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UNITED NATIONS — A Dutch-led investigation has concluded that the powerful surface-to-air missile system that was used to shoot down a Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine two years ago, killing all 298 on board, was trucked in from Russia at the request of Russian-backed separatists and returned to Russia the same night.

The report largely confirmed the already widely documented Russian government role not only in the deployment of the missile system, called a Buk, or SA-11, but the subsequent cover up, which continues to this day.

The report by a team of prosecutors from the Netherlands, Australia, Belgium, Malaysia and Ukraine was significant for applying standards of evidence admissible in court, while still building a case directly implicating Russia, and is likely to open a long diplomatic and legal struggle over the tragedy.

With meticulous detail, working with cellphone records, social media, witness accounts and other evidence, Dutch prosecutors traced Russia’s role in deploying the missile system into Ukraine and its attempt to cover its tracks after the disaster. The inquiry did not name individual culprits and stopped short of saying that Russian soldiers were involved.

A summary of the findings, obtained by The New York Times, was to be released at a news conference in The Hague on Wednesday. The inquiry represents the most detailed investigation to date of the attack on Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, a Boeing 777 flying to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia’s capital, from Amsterdam.

In Moscow on Wednesday, in anticipation of the release, President Vladimir V. Putin’s spokesman, Dmitri S. Peskov, issued a statement to reporters decrying “speculation” about the plane but it did not refer specifically to the report.

“This whole story, unfortunately, is couched in a huge amount of speculation, unqualified and unprofessional information,” he said. “There are irrefutable facts. In this case, it is important to draw conclusions with due account of the latest published information, that is, the primary data from radars that detected every airborne object that could take off or be in the airspace above militia-controlled territory,” he said.

Those radar images, released by the Russian military on Monday, showed nothing near the airliner, he said. “If any missile had existed, it could have been fired only from another territory. I do not say which exactly territory it could be. It is specialists’ business.”

The Dutch-led inquiry seems to refute that claim, as well as a series of sometimes contradictory explanations and chains of events floated by the Kremlin, including that the C.I.A. filled a drone airliner with bodies and crashed it to discredit Russia, or that Ukrainians were trying to shoot down the airplane of Mr. Putin, but hit the civilian airliner instead.

That image contradicted a similar radar image that Russian officials showed two years ago. That depicted two dots — one for the airliner and a second for a Ukrainian fighter jet that Russia suggested could have shot down the passenger plane.

The destruction of Flight 17, on July 17, 2014, came amid intense fighting between Ukrainian forces and rebels, backed by Russia, in eastern Ukraine. It deepened the already strained relations between Russia and the West. Among the casualties, the largest group were Dutch.

Just a few days later, the United States government concluded that the plane had been brought down by a Russian-made surface-to-air missile launched from rebel-held territory and most likely provided by Russia to pro-Moscow separatists.

The Dutch Safety Board determined in October that the plane had been shot down by a missile fired from a Buk surface-to-air system.

The report of the Joint Investigation Team, led by the Netherlands’ chief public prosecutor, Fred Westerbeke, corroborated that finding. It concluded that the weapon used in the attack had been brought to Ukraine from Russia, though it drew no conclusions about who gave the orders to move the weapon and — most important — to shoot.

The investigators did, however, provide a timeline leading up to the destruction of the plane.

First, in intercepted telephone conversations from the evening before the attack, separatists in eastern Ukraine are heard requesting the Buk missile system in order to defend themselves from Ukrainian airstrikes. Later that night, according to the intercepted conversations, they were told they would receive the weapons system that night.

Second, the investigation found that a convoy of trucks brought the missile system, along with a large military vehicle that is used to launch the missiles, from the Russian border to the spot from which the missile was launched. The team said it used intercepted phone calls, social media posts and witness testimony to piece together the route that the convoy took. It stopped in Donetsk, in eastern Ukraine, the investigation found, where several witnesses saw the trucks, including a white one carrying the missile-launching vehicle.

Third, the inquiry identified a patch of farmland where the missile was launched, about eight miles southeast from where the plane crashed.

