Russians Discuss Future Aircraft Carrier Plans, Eyeing India

[Damadji]

Russians Discuss Future Aircraft Carrier Plans, Eyeing India




AIN Defense Perspective » August 10, 2012


A MiG-29KUB factory development prototype made a successful landing on the deck of the INS Vikramaditya aircraft carrier on July 28, according to Russian Aircraft (“MiG”). The Indian carrier is undergoing sea trials in the Barents Sea after modernization and refit from its previous life as a Soviet heavy cruiser.

Test pilots Mikhail Belyaev and Nikolai Diorditsa were at the controls for the first landing, and a few days later they performed the first takeoff from the carrier and then made a second successful deck landing.

The successful MiG landing and other progress in the open-sea trials of the Vikramaditya have encouraged the Russians to approach the Indian MoD with a proposal to build an all-new aircraft carrier in Russia for the Indian navy.

The vessel would be built at the same Sevmash shipyard at Severodvinsk that reworked the Vikramaditya. The new ship, however, would have nuclear or gas-turbine propulsion. The Vikramaditya’s water boilers run on diesel.

The Nevskoye design bureau in St. Petersburg has been working on a next-generation carrier for the Russian navy since 2005. It has already produced several design proposals and submitted them to the Russian navy for assessment. It is believed that the new carrier on offer to India will be based on one of these proposals.

Construction would take between seven and 10 years, according to Andrei Diachkov, president of Russia’s United Shipbuilding (OSK).

He further stated that OSK is ready to assist India in the indigenous construction of aircraft carriers, through a joint venture being established between Russian and Indian shipbuilders.

However, a high-ranking source in the Russian navy said that that service wants a ship “a lot more advanced than the one on offer” from Nevskoye. The Russian navy’s “dream” carrier would be armed with advanced self-defense systems able to intercept high-flying targets, including low-orbiting satellites. It should also have “underwater capability,” the source said, hinting at the ability of the carrier to carry advanced manned or unmanned submersible vessels. The navy expects the Nevskoye design house to complete the draft design of an advanced ship in 2014, then issue production documentation in time for Sevmash to begin construction in 2020.

In late July, newly appointed Russian navy commander Admiral Victor Chirkov confirmed that “money [to prepare] for the construction of such ships has been allocated.” However, he also said then that the current Russian Armament Program 2011-2020 does not include the construction of such ships and that a decision on the program has not been made yet. By 2020, he added, the MoD will be spending its money on construction of smaller-displacement ships and modernization of older nuclear-powered cruisers.


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[KRAIT]

Russians are masters in design and innovation. India should get into more and more JV with them so that they can learn way faster and include these latest technologies in our local defense industries.

Americans used to come and look at the design of former USSR scientists and then leave their designs.

 

[rashtriya.rifles]

Who would forget the russian's denial/inability to supply warship grade steel to India..

 

[lilaspr]

its a great news if its nuclear powered, India should seriously think about it.

 

[angeldemon_007]

^^^
British and French also offered....i think those AC are way better

 

[GR!FF!N]

they should seriously consider this..

trolling..

but how they will engage against a satellite??ASAT carrying AC???never heard before..

 

[Perceptron]

Who would forget the russian's denial/inability to supply warship grade steel to India..

That was in the past. Looking at SAIL's capability to develop AB/A grade, the Russians bucked and have come to terms. As a point, the INS Kolkata steel (warship-grade) for the hull were provided by the Russians.

 

[Mysterious]

first deliver ur ac to russian navy then only indian navy should opt to consider it........otherwise a jv like brahmos

 

[angeldemon_007]

^^^
This is a joke....such an AC is a nightmare...how are you gonna protect it from enemy aircraft or SAMs. Anybody can spot it and believe me looking at the design it won't take alot to bring down this kind of AC. If you want such an AC, you should also think about invisible protection field for this AC just like in the movies....

 

[Paan Singh]

may be after 2025 ..

 

[Abingdonboy]

Hmmm an intriguing offer but one I'm sure the IN will decline as they are well and truly behind indigenous production and with the IAC 1 under construction and the IAC-2 to begin soon it is only logical to continue the domestic ACC production progression now that skills are being built up and lessons learnt. The IN's futre ACC plans aren't so aggressive to as to warrant such an order from Russia, it'd rather steadily buildup domestic capacity. And anyway it could be argued the IN would rather go with designs it has created through its own design department that fits the IN's needs perfectly rather than adopting a forking carrier with different design inputs and considerations. The IN's ACC design and deploymant philosophy is much closer to the West's than Russia's so these days the IN won't be bullied into accepting systems and designs it doesn't want like with Vikramditya (to be fair compromises were made on both sides but the end product is not ideal for the IN). The Russians can join the likes of the US, France and UK who can help India with its own ACC production but purchasing off the shelf and providing skills training and employment to another nation is not all that palatable for the IN Today.

 

[Twain]

Russians Discuss Future Aircraft Carrier Plans, Eyeing India





However, a high-ranking source in the Russian navy said that that service wants a ship “a lot more advanced than the one on offer” from Nevskoye. The Russian navy’s “dream” carrier would be armed with advanced self-defense systems able to intercept high-flying targets, including low-orbiting satellites. It should also have “underwater capability,” the source said, hinting at the ability of the carrier to carry advanced manned or unmanned submersible vessels. The navy expects the Nevskoye design house to complete the draft design of an advanced ship in 2014, then issue production documentation in time for Sevmash to begin construction in 2020.

Why would you waste space on long range surface to air missiles and subs on an aircraft carrier? The purpose of an aircraft carrier is to launch aircraft. It's dumb to waste deck and hangar space on SAM's and Subs. DDG's are a much more efficient platform for those jobs. Is this article actually serious? The russians are getting ready to refit the Kuznetzov now and they are removing capabilities like these in order to maximize hangar space, why would they take a step backward in their next carrier?

Now a question, does russia have a dry dock big enough to build an aircraft carrier? The Kuznetzov and Varyag were laid down in the Ukraine because no dry dock in Russia was big enough.

Sounds like a fanboy article to me.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Why would you waste space on long range surface to air missiles and subs on an aircraft carrier? The purpose of an aircraft carrier is to launch aircraft. It's dumb to waste deck and hangar space on SAM's and Subs. DDG's are a much more efficient platform for those jobs. Is this article actually serious? The russians are getting ready to refit the Kuznetzov now and they are removing capabilities like these in order to maximize hangar space, why would they take a step backward in their next carrier?

Now a question, does russia have a dry dock big enough to build an aircraft carrier? The Kuznetzov and Varyag were laid down in the Ukraine because no dry dock in Russia was big enough.

Sounds like a fanboy article to me.

Well Russian philosophy wrt ACCs has always been different to the Wests. Unlike the West (and India) the Russians wanted their ACCs to be self contained fighting sytems not relying on CBGs for protection like Western ACCs.

 

[Twain]

Well Russian philosophy wrt ACCs has always been different to the Wests. Unlike the West (and India) the Russians wanted their ACCs to be self contained fighting sytems not relying on CBGs for protection like Western ACCs.

Not anymore, they are refitting the Kuznetzov next year and removing all that crap

 

[Sergi]

a JV would be a good choice NOT buying