Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

Dalit · Aug 1, 2022

ZeGerman said:
Source?

Apart from a few US news items about russia economy/material running out, the “western powers” were far from optimistic.
Expecting this to be a Crimea 2.0.
a quick win for russia.

U.S. intelligence agencies review what they got wrong on Russia's invasion of Ukraine

Ultimately, U.S. intelligence agencies underestimated Zelenskyy and Ukraine while overestimating Russia and its president, even as they accurately predicted Vladimir Putin would order an invasion.

www.pbs.org

So dont invent bullshit to suit your propaganda…

Support for ukraine as shown by polls remains firm.
As a result current sanctions/weapon shipments will continue on for the time being

This grain will greatly help third world nations not to starve.
You dont care for that, and are happy to see russia flatten cities in their 500 meter a day “conquest”.
You show yourself as someone of low morals…

Host families have less enthusiasm to take refugee Ukrainians into their homes

Host families affiliated with RefugeeHomeNL have less enthusiasm for receiving Ukrainian refugees. A spokesperson for the Red Cross confirms this after reporting by de Volkskrant . "There are also people who say very honestly: the conflict is taking too long."

Gastgezinnen hebben minder animo om gevluchte Oekraïners in huis te nemen

Gastgezinnen die aangesloten zijn bij RefugeeHomeNL hebben minder animo om Oekraïense vluchtelingen op te vangen. Dat bevestigt een woordvoerder van het Rode Kruis na berichtgeving van de Volkskrant. "Er zijn ook mensen die heel eerlijk zeggen: het conflict duurt te lang."

www.nu.nl

I can post many more links if you like.

It is a joy for every person from the developing world to see how arrogant Western powers ars licking their wounds. Russia is litetally pouncing Ukraine and the West is watching from the sidelines.

sammuel · Aug 1, 2022

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Russia needs more land from Ukraine ?

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ZeGerman · Aug 1, 2022

Dalit said:
Host families have less enthusiasm to take refugee Ukrainians into their homes

Host families affiliated with RefugeeHomeNL have less enthusiasm for receiving Ukrainian refugees. A spokesperson for the Red Cross confirms this after reporting by de Volkskrant . "There are also people who say very honestly: the conflict is taking too long."

Gastgezinnen hebben minder animo om gevluchte Oekraïners in huis te nemen

Gastgezinnen die aangesloten zijn bij RefugeeHomeNL hebben minder animo om Oekraïense vluchtelingen op te vangen. Dat bevestigt een woordvoerder van het Rode Kruis na berichtgeving van de Volkskrant. "Er zijn ook mensen die heel eerlijk zeggen: het conflict duurt te lang."

www.nu.nl

I can post many more links if you like.

I was asking for sources that the west expected russia to crash and burn in a month….

Support is reducing in west, however not to the amount that the current politics of sanctions and weapon support are changing.

Dalit said:
It is a joy for every person from the developing world to see how arrogant Western powers ars licking their wounds. Russia is litetally pouncing Ukraine and the West is watching from the sidelines.

Support is at the highest level bar from actual direct military involvement.

Which few have a stomach for considering russias nuclear threath.

Lehrasap · Aug 1, 2022

Dalit said:
I am talking generally. Germany is not the only country dealing with higher prices of commodities and energy. Don't blame Merkel. The whole world is dealing with higher energy prices because Russia Ukraine war had an impact. See, your plan to economically squeeze Russia into submission didn't work. Russia is able to finance the war and has significantly weakened Ukraine's Zelensky. Despite Western support for Ukraine.

I heard papa America is now picking fights with China LOL Even that didn't go to plan as Taiwan visit is off LOL

You are not wise enough to understand a simple thing, that our sacrifice is less or more, but we have to defeat Putin, otherwise Putin will bring many times more damage to us in the long run.

And in fact, we have not sacrificed anything significant up till now, but you are making an impression as if we have already lost to Putin.

You see, Soviet Union tried the same thing in Afghanistan, but failed after many years. Same will happen with Putin too. It will take some time, but Putin will come to his knees.

