderate for Turkey and he earns alot of flak for it. If Nationalist CHP came into power, it would be a completely different story.

You have to understand the politics in Turkey.

All Muslims have the Ottoman dream, friend. It was our holy state, which is called Khilafat. If you go anywhere, even Arab guld countries, and talk to the masses of people about Ottomans, they will start tearing up and crying.

It is very close to our heart. Turkey is a sacred state for us. Istanbul was the seat of Khalifah Abdul Hamid II.

What kind of lunacy is that:lol:

The only Caliphate that is sacred for Muslims, that too only Sunni Muslims, is the Rashidun Caliphate and the 4 Rightly Guided Caliphs.

Moreover the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates had a far greater impact on Islam, the Muslim world and Islamic civilization than Ottomans (not even close) and are far more celebrated among scholarly circles and intellectuals.

Turkey a "sacred" state. People tearing up.:lol::cuckoo::omghaha:

@viva_zhao don't listen to this non-Arab that speaks on behalf of 500 million Arabs. If you want to know the average views of Arabs visit Arab forums or Arab reddit communities or social media such as Twitter etc. Or read my previous posts.

TRT and CNNTurk should be claimed and rebranded to Arab Media

We lost a Mujahid in the holy fight. He will be back!
 
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What kind of lunacy is that:lol:

The only Caliphate that is sacred for Muslims, that too only Sunni Muslims, is the Rashidun Caliphate and the 4 Rightly Guided Caliphs.

Moreover the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates had a far greater impact on Islam, the Muslim world and Islamic civilization than Ottomans (not even close) and are far more celebrated among scholarly circles and intellectuals.

Turkey a "sacred" state. People tearing up.:lol::cuckoo::omghaha:

@viva_zhao don't listen to this non-Arab that speaks on behalf of 500 million Arabs. If you want to know the average views of Arabs visit Arab forums or Arab reddit communities or social media such as Twitter etc. Or read my previous posts.



We lost a Mujahid in the holy fight. He will be back!
I learnt a lot from both of you. Thanks a lot @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan and @ArabianEmpires&Caliphates.

As an outsider, it's very important to keep my heart and eyes open. So that I can truly understand what other nations thinking and desires.

I would say, everyone has a dream. American dream, Chinese dream, KSA dream, Pakistan dream, and India dream.

Some of the dreams are realistic, some not goes well. Some dream can compatible with others' dream, some conflicts with each other.

I do hope every's dream come true, but in reality some dream become nightmare. Sad but true.

Thank you both, good night and have a nice dream.
 
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