RSS converts 200 Indian Muslims into Hinduism.

[PlanetWarrior]

RSS is a organized religion. they are converting hindus and others to their fold. this religion is more like hitler's nazism. It is in the interest of the country, to be prevented from taking over by slaves of RSS and sangh parivar. In def.pk, you can see how true was our(anti-sanghi) observations coming true. RSS if given access to army and other critical areas will try to do what invaders(whom RSS copies) did - convert to RSS religion or be prepared for genocide.

I ain't a fan of the RSS but don't you think that you are overplaying their role and their intention ?

 

[Indrani]

Where in Indian law does it specify that an adult who marries another adult has to obtain his/her family's blessings and accept any pre-conditions set by his/her family to such marriage? If my family are educated enough to see the wider picture when it comes to religion then perhaps Indians such as yourself should emulate that mentality instead of being distressed by it. We aren't ISIS or Boko Haraam or some remote Pakistani family in some village in Pakistan who look at everything which doesn't conform with our religious views as being satanic or demonic or impure. We welcome the mingling or cultures and religions and are eager to co-exist with all. Go read your country's constitution to understand what I mean

Where did I make the argument that Indian law states anything in this regard? Your family was the one which capitulated and accepted pre-conditions. Apparently, not educated enough to see the bigotry in the pre-condition. Hindus have never been ISIS or Boko Haraams. It is your family's preparation for your next generation to be Boko Haraams that I was pointing out at.

Also now you are preaching constitution to me when Ranjeet drew your attention to our law and constitution you stated decency is beyond law. You decency changes color to suit your situation and biases.

 

[ranjeet]

I brought Paksitan as an example of what happens when you let these ideas become mainstream. I'd like us to never head in that direction. If 'secularism' the fundamental for all those other countries we can use as benchmarks, then it really is the ideology for us.

You do know that evangelists would walk up to you while you are having lunch in a university cafeteria and would start propagating while you are enjoying your food. Just because you are a member of the majority religion doesn't mean you have to surrender your right to propagate your religion in the country.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

You do know that evangelists would walk up to you while you are having lunch in a university cafeteria and would start propagating while you are enjoying your food. Just because you are a member of the majority religion doesn't mean you have to surrender your right to propagate your religion in the country.

I never asked anyone to surrender rights to propogation. I think it is valid and legitimate right to promote your religion as long as the propogation goes through free will. But what the RSS has done is conversion through inducement. If they had badgered their converts with lectures on 'greatness of hinduism' and said people had accepted it I would not have raised any issues. But land, money, threats of beatings (very possible in rural areas), that's not 'propogation'.

 

[ranjeet]

I never asked anyone to surrender rights to propogation. I think it is valid and legitimate right to promote your religion as long as the propogation goes through free will. But what the RSS has done is conversion through inducement. If they had badgered their converts with lectures on 'greatness of hinduism' and said people had accepted it I would not have raised any issues. But land, money, threats of beatings (very possible in rural areas), that's not 'propogation'.

Well how can you come to this conclusion without proper proof? Guilty until proven innocent?

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Where did I make the argument that Indian law states anything in this regard? Your family was the one which capitulated and accepted pre-conditions. Apparently, not educated enough to see the bigotry in the pre-condition. Hindus have never been ISIS or Boko Haraams. It is your family's preparation for your next generation to be Boko Haraams that I was pointing out at.

Also now you are preaching constitution to me when Ranjeet drew your attention to our law and constitution you stated decency is beyond law. You decency changes color to suit your situation and biases.

You mistaken my reference to Indian law to be some sort of feeble excuse for accepting non-Hindus in my family and within my circle of friends. Perhaps you should read the post (your post) which I was answering to and not willy- nilly choose random posts to which I answered earlier in responding.

