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Khalaj is an old Turkic tribe that is described by Mahmud Kashgari:
Nomadism in Iran: From Antiquity to the Modern Era - D. T. Potts - Google Books

What Kashgari is saying is that there were 24 Oghuz tribes, two of them separated as Khalaj, 22 remained with Oghuz.
Mahmud al-Kashgari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is possible that Ghilzai name comes from Khalaj but I personally doubt it. Some part of them may have mixed with Ghilzai Pashtuns, but the admixture looks very small, if we look at current Pashtun genetic makeup.

I think there is some theory that they were Hepthalites or Indo-Iranian, but there is plenty of evidence against such theory. The first one is Khalaj Turkic language:
Khalaj language (Turkic) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Khalaj has traditionally been classified with Azerbaijani dialects, primarily because of its proximity to them. However, it is not a dialect of Azerbaijani, as previously supposed. Further, features such as preservation of three vowel lengths, preservation of word-initial Proto-Turkic *h, and lack of the sound change *d → y has led to a non-Oghuz classification of Khalaj. An example of these archaisms is present in the word hadaq ("foot"), which has preserved the initial *h and medial *d. The equivalent form in nearby Oghuz dialects is ayaq. Therefore it is an independent language that became distinct very early from other extant Turkic languages.[3][4][dead link] Because of the preservation of these archaic features, some scholars have speculated that the Khalaj are the descendants of the Arghu Turks."

Khalaj people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The Khalaj people are a Turkic people that speak the Khalaj language, which is thought to be one of the closest languages to Old Turkic.

According to Mahmud al-Kashgari, they were mentioned at Divânu Lügati't-Türk:

"Twenty twos call them "Kal aç" in Turkish. This means "Stay hungry". Later, they were called "Xalac". Their origins are these."[1]

"Oguzs and Kipchaks translate "x" to k". They are a group of "Xalac"s. They say "xızım", whereas Turks say "kızım" (my daughter). And again other Turks say "kande erdinğ", whereas they say "xanda erdinğ", this means "where were you ?" [2]"

I will present more evidence later as time permits.


Wikipedia says this about the Ghilzai tribe and their origin theories



The Ghilzai (Pashto: غلزی‎), also known historically as Ghilji (Pashto: غلجي‎), Khilji (Pashto: خلجي‎) and Gharzai (Pashto: غرزی‎,ghar literally means "mountain" and zai "born of"), are the second-largest Pashtun tribal confederacy found in Afghanistanand Pakistan.[1] The Ghilzai are today scattered all over Afghanistan but mainly in and around the regions between Zabul andKabul area, and extending into eastern Suleiman Mountains in Balochistan, Pakistan.[2] During the 14th and 15th centuries, various Khilji dynasties took control in the Indian subcontinent, including the Khilji dynasty of Delhi, the Khilji dynasty of Bengal and the Tanoli(Tano grand son of Ghilzai[3]) Princely State of Amb,. Many of the migrating Kochi people of Afghanistan belong to the Ghilzai confederacy.[1]

Further information: Kilij
One theory is that the name of the Ghilzai is derived from Gharzai (غلزې), (Ghar-zai) meaning "son of mountain"[4] or "swordsman."[5]



The Ghilzais are a confederation of Pashtun tribes whose origin is unknown. Some oriental scholars hold that the Ghilzais are the descendants of a mixed race of Hephthalite and Pakhtas who have been living in Afghanistan since the Vedic period.[1] They are reputed by some to be descended at least in part from the Ghurids.

Ḡalzī tribal genealogies in general trace their early descent from the union of either Shah Ḥosayn, a Ghurid (q.v.) prince, and Bībī Mātō, a granddaughter of Qays ʿAbd al-Rašīd, the putative ancestor of all Pashtuns, or Mokarram Shah, a Pashtun prince from Ḡūr, and the daughter of a Persian notable...[7]

—M. Jamil Hanifi



Others suggest that they descended from the Khalaj or Khilji dynasty,[8][9][10] who entered Afghanistan in the 10th century. According to Elphinstone, the Khilji, "though Turks by descent...had so long settled among the Afghans that they had almost identified with that people."[11]

Ghilzai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I doubt they were Nomadized Pashtuns, rather they are Pashtunized Turkic nomads.

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The Khalaj West of the Oxus
V. Minorsky


Excerpts from "The Turkish Dialect of the Khalaj", Bulletin of the School of Oriental Studies, University of London, Vol 10, No 2, pp 417-437

Muslim authors agree that the Khalaj are one of the earliest tribes to have crossed the Oxus. In addition to I. Khurdadhbih whom we have quoted above, Istakhri (circa AD 930) [1] says: “The Khalaj are a class of Turks who in the days of the old (fi qadim al-ayyam) came to the country stretching between India and the districts of Sijistan, behind Ghur. They are cattle breeders of Turkish appearance (khilaq), dress, and language.” Mas’udi, Muruj (AD 943), iii, 254, speaks of the Turkish tribes “Ghuz and خرلج living towards Gharsh (= Gharchistan) and Bust in (the region) adjoining Sijistan”. Contrary to Marquart, Eranshahr, 251, I think that خرلج must be read here *Kharlukh, and on the other hand, under Ghuz the author may mean the Khalaj, for, as we now know from Kashghari, the Khalaj were considered as the two “lost tribes” of the Ghuzz. [2]

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If Istakhri and Mas’udi (?) place the Khalaj on the middle course of the Helmand, the compilator of the Hudud al-Alam (AD 982), f. 22b quotes the Khalaj in the region of Ghaznin and the adjoining districts. He speaks of their wealth in sheep and describes their habit of wandering along pasture-lands. He adds that the same tribe is numerous in “Balkh, Tukharistan, Bust and Guzganan”. In fact the name is misspelt in the MS. as خلخ and it is very possible that the author has mixed together the Khallukh خلخ and Khalaj خلج. In Tukharistan and (?) Balkh he most probably has in view the former tribe, and in Ghaznin, Bust, and Guzganan the latter.