The SC · Aug 2, 2022

MeFishToo · Aug 2, 2022

Dalit said:
We will see man. Ukraine is another Afghanistan for the Western powers.

We all know russia wouldve lost the war in Ukraine already, if the united west decided to fight conventionally along the ukrainians. Not a single western soldier is taking part (yet). The ukrainians are doing the fighting with relatively small donations of NATO hardware, and Russia are having serious problems reaching their objectives (whatever they are). Id say its a bit premature calling Ukraine a western Afghanistan when its clearly the russians whove dived neck deep in the manure.

Dalit · Aug 2, 2022

MeFishToo said:
We all know russia wouldve lost the war in Ukraine already, if the united west decided to fight conventionally along the ukrainians. Not a single western soldier is taking part (yet). The ukrainians are doing the fighting with relatively small donations of NATO hardware, and Russia is having serious problems reaching their objectives (whatever they are). Id say its a bit premature callng Ukraine a western Afghanistan when its clearly the russians whove dived neck deep in the manure.

1. Russia is achieving its goals nevertheless.
2. Westerners got defeated in Afghanistan. Russia is a different ball game.

Russia hasn't even exerted full wrath yet. It doesn't need to. The current pace is?sufficient.

NotSure · Aug 2, 2022

sammuel said:
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Russia needs more land from Ukraine ?

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Ukraine is russian land since 1000 years, genius. Even the name says it ...

Dalit · Aug 2, 2022

Lehrasap said:
You are not wise enough to understand a simple thing, that our sacrifice is less or more, but we have to defeat Putin, otherwise Putin will bring many times more damage to us in the long run.

And in fact, we have not sacrificed anything significant up till now, but you are making an impression as if we have already lost to Putin.

You see, Soviet Union tried the same thing in Afghanistan, but failed after many years. Same will happen with Putin too. It will take some time, but Putin will come to his knees.

Your insignificant rant won't make an iota of difference. It is for everyone to see how Russia is taking on entire Western machinery and winning. The fact that you guys have to sign into a Pakistani defence forum and argue with others on a daily basis is enough indication. This is the most hilarious part.

MeFishToo · Aug 2, 2022

double post

Dalit · Aug 2, 2022

ZeGerman said:
I was asking for sources that the west expected russia to crash and burn in a month….

Support is reducing in west, however not to the amount that the current politics of sanctions and weapon support are changing.

Support is at the highest level bar from actual direct military involvement.

Which few have a stomach for considering russias nuclear threath.

Have a good look at many posts on this forum by Western members who used to brag that Russia would be defeated in a matter of few weeks. Today many of these members are rejoicing grain ships leaving Ukraine.

NotSure · Aug 2, 2022

Lehrasap said:
You are not wise enough to understand a simple thing, that our sacrifice is less or more, but we have to defeat Putin, otherwise Putin will bring many times more damage to us in the long run.

And in fact, we have not sacrificed anything significant up till now, but you are making an impression as if we have already lost to Putin.

WHO IS US? You are an iranian immigrant parroting angloid propaganda with the aim to divide and conquer, both Russia and Europe. You as a Jubelperser (google, what that is) understands a shit of european Interests and history. Stop teaching people here about it.

Lehrasap said:
You see, Soviet Union tried the same thing in Afghanistan, but failed after many years. Same will happen with Putin too. It will take some time, but Putin will come to his knees.

No it didn't tried the same in Afghanistan, complete different story, complete different background and so on. That's not apples and oranges, that something like apples and car tires or so. Sorry, but how uneducated and litteraly stupid you have to be, to say, Ukraine, which was 1000 years Russian, is the same like Afghanistan to Russia? Who teaches you such nonsense? Even the angloids aren't that stupid to say such things. This is on the level of ancient Ukropiteks 140.000 years ago invented the civilization ...

MeFishToo · Aug 2, 2022

sammuel said:
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Russia needs more land from Ukraine ?

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Watch GeoHistorys Origin of Russia, The russian Empire and the USSR. Thatll give you an understanding of Russia being the last empire left on this planet with a 19th century mentality. Yet none seems think thats a bad thing.