Russia, China back India for greater role at UN

[ironman]

Russia, China back India for greater role at UN​

Yekaterinburg (PTI): Russia and China on Tuesday backed India's aspirations to play a greater role in United Nations affairs.

"We reiterate the importance we attach to the status of India and Brazil in international affairs, and understand and support their aspirations to play a greater role in the UN," said a joint statement issued after the first summit meeting of leaders of Brazil, Russia, India and China (BRIC) here.

Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da'Silva, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Chinese President Hu Jintao expressed their commitment to multilateral diplomacy and comprehensive UN reforms.

"We express our strong commitment to multilateral diplomacy with the United Nations playing the central role in dealing with global challenges and threats," they said.

The leaders of the four countries reaffirmed the need for a comprehensive reform of the UN.

 

[Communist]

Yes but the game will begin when India will start pushing America's and Israel's interests there in the UN.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

i think the india has the potential to earn the SC permanent member seat in the UN. Having said that its up to the GOI to act maturely and make some tough descisions like Kashmir . And it should play its part to promote the Asian unity instead of dining in the west camp.

 

[Spitfighter]

Yes but the game will begin when India will start pushing America's and Israel's interests there in the UN.

what makes you think India has some profound love for America and Israel?

India has its own goals and motivations, we support those who support us, India and the US can find some common ground today, there is a lot we can gain from Israel and the US but that doesn't mean we'd shoot ourselves in the foot, we'll side with them as long as it makes sense for us, does it really look like we're ruled by a bunch of puppets?

India and Russia are busy trying to map out future plans for a strategic partnership that would benefit both countries and here you are making pointless generalizations.

A multi-polar world makes as much sense to India as it does to Russia and China.

 

[Desertfalcon]

I agree Spitfire. I have been somewhat surprised since joining this site that many members assume that India and America are so close in their interest. That has definitely not been the case in the past and would surprise other Americans as well. Even with the military embargo that has been applied in the past to Pakistan, it is generally thought that America has tilted pretty far toward Pakistan. The relationship with India today is the result, I think, of the rapid expansion of Indian economic and military power. I suspect that India will also eventually become a permanent member of the UNSC as Mr. Nitro inferred above.

 

[Communist]

I agree Spitfire. I have been somewhat surprised since joining this site that many members assume that India and America are so close in their interest. That has definitely not been the case in the past and would surprise other Americans as well. Even with the military embargo that has been applied in the past to Pakistan, it is generally thought that America has tilted pretty far toward Pakistan. The relationship with India today is the result, I think, of the rapid expansion of Indian economic and military power. I suspect that India will also eventually become a permanent member of the UNSC as Mr. Nitro inferred above.

Actually our problem, Sir, is that we do not forget history.

India is a mere proxy of America. It all began in 1962 with the Sino-Indian war which provided an opportunity for Britain and the US to support India against China. I do not know why US hates China so much. There may be an element of racism or something like that. It seems to me a notorious abnormal mentality. In the wake of the 1962 Sino-Indian war, however, India sought large-scale military aid from the United States and other Western powers. She also made desperate appeals for direct American intervention in the war with squadrons of bombers and fighter planes. Though the then Indian Prime Minister Nehru claimed that India was non-aligned. But the claim was not valid. As a matter of fact, in the wake of the 1962 Sino-Indian war, India actually followed a policy of bi-alignment (or double alignment) with the United States and the Soviet Union against China.

Mc Mohan line represents an imperial sign of aggression of the British empire and America recognized that imperial line!!! The USA!!?? The USA herself fought against British colonialism!!! Now The same USA is supporting an imperial sign of aggression!!! I do not know what I should call it, double standard or something else... but it sucks..!!!

A leaked US National Security Council Study shows this comment,

"India can become an important asset in our confrontation with China. The problem is how the west can exploit this sudden opportunity".

No further question of mutual trust can be there Sir... So whether India becomes a permanent member anywhere in the world, It will remain as a dangerous proxy and nothing more...

