Russian Air Force Tests New Air-to-Air Missile

[praveen007]

Russian Air Force Tests New Air-to-Air Missile | idrw.org
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The Russian Air Force is testing and will soon deploy an advanced tactical air-to-air missile that will greatly enhance its operational effectiveness, the service’s commander Col Gen Alexander Zelin said on Tuesday.
The missile will be carried by MiG-31BM Foxhound supersonic interceptors/fighters and will subsequently be used by other warplanes, he said.
The weapon is “currently in trial at an Air Force test site,” Zelin said.
Zelin did not identify the missile but experts believe it could be the K-37M, also known as RVV-BD, or AA-X-13 Arrow as it is known to NATO.
The K-37M is a long-range air-to-air missile developed specifically for the MiG-31BM interceptor.
“A likely candidate is the Vympel (now part of TRV) K-37M long-range air-to-air missile. This is a successor to the R-33 (Nato codename AA-9 Amos) which was developed originally for the MiG-31 during the early 1970s,” said Douglas Barrie, an air warfare expert at the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies.
Work on the K-37 program began during the 1980s, but funding problems delayed its completion, he added. The design has also been further developed since its original conception.
The K-prefix denotes a weapon in development while the M indicates a modification. An export variant of the weapon, known as RVV-BD, was shown at MAKS 2011. The BD suffix may stand for the Russian words bolshoi dalnost, or long range.
“The K-37M – it will likely be known as the R-37M when it enters service – will be the primary air-to- air armament of the MiG-31BM, providing the Russian air force with an extended range interception capability against combat aircraft and cruise missiles,” Barrie said.

 

[xataxsata]

I think this missile have a 200 km range.

 

[Chogy]

There is a HUGE problem with extreme-ranged AAM's that can never be overcome, and that is, how such a missile deals with maneuvering targets. Without getting too technical, when the target changed heading by any significant amount, the missile must re-compute the intercept, and at extreme ranges, the correction the missile must take can be dozens of miles. More than one or two changes can cause a missile to run out of energy; the missile is kinematically defeated.

If the target continues straight-line, they can work, but you'll also have problems with radar return, getting sufficient reflected energy for anything other than command guidance. A giant MiG-31 antenna can see the target signal at 200 km, but a 20 cm missile antenna is going to have a much more difficult job.

I think there is going to be a practical limit to max range for this sort of missile of probably 50 nm. More than that, the probability of a hit is going to go way down.

 

[xataxsata]

There is a HUGE problem with extreme-ranged AAM's that can never be overcome, and that is, how such a missile deals with maneuvering targets. Without getting too technical, when the target changed heading by any significant amount, the missile must re-compute the intercept, and at extreme ranges, the correction the missile must take can be dozens of miles. More than one or two changes can cause a missile to run out of energy; the missile is kinematically defeated.

If the target continues straight-line, they can work, but you'll also have problems with radar return, getting sufficient reflected energy for anything other than command guidance. A giant MiG-31 antenna can see the target signal at 200 km, but a 20 cm missile antenna is going to have a much more difficult job.

I think there is going to be a practical limit to max range for this sort of missile of probably 50 nm. More than that, the probability of a hit is going to go way down.

I think they will be guided by AWACS.

And they will hunt in group.

 

[The enlightened]

There is a HUGE problem with extreme-ranged AAM's that can never be overcome, and that is, how such a missile deals with maneuvering targets. Without getting too technical, when the target changed heading by any significant amount, the missile must re-compute the intercept, and at extreme ranges, the correction the missile must take can be dozens of miles. More than one or two changes can cause a missile to run out of energy; the missile is kinematically defeated.

If the target continues straight-line, they can work, but you'll also have problems with radar return, getting sufficient reflected energy for anything other than command guidance. A giant MiG-31 antenna can see the target signal at 200 km, but a 20 cm missile antenna is going to have a much more difficult job.

I think there is going to be a practical limit to max range for this sort of missile of probably 50 nm. More than that, the probability of a hit is going to go way down.

Can a missile be made into a dual stage missile. First stage takes the missile as close as possible at extreme ranges, and then breaks of allowing the missile left, to undertake extreme manouvering.

 

[illuminatidinesh]

There is a HUGE problem with extreme-ranged AAM's that can never be overcome, and that is, how such a missile deals with maneuvering targets. Without getting too technical, when the target changed heading by any significant amount, the missile must re-compute the intercept, and at extreme ranges, the correction the missile must take can be dozens of miles. More than one or two changes can cause a missile to run out of energy; the missile is kinematically defeated.

If the target continues straight-line, they can work, but you'll also have problems with radar return, getting sufficient reflected energy for anything other than command guidance. A giant MiG-31 antenna can see the target signal at 200 km, but a 20 cm missile antenna is going to have a much more difficult job.

I think there is going to be a practical limit to max range for this sort of missile of probably 50 nm. More than that, the probability of a hit is going to go way down.

I think this is the reason the A-A missile phoenix was not successful?

 

[Chogy]

The Phoenix was a good missile for what it was designed for... large Soviet bombers. It was never designed to engage a maneuvering target.

Can a missile be made into a dual stage missile. First stage takes the missile as close as possible at extreme ranges, and then breaks of allowing the missile left, to undertake extreme manouvering.

It's possible, although it'd be very heavy and complex. The difficulty isn't so much getting the missile to the extreme ranges, it's appropriate guidance. You've got command guidance, semi-active radar, and active radar, and the latter two really only work well at closer ranges because the diameter of the missile antenna is so small.

 

[amalakas]

The Phoenix was a good missile for what it was designed for... large Soviet bombers. It was never designed to engage a maneuvering target.



It's possible, although it'd be very heavy and complex. The difficulty isn't so much getting the missile to the extreme ranges, it's appropriate guidance. You've got command guidance, semi-active radar, and active radar, and the latter two really only work well at closer ranges because the diameter of the missile antenna is so small.

Yet at the same time we are meant to use the same missile antenna for targeting and hitting stealth(y) targets.

how does that work?

and by that I mean how is the AiM-120 meant to hit something like the J-20 for example or the T-50?

or in my case , A Greek-Turkish confict is never out of the picture, how can JSFs hit JSFs with AiM-120s ?

i wonder...........

 

[Killswitch]

hm....

well at least the Russians are trying. Compared to America they have shoestring budgets so I have to commend them for their efforts.