The fallacy in your argument and the obvious bigotry in your mentality stems from the fact that you paint all Muslims with the same brush. Clearly, all you see in Muslims is the radical, bearded Mullah or hijab type person who carries a bomb or a weapon under their clothing waiting to unleash horror on the unbelievers. Perhaps you should free yourself of this conditioning. The best way to do so would be to spend less time reading the posts of certain radical Muslims on PDF and spending more time with your fellow Indians who are Muslims and Christians. You will then realize that we have in our midst not necessary Boko Haraam or ISIS "next generations" but God loving and peaceful citizens who would give their lives for their nation.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Well how can you come to this conclusion without proper proof? Guilty until proven innocent?

Read the text- the guys themselves are saying man. You think if there was a 'mass conversion' of 200 to Christianity was done the Bajrang Dal would have ever allowed it?

 

[ranjeet]

Read the text- the guys themselves are saying man. You think if there was a 'mass conversion' of 200 to Christianity was done the Bajrang Dal would have ever allowed it?

who knows how they explained it to her and what she was interpreted it.

 

[Indrani]

You mistaken my reference to Indian law to be some sort of feeble excuse for accepting non-Hindus in my family and within my circle of friends. Perhaps you should read the post (your post) which I was answering to and not willy- nilly choose random posts to which I answered earlier in responding.

The fallacy in your argument and the obvious bigotry in your mentality stems from the fact that you paint all Muslims with the same brush. Clearly, all you see in Muslims is the radical, bearded Mullah or hijab type person who carries a bomb or a weapon under their clothing waiting to unleash horror on the unbelievers. Perhaps you should free yourself of this conditioning. The best way to do so would be to spend less time reading the posts of certain radical Muslims on PDF and spending more time with your fellow Indians who are Muslims and Christians. You will then realize that we have in our midst not necessary Boko Haraam or ISIS "next generations" but God loving and peaceful citizens who would give their lives for their nation.

You were the one who dragged in Boko Haram and ISIS to make your point, I just pointed at the possibility of your family being the next generation Boko Haram. Also as far as I know, I have not brought in law in any of my arguments yet, even the post you supposedly answered to. So no idea why you dragged it in.

No, I did not paint all Muslims with the same brush. I just pointed out the acceptance of your family of raising kids as non-Hindus by every member of your family (regardless of gender) who married a non-Hindu. Marrying bigots of other religions seems kosher in your family and upholds your secularism.

Handle the bigots your family is marrying into before lecturing me about bigotry. If not bigots, they would have never laid such pre-conditions.

 

[anonymus]

Although it's a stupid thing to do, but a person who couldn't find peace in one religion will hardly find in a different one. It's just a d!ck measuring contest but the way people are reacting to this is surprising. Conversion through inducement wasn't a big issue before hindus started doing it.

At personal level, i agree that very act of religious conversion is stupid. Rationality and Science ,while unable to disprove existence of god, have proven that a control freak vengeful God is an impossibility.

Genuine Religious conversion (99.999% are not.They are by Sword,Money,or for marriage) is symptom of grave identity crisis that a person has suffered at time of his conversion. It is pretty different from becoming Atheist or Agonist where you move out of the concept of religion.



But having said that, it is important not to overlook that religions does not have spiritual function alone. They have very strong Socio-cultural function. It is due to this function that i would prefer that most of Indian become or remain nominal or cultural Hindus.And there are important real life precedence in contemporary world to prove that i am right.

Religions, especially those who proselytize aggressively, are vehicles of ethnic imperialism.



Christianity, even though i could not speculate whether it is cause or symptom, has left Koreans with strong case of inferiority complex; a curious case in which they look for outside approval in order to define their identity, much like Pakistanis.Probably 200 years from now they, along with Philippines, would become Christians on Par with Nordics( who too were late converts), but as of today their position is low in christian pecking order.


When i say that India should remain majority Hindu, even if just nominally/culturally,i do it because i want India to avoid fate like Korea or Pakistan ( personally i am not religious at all ).I believe that every country should stick to their native religion, so while i believe that Islam is bad for India , i also acknowledge that it is best religion for Arabs.Persians recognized it and started their own version of Islam while Christianity transformed itself into European religion by integrating itself with Roman cult of Dionysus.