 

[Spitfighter]

Actually our problem, Sir, is that we do not forget history.

India is a mere proxy of America. It all began in 1962 with the Sino-Indian war which provided an opportunity for Britain and the US to support India against China. I do not know why US hates China so much. There may be an element of racism or something like that. It seems to me a notorious abnormal mentality. In the wake of the 1962 Sino-Indian war, however, India sought large-scale military aid from the United States and other Western powers. She also made desperate appeals for direct American intervention in the war with squadrons of bombers and fighter planes. Though the then Indian Prime Minister Nehru claimed that India was non-aligned. But the claim was not valid. As a matter of fact, in the wake of the 1962 Sino-Indian war, India actually followed a policy of bi-alignment (or double alignment) with the United States and the Soviet Union against China.

Mc Mohan line represents an imperial sign of aggression of the British empire and America recognized that imperial line!!! The USA!!?? The USA herself fought against British colonialism!!! Now The same USA is supporting an imperial sign of aggression!!! I do not know what I should call it, double standard or something else... but it sucks..!!!

A leaked US National Security Council Study shows this comment,

"India can become an important asset in our confrontation with China. The problem is how the west can exploit this sudden opportunity".

No further question of mutual trust can be there Sir... So whether India becomes a permanent member anywhere in the world, It will remain as a dangerous proxy and nothing more...

I'll give you the benefit of doubt, maybe you didn't read Desert Falcon's response correctly or you forgot what the topic was completely, either way, all of what you have said has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

India is not an American proxy, at least not yet, when have we ever done anything for the Americans without due compensation? How exactly did you come to this conclusion?

India has its own reasons to be concerned about China's sudden rise to power, we are their neighbors, they aren't exactly friendly, so India has good reasons to be worried. Now if the Americans happen to feel the same way and offer us help it doesn't mean we've suddenly become America's ******, its a mutually beneficial relationship, China has to worry about a stronger India, and India is more capable of defending itself.

American proxy, what garbage...

You think India will attack China if China attacks Taiwan/America?

What makes you think India isn't simply trying to bolster her own defenses and expand clout by playing on American fears?

 

[Desertfalcon]

Actually our problem, Sir, is that we do not forget history.

India is a mere proxy of America. It all began in 1962 with the Sino-Indian war which provided an opportunity for Britain and the US to support India against China. I do not know why US hates China so much. There may be an element of racism or something like that. It seems to me a notorious abnormal mentality. In the wake of the 1962 Sino-Indian war, however, India sought large-scale military aid from the United States and other Western powers. She also made desperate appeals for direct American intervention in the war with squadrons of bombers and fighter planes. Though the then Indian Prime Minister Nehru claimed that India was non-aligned. But the claim was not valid. As a matter of fact, in the wake of the 1962 Sino-Indian war, India actually followed a policy of bi-alignment (or double alignment) with the United States and the Soviet Union against China. You said, "

Mc Mohan line represents an imperial sign of aggression of the British empire and America recognized that imperial line!!! The USA!!?? The USA herself fought against British colonialism!!! Now The same USA is supporting an imperial sign of aggression!!! I do not know what I should call it, double standard or something else... but it sucks..!!!

A leaked US National Security Council Study shows this comment,

"India can become an important asset in our confrontation with China. The problem is how the west can exploit this sudden opportunity".

No further question of mutual trust can be there Sir... So whether India becomes a permanent member anywhere in the world, It will remain as a dangerous proxy and nothing more...

