Russia has natural resources. China has human resources

[Nan Yang]

It wasn't subject to US laws. The Dutch government was given an intelligence briefing on the security implications of allowing such a machine to be freely available to the Chinese/Russian military...and they were the ones that stopped it.

ASML CEO Says Trying to Control Chip Sales to China Won’t Work​

• CEO says China will develop its chip equipment eventually
• Company cannot sell advanced chip equipment to Chinese firms

Export controls against China will not only fail to halt its technological progress but also hurt the U.S. economy, ASML Holding NV Chief Executive Officer Peter Wennink said, after trade tensions between Washington and Beijing led to restrictions on the sale of the Dutch company’s advanced chip equipment to Chinese firms.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

what's NWO ? New world order ? The first thing China has to do is to recover Taiwan soon, otherwise, that renegade province will become an anti-China bastion used by US and Japan to destroy China or to lock it up in first islands chian just as NATO and US is using Ukraine to destroy Russia or choke it to death. Mao once said that Taiwan is a dagger used by US that is pointing at China's belly, the other two being Korea pointing at the head and Vietnam pointing at the feet.

The decisive battle is quite near.

It is inevitable that the old order and the new order will collide into a big bang.

 

[F-22Raptor]

The critical bit is China right now "good enough"?

That does not need 15-20 years but they are either there or at most 5 years away.

China has pretty much solved the issues it has had with jet engines and semiconductors over the last 5 - 10 years.

You should not judge China like you do with other countries as it's economic and human resources are on a much higher level.

China is at minimum 20-30 years behind the US in jet engine technology. In semiconductors, 5-10 years, which is essentially ages behind.

As a recent report from Peking Uni stated: relative to the US, China is behind in most fields, equal in a few, and ahead in very few. Considering the source, this is the most accurate assessment I've seen. And this report was actually deleted by the CCP.

 

[UKBengali]

China is at minimum 20-30 years behind the US in jet engine technology. In semiconductors, 5-10 years, which is essentially ages behind.

As a recent report from Peking Uni stated: relative to the US, China is behind in most fields, equal in a few, and ahead in very few. Considering the source, this is the most accurate assessment I've seen. And this report was actually deleted by the CCP.

I would not disagree with what you say.

Even if China is 25-30 years behind in jet engine tech, then we are looking at mid-1990s US level.

Think where the US was in 1995 - they made pretty decent engines for everything aerospace related and even had prototype 5th gen engines flying on the prototype YF-22 and YF-23 fighters.

Like I say China is "good enough" and they will slowly close the gap with the US over time.

 

[F-22Raptor]

The decisive battle is quite near.

It is inevitable that the old order and the new order will collide into a big bang.

The result will be Chinas humiliation, just as we're seeing now in Ukraine for Russia. And Chinas military has even less experience than Russias.

 

[SQ8]

The result will be Chinas humiliation, just as we're seeing now in Ukraine for Russia. And Chinas military has even less experience than Russias.

I wouldn’t discount it just that easily. The Russian military was the Russian military and uses itself as the role model, the Chinese have taken the US military as the one to imitate and beat.
Jingoism has never been the hallmark of our military, lets not pretend for the sake of online chest beating.

 

[etylo]

The decisive battle is quite near.

It is inevitable that the old order and the new order will collide into a big bang.

China has to develop a lot more nuclear weapons, missiles and nuclear ballistic submarines first to have credible deterrance against USA from launch a nuclear or conventional attack on China when showdown comes on Taiwan or South China Sea. The decision makers in China must realize that the 400 nuclear weapons that China is now believed widely by US army to possess is definitely not enough, at least 1000 nuclear weapons are needed by China to put the country on parity with USA to totally destroy USA in case of all out war. This is the only way the US and the West will come to their senses when dealing with China.

 

[etylo]

The result will be Chinas humiliation, just as we're seeing now in Ukraine for Russia. And Chinas military has even less experience than Russias.

Yeah, you Yankees haven't learn any lesson from the Korea war and Vietnam war yet. Now, you Yankees want to militarily intervene in Chinese affairs to risk an all out nuclear war with China ?

 

[kankan326]

The result will be Chinas humiliation, just as we're seeing now in Ukraine for Russia. And Chinas military has even less experience than Russias.

