SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

[ChineseToTheBone]

Multiple J-31 stealth fighter jets were featured quite prominently at the beginning of this rather official promotion video directly from our air force media department some while back. Not saying this would represent anything concrete of course, but it just might be a hint they are indeed supporting the development of this project.

 

[Daniel808]

Shenyang FC-31 Grey Falcon 5th-Gen Stealth Fighter

Credit to @cirr

 

[CHI RULES]

Russian T50/PAK FA is ready for induction in Russian air force so one should be clear that it's export version may be inducted in IAF as soon as by 2019. Pak should start negotiations with China for purchase of FC31 if it is ready.

 

[Daniel808]

Another FC-31 Grey Falcon 5th-Gen Stealth Fighter Test Flights with WS-13 IPE Engine yesterday

Credit to @grey boy 2

She is ready

 

[Taygibay]

Russian T50/PAK FA is ready for induction in Russian air force so one should be clear that it's export version may be inducted in IAF as soon as by 2019. Pak should start negotiations with China for purchase of FC31 if it is ready.

Big LOL there mate! It's worse than that.
The Su-57 won't be exported for a few years yet
and the Indians want a re-worked version as with
the MKI, the definition of which isn't frozen today.

As an export offering, the FC-31 stands alone.

Good day to you, Tay.

 

[Maxpane]

wish paf joins this project

 

[Taygibay]

wish paf joins this project

So does Daniel but that's a thinker!
The Thunder has to keep evolving;
PAC is not in the Gyrfalcon industrial ecosystem.
Thus, there's more to be gained in the first case
as FC-31 would be an outright buy, no real ToT.

If the PAF Falcons were nearer to retirement, it
would be easier to fathom. One way to do this in
my view would be to prepare and sign the next
collaboration with the Celestials now and sell the
F-16s to pay for the new inductees; a win-win?

Added bonus, switching so fast after the Rafale
buy from the South-East could provoke India to
spring for X-wing fighters and Death Stars thus
bankrupting its economy in the process!!!

Good day both, Tay.

 

[grey boy 2]

A nice one

 

[salman-1]

If tests are going on with new engines then it means the new prototype will become an exportable fighter.

 

[帅的一匹]

If tests are going on with new engines then it means the new prototype will become an exportable fighter.

Maybe PAF is already in the business, who knows? They always give surprise.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Not sure why we are not the first nation to purchase this beside China his is perfect 5th generation platform for our Airforce's 50-60 Front Line Fighter program

We should get 100-120 5th Generation crafts and donate all F16 to Palestinians

 

[Maxpane]

we should join this project and earn money by exporting it to the friendly nations and end monopoly of u s and western countries

 

[CHI RULES]

Big LOL there mate! It's worse than that.
The Su-57 won't be exported for a few years yet
and the Indians want a re-worked version as with
the MKI, the definition of which isn't frozen today.

As an export offering, the FC-31 stands alone.

Good day to you, Tay.

Sir, sorry to differ from your point but as soon as Pak even goes for a contract regarding FC-31, India may start induction of 5th gen Jets at earliest as they are not limited in options even may go for F35 if start production of F16 block70 in India. Big market, big opportunities. Even now IAF not only has edge in case of numbers but also in quality.
We require serious threat analysis. India has improved operational readiness of 200+Sukhois by c rash program of storing spares at huge level and intends to improve operational readiness in next 1-2 Years up to 70%+ of fleet. Jaguars being upgraded with AESA and other tech. Mig 29 Ks in naval role already capable. Rafael induction from 2019 and prospective production of F16 block70 or Grippen NG. Capable low to high level Radars coverage with capable SAMs along with near future induction of S400. HOBS WVRs and BVRs of next gen.

What Pak has.
Only start of JF17 block 3 proposed induction from 2018-19.
So far no plans to get next gen BVRs or HOBs WVRs. ( Perhaps SD10b or PL-15s and PL10s with JF 17 next block.).
A generation behind AMRAAM120 C-5 and PL9s though capable but older.

Old low level Radars and whole network prone to jamming as done/claimed to be done by NATO during OBL operation.

Virtually no high altitude SAM only few batteries perhaps functional of HQ2b. Limited induction of medium/Low level SAMs.

No chance of up gradation of F16s and also sanction prone. Further we may not go for their sale in same way as US has blocked sale of old F16s to Pak by Jordan.
200+ jets to be replaced. Passed their useful life.

 

[ziaulislam]

Sir, sorry to differ from your point but as soon as Pak even goes for a contract regarding FC-31, India may start induction of 5th gen Jets at earliest as they are not limited in options even may go for F35 if start production of F16 block70 in India. Big market, big opportunities. Even now IAF not only has edge in case of numbers but also in quality.
We require serious threat analysis. India has improved operational readiness of 200+Sukhois by c rash program of storing spares at huge level and intends to improve operational readiness in next 1-2 Years up to 70%+ of fleet. Jaguars being upgraded with AESA and other tech. Mig 29 Ks in naval role already capable. Rafael induction from 2019 and prospective production of F16 block70 or Grippen NG. Capable low to high level Radars coverage with capable SAMs along with near future induction of S400. HOBS WVRs and BVRs of next gen.

What Pak has.
Only start of JF17 block 3 proposed induction from 2018-19.
So far no plans to get next gen BVRs or HOBs WVRs. ( Perhaps SD10b or PL-15s and PL10s with JF 17 next block.).
A generation behind AMRAAM120 C-5 and PL9s though capable but older.

Old low level Radars and whole network prone to jamming as done/claimed to be done by NATO during OBL operation.

Virtually no high altitude SAM only few batteries perhaps functional of HQ2b. Limited induction of medium/Low level SAMs.

No chance of up gradation of F16s and also sanction prone. Further we may not go for their sale in same way as US has blocked sale of old F16s to Pak by Jordan.
200+ jets to be replaced. Passed their useful life.

so wahts the solution within our resources

i think fast pace jf-17s, work on 2-3 squardons of FC 31 and get if possible used f-16s(they come cheap), do a JV in AAM and HMDS for jf-17 with either south africa or turkey
built and revamp infrastructure, radars and SAMs(JV large scale medium SAM)

all of this can be acheived in 7-8 billion dollars budget and is mcuh better option rather spedning all that money to just buy a single defense ticket project

 

[Maxpane]

we are far far behind now