Oh my. Where to begin? Your history is very far off the mark. We do not "hate" China. We have a long and close relationship with China. We "hate" communism. As China is scarcely even communist in name, much of our problems with them ended with the Cold War. Have you been to China recently? Anti China? Ha! Good grief, you can't go anywhere in Beijing or Shanghai without tripping over Americans! Every possible American company does business in China. Chinese banks are our bankers. Every product I buy at Walmarts is "made in China". America has the largest population of ethnic Chinese outside of Asia. We luv the Chinese. We and the UK backed India during the Sino-Indian war, because it was China that ruthlessly attacked India. The USA is not the UK! If you have a problem with British imperialism of the past...take it up with an Englishman. We also, freed ourselves from British imperialism and to equate my country with them is ridiculous. You say that India made "desperate appeals" to the US for arms and support. What did she get for it? Nothing! The only American squadrons based in the region after WWII has been in Pakistan! We sided with Pakistan in the India/Pakistan dispute. It is Pakistan that received a constant stream of arms, supplies, and support from America. From F-86 fighters to bullets and bandages, America stood by Pakistan even when many in America did not want it. Until the development of nuclear weapons by both India and Pakistan, we clearly sided with Islamabad. I have no idea how you can be so ill-informed of these facts.

 

[idune]

First of all source of the news is PTI = Propaganda Transmitter of India. Second there was no official communication by any of these countries of their backing.

Until then treat the news as manufactured one...

Besides, how a country like india which had been using bully, oppressive, threating military aggression and promoting terrorism against its neighbors can get SC seat?

 

[Spitfighter]

First of all source of the news is PTI = Propaganda Transmitter of India. Second there was no official communication by any of these countries of their backing.

Until then treat the news as manufactured one...

Besides, how a country like india which had been using bully, oppressive, threating military aggression and promoting terrorism against its neighbors can get SC seat?

The same way the evil Americans and your saintly 'Chinese brothers' have.

 

[third eye]

First of all source of the news is PTI = Propaganda Transmitter of India. Second there was no official communication by any of these countries of their backing.

Until then treat the news as manufactured one...

Besides, how a country like india which had been using bully, oppressive, threating military aggression and promoting terrorism against its neighbors can get SC seat?[/QUOTE]

Look the 5 premanent members :

1 US : Hated round the world, "promotes ' confilct world wide.
2. Russia: In permanent conflict with NATO & its western republics, cuts off gas supply at will to the west etc.
3. China : Has had conflicts with India, Vietnam, Russia, japan..
4. France & GB : Held colonial territories till the 60's even after the UN came to being. GB has the same credentials as the US in as much that " every where that Mary went, the lamb was sure to go".

Now, why can't India ?

 

[notsuperstitious]

Oh my. Where to begin? Your history is very far off the mark. We do not "hate" China. We have a long and close relationship with China. We "hate" communism. As China is scarcely even communist in name, much of our problems with them ended with the Cold War. Have you been to China recently? Anti China? Ha! Good grief, you can't go anywhere in Beijing or Shanghai without tripping over Americans! Every possible American company does business in China. Chinese banks are our bankers. Every product I buy at Walmarts is "made in China". America has the largest population of ethnic Chinese outside of Asia. We luv the Chinese. We and the UK backed India during the Sino-Indian war, because it was China that ruthlessly attacked India. The USA is not the UK! If you have a problem with British imperialism of the past...take it up with an Englishman. We also, freed ourselves from British imperialism and to equate my country with them is ridiculous. You say that India made "desperate appeals" to the US for arms and support. What did she get for it? Nothing! The only American squadrons based in the region after WWII has been in Pakistan! We sided with Pakistan in the India/Pakistan dispute. It is Pakistan that received a constant stream of arms, supplies, and support from America. From F-86 fighters to bullets and bandages, America stood by Pakistan even when many in America did not want it. Until the development of nuclear weapons by both India and Pakistan, we clearly sided with Islamabad. I have no idea how you can be so ill-informed of these facts.

Well said Sir.

Its fashionable here to call India American proxy out of sheer jealousy at the improved Indo US ties. India's policy has been 10 times more independent (to the extent of being directionless at times) than states in her neighborhood. That does not mean India will not coop with others where interests converge.

As to the comment you were replying to, expect more revisionist tripe, its coming...