Americans were very optimistic when the covid just broke out. They thought the virus would destroy China while US could handle it easily. US war experiences with weak countries are not so useful when it comes to big country like China. Actually war with covid is more similar to the war between two big powers. Just take the covid as one biological weapon attack. China won. US lost. Similarly, when China and US both are attacked by other massive destruction weapons. China will be still well organized while US would be probably in chaos

 

[WotTen]

Even if China is 25-30 years behind in jet engine tech, then we are looking at mid-1990s US level.

It's worse than that. China may be catching up in military jet engines, but civilian jet engines have different requirements and China has a long, long way to go.

As I understand the latest civilian passenger airliner built by China has over 90% Western parts, from engine to frame to just about everything that matters.

The result will be Chinas humiliation, just as we're seeing now in Ukraine for Russia. And Chinas military has even less experience than Russias.

The main reason the Ukraine war is dragging out is because Russia is not raining down indiscriminate death and destruction in Ukraine as the did in Syria, Chechnya and Afghanistan.

The reason, of course, is that Russia knows massive casualties of white Christian civilians in Europe will not be shrugged off by the Western media as a page-three blurb.

 

[Beast]

Many Americans said their lives were good when there was no Chinese goods. But things changed.

1, The global GDP scale is much bigger than 30 years ago. Today's multi times scale of products output makes raw materials much more expensive than 30 years ago. Without made-in-China, US middle class can not sustain today's living standard.
2, US social structure changed drastically. Few rich people control much more social fortune now. Which means big part of US middle class would disappear without China.
3, US labors working ethnic has changed. They are spoiled compared to 30 years ago. American students are keen on lawyer, doctor, financial professions. US can never go back to the biggest manufacture power again. Because few people are willing to work in factories.
4, Now China is already there. When a new power emerges, it changes everything. You can not go back to the time when the variable didn't exist.

US shall kowtow and thank China for helping US maintained the standard of living for past 3 decades.

Similarly, when China and US both are attacked by other massive destruction weapons. China will be still well organized while US would be probably in chaos

A single DF-41 with 10 MIRV that each contain 3 megaton nuke warhead are enough to wipe out most US. Those survive from first strike will most likely suffer from nuclear fallout. There is no winner from nuke strike exchange between China and USA. But american are more coward than Chinese. So unlikely US will go nuke way to deal with Chinese.

 

[etylo]

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As I understand the latest civilian passenger airliner built by China has over 90% Western parts, from engine to frame to just about everything that matters.

No, it's more like 40% of C919 parts are imported from the West. It's normal for airline companies to import parts from other countries, even Boeing is so. The engines are imported from USA for now, later will be replaced with domestically produced ones.

 

[Song Hong]

What I gather from Internet (I am no proxy to state secret) is, contemporary China military Jet Engine is about the same as Russian. Thats why Y20 replaces Russian D-30 with WS 20. At least the nameplate specs fulfill PLA specification.

Similarly J20 uses WS10.

One speculated draw back is the lifetime of Chinese jet engine. We know F35 Pratt & Whitney F135 can last 10,000 hours. For Chinese 3000 hours is good enough as per now.

 

[iiowelo]

I am waiting for the day when UN, IMF, WB are not based in the United States but in China, Russia or North Korea before I call it an end of Western domination or beginning of a new era.

The languauge of international aviation had better change to Mandarin or Russian first, as well. The Chicago Convention makes it clear that only English shall be the language of aviation. That made it (English language) overwhelmingly dominant in all forms of commerce, trade, scientific publications, for global mass media and international exchanges. The global lingua franca is English.

The Chinese or other East Asians are always found copying and playing catch up. Not until they come up with novel ideas that the West is seen imitating and new areas where the West is seen playing catch up can we say the Chinese have arrived.

Not yet, certainly.

 

[Song Hong]

I am waiting for the day when UN, IMF, WB are not based in the United States but in China, Russia or North Korea before I call it an end of Western domination or beginning of a new era.

The languauge of international aviation had better change to Mandarin or Russian first, as well. The Chicago Convention makes it clear that only English shall be the language of aviation. That made it (English language) overwhelmingly dominant in all forms of commerce, trade, scientific publications, for global mass media and international exchanges. The global lingua franca is English.

The Chinese or other East Asians are always found copying and playing catch up. Not until they come up with novel ideas that the West is seen imitating and new areas where the West is seen playing catch up can we say the Chinese have arrived.

Not yet, certainly.

The West meteoric rise is past 500 years events. For most of human existence, China is world most advance nation.