Finally, the investigation pieced together what it said was the path the missile system took on its way back to the Russian border. The team said it had spoken to a separatist who confirmed a part of the return route.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/w...-flight-mh17-russia-ukraine-missile.html?_r=0
 
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37495067

It was obvious from the start, when reports of happy rebels emerged
where the rebels thought they shot down an Ukrainan fighter.

If they have claimed that it was a mistake, then they would be off the hook.
Now, they are open to lawsuits, and so is Russia as an accomplice.

Bringing military equipment accross the border amounts to an invasion.
But the lack of respect for human rights is shown by the Russian Air Force
in Syria, where bombing hospitals is the rule, and not the exception.
 
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So lets see what Netherlands will do against russia ahaha, when it comes to Erdogan they are barking but putin?
 
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Russians being criminals,nothing new here,this is what that gas station passing itself as a country it's all about.It was an open secret since the russkie backed terrorists were bragging on twiter about the downing.
 
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37495067

It was obvious from the start, when reports of happy rebels emerged
where the rebels thought they shot down an Ukrainan fighter.

If they have claimed that it was a mistake, then they would be off the hook.
Now, they are open to lawsuits, and so is Russia as an accomplice.

Bringing military equipment accross the border amounts to an invasion.
But the lack of respect for human rights is shown by the Russian Air Force
in Syria, where bombing hospitals is the rule, and not the exception.



Oh please, the NATO coalition has obliterated afghan villages, killed hundreds of thousand in Iraq, killed hundreds in Yugoslavia and now they shed crocodile tears :lol:

I have lost count of how many times NATO forces bombed hospitals, they are even incopedent enough to hit Syrian soldiers for an hour after the fact that Russian informed them they were bombing Syrian soldiers shortly after the attack started.



yes it all Russia's fault because the US never lies or tries to smear it's enemies. When you get caught making stories up such a getting a girl to fabricate fairytales about Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators to congress, weapons of mass destruction and the blatant fiasco the US had in the Ukrainian coup no one tends to believe you.

Russia baadddd.....team NATO goooodddd!!!!!
 
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Oh please, the NATO coalition has obliterated afghan villages, killed hundreds of thousand in Iraq, killed hundreds in Yugoslavia and now they shed crocodile tears :lol:

I have lost count of how many times NATO forces bombed hospitals, they are even incopedent enough to hit Syrian soldiers for an hour after the fact that Russian informed them they were bombing Syrian soldiers shortly after the attack started.



yes it all Russia's fault because the US never lies or tries to smear it's enemies. When you get caught making stories up such a getting a girl to fabricate fairytales about Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators to congress, weapons of mass destruction and the blatant fiasco the US had in the Ukrainian coup no one tends to believe you.

Russia baadddd.....team NATO goooodddd!!!!!
Who do you think shot down the plane ?
 
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Oh please, the NATO coalition has obliterated afghan villages, killed hundreds of thousand in Iraq, killed hundreds in Yugoslavia and now they shed crocodile tears :lol:

I have lost count of how many times NATO forces bombed hospitals, they are even incopedent enough to hit Syrian soldiers for an hour after the fact that Russian informed them they were bombing Syrian soldiers shortly after the attack started.



yes it all Russia's fault because the US never lies or tries to smear it's enemies. When you get caught making stories up such a getting a girl to fabricate fairytales about Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators to congress, weapons of mass destruction and the blatant fiasco the US had in the Ukrainian coup no one tends to believe you.

Russia baadddd.....team NATO goooodddd!!!!!


The thread is about Flight17 and its 300 passengers killed by Russia,stop changing the subject with iritating rants.
 
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The thread is about Flight17 and its 300 passengers killed by Russia,stop changing the subject with iritating rants.


what subject did I change to? Maybe you should learn to read before opening your mouth. The Swed mentioned Syria (not me) and criticized Russia in Syria but always defends NATO no matter how many countries NATO invades and no matter how many people NATO kills.
 