 

[IceCold]

The only American squadrons based in the region after WWII has been in Pakistan! We sided with Pakistan in the India/Pakistan dispute. It is Pakistan that received a constant stream of arms, supplies, and support from America. From F-86 fighters to bullets and bandages, America stood by Pakistan even when many in America did not want it. Until the development of nuclear weapons by both India and Pakistan, we clearly sided with Islamabad.

Perhaps per the pages i have read the same, even wanted to believe that the huge US carrier presented at the time of conflict was there infact to help Pakistan but you see keep on repeating things does not make them right, now does it. All americans ever did was when the time came, military embargos were placed on us while our enemy enjoyed an uninterrupted supplies for both arms and ammunations.
Yes we did got the F-86s but at the same time when spares were badly needed guess what, sanctions were placed on us. Also do tell us was the purpose as mentioned by you the same" Americans stood by Pakistan", i'll certainly differ from you. Allow me to tell you the real reason you supplied Pakistan with those shinny F-86 and latter on with F-16s. It was not out of your love for Pakistan nor because US wanted to stand by Pakistan as per you but because Pakistan was seen as a tool, a proxy to be used against the communism (Russia) and i for one have no shame in admitting the fact that we did your dirty work and to this day we still are and for that we share the blame for allowing ourselves to be used and abused and then disposed off like a soil tissue.
There is a saying:
With a friend like this who needs an enemy. One cannot find a better example then this.

 

[Desertfalcon]

Oh, get off it! First you accuse my country of not supporting Pakistan, then you admit we did, but say it was only for our own self interest. Good to know that Pakistan is so much more morally correct than we are in this regard. So, we made deals with Pakistan because of "self-interest", and that's bad, but you made deals with us because of "self-interest", and that's good? Really? So it had nothing to do with your conflict with India? Your kidding, right? Is this why your country supported the Taliban as well? Because Pakistan acts more nobly than the US? Are they your shining example of a worthy ally? Who are your soldiers engaged in combat with now? Not us! If you think that defeating the Soviets, a vile ideology that murdered tens of millions of people is somehow "dirty work", then I question what you consider clean. Would defeating the Nazi regime have been "dirty work"? How were the Soviets any different than them? Both our countries have made deals with evil in order to protect our own interest. My county is due for it's share of grief due to the role that we play in the world, and maybe for many mistakes we have made. We can take the critisism. We are used to it. We know what freedom we have in our country and we will protect it.

 

[dabong1]

Oh, get off it! First you accuse my country of not supporting Pakistan, then you admit we did, but say it was only for our own self interest. Good to know that Pakistan is so much more morally correct than we are in this regard. So, we made deals with Pakistan because of "self-interest", and that's bad, but you made deals with us because of "self-interest", and that's good? Really? So it had nothing to do with your conflict with India? Your kidding, right?

Good at least you undrestand that pakistan will do things in its own intrests and the US in its own intrests......your not our friend and never will be.
Fighting the afghan taliban is not in our intrest while fighting the NA proxies in NWFP is.

Is this why your country supported the Taliban as well? Because Pakistan acts more nobly than the US?

You supported them also thinking you where going to get the pipelines.

Are they your shining example of a worthy ally?

From the U2 planes flying from peshawar to defeating the russians and killing al qeada leaders......if anything we should have learnt by now the americans should only be used......like where doing now.

Who are your soldiers engaged in combat with now? Not us! If you think that defeating the Soviets, a vile ideology that murdered tens of millions of people is somehow "dirty work", then I question what you consider clean. Would defeating the Nazi regime have been "dirty work"? How were the Soviets any different than them? Both our countries have made deals with evil in order to protect our own interest. My county is due for it's share of grief due to the role that we play in the world, and maybe for many mistakes we have made. We can take the critisism. We are used to it. We know what freedom we have in our country and we will protect it.

If you are trying to compare the amount of peoples killed due to american policy compared to the russians you guys win hands down.........the US has more people then any other country in the history of mankind.
The only "vile ideology that murdered tens of millions of people" is th american govt.