 

[Winchester]

Imagine Naokhali version in kashi Mathura Tirupati Dwarka.

couldn't understand a word

Baba myself is indebted to Jinnah

 

[anonymus]

There is no ban on conversion to any religion in india too, but any conversion through coercion or inducements are dealt with very severely in those countries.

There is no coercion in this case, and if it is counted as inducement then 100% conversion to Christianity weee by inducement.

 

[ranjeet]

At personal level, i agree that very act of religious conversion is stupid. Rationality and Science ,while unable to disprove existence of god, have proven that a control freak vengeful God is an impossibility.

Genuine Religious conversion (99.999% are not.They are by Sword,Money,or for marriage) is symptom of grave identity crisis that a person has suffered at time of his conversion. It is pretty different from becoming Atheist or Agonist where you move out of the concept of religion.



But having said that, it is important not to overlook that religions does not have spiritual function alone. They have very strong Socio-cultural function. It is due to this function that i would prefer that most of Indian become or remain nominal or cultural Hindus.And there are important real life precedence in contemporary world to prove that i am right.

Religions, especially those who proselytize aggressively, are vehicles of ethnic imperialism.

Take Islam; It is a blatant vehicle of Arab imperialism. Every muslim has to pray facing mecca, has to undertake pilgrimage to Arabia, and in Islam Syeds ie Arab descendants of muhammad are regarded as übermensch or master race. Muslims of other ethnicity are below Arabs as demonstrated by Pakistanis in full vigour. Muslim hierarchy is Syed Arab>Arab>Persian>Turk>SE Asian>South Asian>Negro African.

A non-Arab by accepting Islam is also tactically accepting his place in Islamic social order, which is beneath Arabs. It is willful acceptance of slavery on part of a non-Arab muslim.The subservience of Pakistan to Saudi, even though having better military,higher population, and more diverse economy is a proof of that.

Another threat posed by muslims is that of security. While i am 100% sure that majority of muslims would side with India, if India goes to war with Pakistan, Bangladesh, or most of major muslim nation; i am also quite confident that if a true Islamic army led by a Caliph shows up on India's doorsteps (Bin Qasim type), most of muslims would side with Ghazis and turn on India ( this is true in case of Indo-Saudi war today ).In former case the choice was between India and a Muslim nation while in latter case it is between India and Islam.This may sound politically incorrect but it is true.



Similarly Christianity ,at least protestant and Roman Catholic, is a vehicle to white imperialism. I would prove my case by using South Korea as an example. South Korea ,since converting to Christiantiy, has started worshiping whites, literally. It is a country in which practically everyone wants to have plastic surgery in order to look white.

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Christianity, even though i could not speculate whether it is cause or symptom, has left Koreans with strong case of inferiority complex; a curious case in which they look for outside approval in order to define their identity, much like Pakistanis.Probably 200 years from now they, along with Philippines, would become Christians on Par with Nordics( who too were late converts), but as of today their position is low in christian pecking order.


When i say that India should remain majority Hindu, even if just nominally/culturally,i do it because i want India to avoid fate like Korea or Pakistan ( personally i am not religious at all ).I believe that every country should stick to their native religion, so while i believe that Islam is bad for India , i also acknowledge that it is best religion for Arabs.Persians recognized it and started their own version of Islam while Christianity transformed itself into European religion by integrating itself with Roman cult of Dionysus.

Agree with you but I think instead of Hindu it should be Dharmic country culturally.

 

[TejasMk3]

Protests in Parliament Against 'Mass Conversions', United Opposition Scores Debate

Wow......

 

[anonymus]

Agree with you but I think instead of Hindu it should be Dharmic country culturally.

That is what i said. As i have pointed out, i am not a religious person, but for Cultural and Racial reasons, i would prefer that India remains a Dharmic country.