Russia to Explain Carrier Trials Failure to India in Oct.

[itaskol]

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Russia and India will discuss in October the situation around technical failures found in sea trials of an aircraft carrier refitted for India by a Russian shipyard.

The carrier Vikramaditya, formerly the Russian Navy’s Admiral Gorshkov, was supposed to be handed over to the Indians on December 4, after a refit which has suffered a series of cost and time overruns and frequently caused disputes between the customer and supplier.

The ship experienced problems with some of its new replacement boilers during sea trials in the White Sea last month, and will now need yet more repairs, Russian shipyard managers said this week.

The carrier is to be repaired by May 2013, United Shipbuilding Corporation President Andrei Dyachkov said.

“In our estimate, it will take from five to seven months to complete the repairs. The work is to be finished in May 2013,” he said, adding that the ship’s handover will be tentatively postponed by nine months.

There are a number of proposals for India that will help compensate for that, he said without elaborating.

In addition to the boilers, the sea trials showed other problems, including the ship's refrigerators and nitrogen generators, Dyachkov said.

He also said Chinese materials, specifically refractories that were used in manufacturing the boilers, were partially damaged during the trials.

“We plan to discuss our further cooperation in this project with our Indian colleagues at a meeting of the Russian-Indian intergovernmental commission on military-technical cooperation which will he held in Delhi in early October,” Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said.

No assessment has yet been made of the extent of the damage caused to the ship’s propulsion systems, he said, but added: “The fact that our quality is getting worse really is a problem.”

 

[Tshering22]

He also said Chinese materials, specifically refractories that were used in manufacturing the boilers, were partially damaged during the trials.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...r-trials-failure-india-oct.html#ixzz277qBRNaG

And the IN didn't know it?

There's more to it than mentioned.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

“We plan to discuss our further cooperation in this project with our Indian colleagues at a meeting of the Russian-Indian intergovernmental commission on military-technical cooperation which will he held in Delhi in early October,” Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said.

I'm wondering if India will be in the mood to discuss of further cooperation or if this mean more $$$ input if India want this project continue.

 

[cirr]

India has been made a victim of China by the weirdest way possible，

By the Russians！

 

[Thorough Pro]

And the IN didn't know it?

There's more to it than mentioned.

What else was IN expecting from Russia to fit in a FREE gift ACC in 2 billion dollars?

I still believe its a great deal, it would have required Russia to spend millions to decommission this junk yard, instead they disposed it for 2 billion dollars and now asking for more (probabl the progfit they would have made o 126 mmca deal.

 

[fallstuff]

Chinese bricks trolling the Indian AC.

 

[Juice]

Isn't this why you have sea trials?

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Isn't this why you have sea trials?

Nothing wrong with Sea trials but tragic to play a blaming game for the delay.

 

[rashtriya.rifles]

this must be the most idiotic excuse ever made

damn, where are the quality awards ?

 

[arcelite]

To eliminate problems happened to aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya (former Russian Admiral Gorshkov) being built for Indian Navy, Sevmash shipyard will need 6-10 months, a special panel was set to find out the reason of failures, said an insider in Russian defense ministry on Sept 17.

"The panel comprising representatives of United Shipbuilding Corporation, Rosoboronexport, Indian defense ministry and shipbuilding industry will begin inquiry into the accident reasons", the source told Interfax.

He pointed out that the ship was underway to Sevmash shipyard heading all alone.

"Disease is clear, as well as remedies", said the source.

According to him, it will take 6-10 months to eliminate the malfunction. "Sure, all those works will be done at Russia's cost", he said.

The interviewee noted that the problem was constructively put in the ship design as early as 2000 when the selection of steam boilers was in question. Traditionally, Russian shipbuilders use asbestos as thermal insulator for boilers, but Indian party wanted the ship not to contain asbestos materials.

A special boiler-design bureau replaced asbestos with another kind of thermal insulator, but had not performed all tests in full. As a result, at full speed insulation went out, and several boilers broke down.

According to the source, at low and half speed boilers operated normally.

The interviewee says some of eight boilers must be replaced now. He pointed out that the problems happened to seven boilers, but there is no need no change all of them.

Prior to that, experts of Sevmash shipyard refuted the media reports about seven boilers allegedly disabled on INS Vikramaditya.

"The information reported by one of media agencies about failed sea trials of the aircraft carrier is apparently exaggerated. So far, the ship has not returned to the dock. First conclusions will be made upon her arrival and propulsion testing", said the shipyard's representative.

As for him, the figures about number of broken boilers are "overstated" and conclusions about frustration of delivery date are "premature".

The interviewee pointed out that the organization responsible for the Indian contract was Rosoboronexport.

In its turn, press service of Rosoboronexport declined to comment the situation only saying that it was incorrect to talk about possible frustration of the carrier's delivery date until revealing of the failure cause.

As was earlier reported by Kommersant, Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov which is to change name for INS Vikramaditya after commission into Indian Navy, allegedly failed sea trials held in the Barents Sea. As for the newspaper, that will definitely affect the ship's delivery date.

According to Kommersant, during sea trials seven boilers went out of operation. "The accident will inevitably have an impact on the carrier's delivery date. By the most optimistic estimation, Indian Navy would receive the ship not earlier than Oct 2013", wrote the newspaper.

 

[arp2041]

What else was IN expecting from Russia to fit in a FREE gift ACC in 2 billion dollars?

I still believe its a great deal, it would have required Russia to spend millions to decommission this junk yard, instead they disposed it for 2 billion dollars and now asking for more (probabl the progfit they would have made o 126 mmca deal.

If a 45000 tonnes flat top, with it's complement of 20+ mig 29ks & 10 helos & a range of 13000 miles is a junk for u than i m sorry to say but u don't know anything about what an AC is. If it was junk than why the Russians were saying that if the IN will not pay extra amount on the INS Vikramaditya refurbishment they will induct the ship into Russian Navy?? maybe they love junks

 

[xuxu1457]

very interesting, pls look over the 4th page of the thread, itaskol you are really really a prophet

did you still remember what you had said before, at 16.09.2012, 6 days ago

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...ed-again-power-paralyzed-4.html#ixzz27BfzLVPL

let me tell you what will happen. russia will declare that it is india fault for not to use asbestos.so india must pay everything for repairing.

and india media will announce that the "firebrick" are made in china.......

 

[rashtriya.rifles]

very interesting, pls look over the 4th page of the thread, itaskol you are really really a prophet

did you still remember what you had said before, at 16.09.2012, 6 days ago

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...ed-again-power-paralyzed-4.html#ixzz27BfzLVPL

It was rosoboron's chief who said that those are made in China.. we only insisted in using bricks over asbestos not chinese made bricks..

So, there goes your prophetism down the drains..


on a second thought, why don't you prophesize about your Diyaou Island, I mean when will CPC get it back while you are at it

 

[faithfulguy]

If a 45000 tonnes flat top, with it's complement of 20+ mig 29ks & 10 helos & a range of 13000 miles is a junk for u than i m sorry to say but u don't know anything about what an AC is. If it was junk than why the Russians were saying that if the IN will not pay extra amount on the INS Vikramaditya refurbishment they will induct the ship into Russian Navy?? maybe they love junks

Maybe the are looking for an opportunity to cancel the deal so they can keep it. What wouldv India say? How much more do you need forg T-50? Russia is lucky to have a generous friend like India.

 

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members please pay attention to this link and posts (Which will be my comment here too)

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/163767-testing-indian-aircraft-carrier-barents-sea.html

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