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Lol Everybody knew this already. What's new there?
The (mountain of) evidence that is brought forward by the criminal investigation that substantiates what was already suspected. This is not internet enthousiasts but experienced criminal investigators. It gets more difficult to deny. Also, every new 'theory' put forward by Russia (how many now?) weakens their position. Or 'last minute new evidence' (if they have evidence proving their innocence, why haven't they put it forward earlier?).

So lets see what Netherlands will do against russia ahaha, when it comes to Erdogan they are barking but putin?
hahaha. The Netherlands isn't going to do anything. The better the legal case and evidence, the more likely an international tribunal. hehehe.

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ps. why don't you yourself go bark someplace else.

Oh please, the NATO coalition has obliterated afghan villages, killed hundreds of thousand in Iraq, killed hundreds in Yugoslavia and now they shed crocodile tears :lol:

I have lost count of how many times NATO forces bombed hospitals, they are even incopedent enough to hit Syrian soldiers for an hour after the fact that Russian informed them they were bombing Syrian soldiers shortly after the attack started.

yes it all Russia's fault because the US never lies or tries to smear it's enemies. When you get caught making stories up such a getting a girl to fabricate fairytales about Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators to congress, weapons of mass destruction and the blatant fiasco the US had in the Ukrainian coup no one tends to believe you.

Russia baadddd.....team NATO goooodddd!!!!!
Oh please..... we're all bad, so that makes Russia good. (you do realize your post is implicitly acknowledging that the claim of Russian involvment is correct?)

Anyway: OFF TOPIC

what subject did I change to? Maybe you should learn to read before opening your mouth. The Swed mentioned Syria (not me) and criticized Russia in Syria but always defends NATO no matter how many countries NATO invades and no matter how many people NATO kills.
Again, your postings actuall signal your acknowledgement of Russian involvement in the downing of MH17. So, maybe you should think before opening your mouth.

Have a nice day!
 
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The (mountain of) evidence that is brought forward by the criminal investigation that substantiates what was already suspected. This is not internet enthousiasts but experienced criminal investigators. It gets more difficult to deny. Also, every new 'theory' put forward by Russia (how many now?) weakens their position. Or 'last minute new evidence' (if they have evidence proving their innocence, why haven't they put it forward earlier?).


hahaha. The Netherlands isn't going to do anything. The better the legal case and evidence, the more likely an international tribunal. hehehe.

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ps. why don't you yourself go bark someplace else.


Oh please..... we're all bad, so that makes Russia good. (you do realize your post is implicitly acknowledging that the claim of Russian involvment is correct?)

Anyway: OFF TOPIC


Again, your postings actuall signal your acknowledgement of Russian involvement in the downing of MH17. So, maybe you should think before opening your mouth.

Have a nice day!



I never argued as the who downed what. In fact I have stated many times that Russia has provided weapons to the rebels.

What is funny is the moral police jumping in trying to lecture others but will never admit to the autrosities of dropping nukes on cities, killing hundreds of thousands in Vietnam, invading Iraq twice, Afghanistan, bombing Lybia, Yugoslavia, ect.
 
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I never argued as the who downed what. In fact I have stated many times that Russia has provided weapons to the rebels.

What is funny is the moral police jumping in trying to lecture others but will never admit to the autrosities of dropping nukes on cities, killing hundreds of thousands in Vietnam, invading Iraq twice, Afghanistan, bombing Lybia, Yugoslavia, ect.
What morale jumping police. A formal international criminal investigative team has presented its results. The evidence speaks for itself. I don't see anyone here deny that the US dropped 2 nuclear bombs at the end of WW2. Or the US role in Vietnam. Or in any of the other places you mention. Please quote where that happened.
 
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What morale jumping police. A formal international criminal investigative team has presented its results. The evidence speaks for itself. I don't see anyone here deny that the US dropped 2 nuclear bombs at the end of WW2. Or the US role in Vietnam. Or in any of the other places you mention. Please quote where that happened.



You're obviously not understand the context of the conversation that or you have not read all the comments. One member here scoulded Russia for its role in Syria, i quoted him and countered by mentioning what NATO has done. More then fair considering that the member is a pro NATO supporter. It's amazing how NATO stooges are quick to give lessons in morality but have no moral grounds themselves.
 
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Oh please, the NATO coalition has obliterated afghan villages, killed hundreds of thousand in Iraq, killed hundreds in Yugoslavia and now they shed crocodile tears :lol:

I have lost count of how many times NATO forces bombed hospitals, they are even incopedent enough to hit Syrian soldiers for an hour after the fact that Russian informed them they were bombing Syrian soldiers shortly after the attack started.



yes it all Russia's fault because the US never lies or tries to smear it's enemies. When you get caught making stories up such a getting a girl to fabricate fairytales about Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators to congress, weapons of mass destruction and the blatant fiasco the US had in the Ukrainian coup no one tends to believe you.

Russia baadddd.....team NATO goooodddd!!!!!


In WW2 a British soldier said, ‘when we fire the Germans duck, when the Germans fire we duck, when the Americans fire everyone ducks’.

But no, they have not killed 100s of thousands.

https://www.iraqbodycount.org/ claims that about 15k civilian killed attributable to coalition forces,
most during the 2003 war.
That is 13% of those killed, the majority beeing killed by fellow Iraqis.

Friendly Fire and blatant mistakes are integral to war, but civilian deaths
are only illegal when an attack is made vs a known non-military target,.
Claiming that civilians is not informative to whether a war crime has been committed or not.
Attacks on hospitals are legal, after a complex procedure determines that military
positions are present, and plan to remain to be present.

The Kunduz Hospital attack, was investigated and admitted to be a mistake,
and the US is spending 5,7M$ to rebuild.

Russians strike hospitals each and every day in Syria.
I doubt any compensation will be payed, because Russia does not care.

The US payed compensation to Iran, when shooting down an airliner by mistake.
When are Russia, first going to admit their mistake, then pay up?

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You're obviously not understand the context of the conversation that or you have not read all the comments. One member here scoulded Russia for its role in Syria, i quoted him and countered by mentioning what NATO has done. More then fair considering that the member is a pro NATO supporter. It's amazing how NATO stooges are quick to give lessons in morality but have no moral grounds themselves.
I've read all. If your response was to "But the lack of respect for human rights is shown by the Russian Air Force in Syria, where bombing hospitals is the rule, and not the exception." then just quote that and show why you think that is NOT true. and aks the other poster to substantiate his claim.

If you claim NATO bombed (numerous!) hospitals, then you need to please also substantiate.

Here's one example from Afghanistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike
Here's 2 incidents from Yugoslavia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil...Force#7_May_1999:_Cluster_bombing_of_Ni.C5.A1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil...d_Force#19_May_1999:_Belgrade_hospital_strike
I think, if you study these, you will find these are not intentional but rather accidental incidents. That sucks but is different from repeated intentional bombings of hospitals (i.e. not policy).

If you compare what happened during a declared state of war (WW2 Hirishoma/Nagasaki) with MH17, that's quite silly. Again, no one here said anything to deny the US role in any of the other places you mentioned.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-s...he-west-u-s-intel-report-finds-203421008.html

So.... without further ado,

Can we now PLEASE let this thread go back to topic i.e. the JIT report on MH17?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dutch-led-team-release-initial-mh17-criminal-probe-025510278.html

The Russian government has opposed the interim verdict, with Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov telling the BBC that the verdict was only “preliminary” and was not the “final truth”.

He gave conflicting answers on the BBC’s HardTalk program, saying that “there is nothing to accept or deny” about the verdict until it is final, and that it could be true or could not be. His cagey responses on the British broadcaster’s airtime clashed with his more confident statement to Russian state media earlier that day when he said that Russian radar data indicated no missiles were launched from rebel-held territory on the day of the downing.

“Therefore if there was a missile, then it was launched from elsewhere,” he said. “I will not say from where—that is for experts to say.”

Peskov was referring to radar data that Russian defense officials chose to make public on Russian television, the day before the JIT was due to give its preliminary verdict.
http://europe.newsweek.com/russia-d...esponsibility-ukraine-separatist-504111?rm=eu

Cute how they DIDN'T release that radar data to the investigators but put it on TV a day before the report.
 
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