The Saffarids were the first Muslim dynasty to penetrate into Central Afghanistan. According to Ibn al-Athir, vii, 171, [3] Ya’qub conquered (AD. 868) “the Khalaj, Zabul and other (lands) but I do not know the year in which it happened….”

The Ghaznavids, from the outset of their activity, had to deal with the Khalaj. Nizam al-mulk [4] reports an episode of Sabuktagin’s early career when he was sent by his master Alaptagin (d. 352/963) to collect taxes from “the Khalaj and Turkmans”, which he tried to do by peaceful means. In 385/995 Sabuktagin being in Herat, sent summons to the rulers of Sistan and Guzganan as well as to the *Khalaj Turks. [5]

Utbi, in his history (written circa 411/1020) refers to the Khalaj several times: i, 55, he announces his intention to narrate Mahmud’s victories “in India, as well as among the Turks and Khalaj”; i, 88, (Persian translation, 43, very free), he reports that after Mahmud’s expedition against India, “the Afghans and Khalaj submitted to him”; ii, 78 (Pers. Transl, 294): when Ilak Khan took up a menacing attitude Mahmud arrived in Ghazna and summoned “the Khalaj Turks, ever on their horses, [6] manly son of swords…” Equally, during the inroad of Qadir Khan to Tukharistan. Mahmud rushed to Balkh “with his Turkish, Indian, Khalaj, Afghan, and Ghazna troops…”

The fact that the Khalaj were associated in Mahmud’s victories may account for their subsequent ambitions, Already under the weak Sultan Mas’ud, they became restive. On 19 Muharram 432/1040, Mas’ud had to send an expedition from Ghazni in order to obtain the submission or punishment of the Khalaj who, during his absence, had committed some transgressions (fisad), Abul Fazal Bayhaqi, ed. Morley, 826, 830 [where خلج is mis-spelt as بلخ]

Najib Bakrans geography Jahan-nama, written (circa AD, 1200-1220) on the eve of the Mongol invasion, contains a particularly interesting paragraph on the changes which the originally Turkish tribe was undergoing: “The Khalaj are a tribe of Turks who from the Khallukh limits migrated to Zabulistan. Among the districts of Ghazni there is a steppe where they reside. Then, on account of the heat of the air, their complexion has changed and tended towards blackness; the tongue (zuban) too has undergone alterations and become a different language (lughat).”

In the earliest mention of Juvaynis Jahan-Gusha, i, 132, “the Khalaj of Ghazni” are curiously associated with “Afghans”; a levy (hashar) of these two tribes mobilized by the Mongols took part in the punitive expedition to the region of Merv, ii 194-8: after the disruption of the kingdom of Sultan Muhammad Khwarazim Shah, a “numberless” mass of “Khalaj and Turkmans from Khorasan and Transoxiana” gathered at Purshavur (Peshawar) under the leadership of Saif al-Din Ighraq (var. *Yighraq) [7] – Malik, who according to a gloss was himself a Khalaj. This army defeated the petty king of Ghazna, Radhi al-Mulk, but when Jalaladin Khwarazim Shah arrived in Ghazna, Ighraq came to greet him. After Jalaladin defeated the Mongols at Parvan, the Khalaj, Turkmans, and Ghauris of his army quarrelled with the Khwarazimians over the booty and finally retreated towards the south. Ighraq returned to Peshawar while his rival Nuh-Jandar stayed at *Ningrahar, but Ighraq retraced his steps and killed him. Finally, Mongol detachments reached the spot and destroyed the whole of the 20,000 - 30,000 Khalaj, Turkmans, and Ghauris who had abandoned Jalaladin. [8]

This historical sketch very clearly shows the gradual expansion of the southern branch of the Khalaj from the lower course of the Helmand to the environs of Ghazna and later to the neighborhood of Peshawar; on the other hand, it indicates how the Khalaj were utilized by the lords of the time and how gradually they found their way to power.

India was ever a most welcome field for energetic adventurers, and as early as AD. 1197 Muhammad Bakhtiyar Khalji [9], acting on behalf of the Ghurid Muiz al-Din Muhammad occupied Bihar and AD. 1202, at the head of a small troop of horse, conquered Lakhnauti in Bengal of which he became the governor.

In 689/1290 Jalal al-din Firuz Khalji succeeded the Mamluk kings on the throne of Delhi and his short-lived dynasty lasted till 1320. [10]

Another Khalji dynasty, descended from a brother of Firuz, ruled in Central India (Malwa) AD. 1436-1531. Equally the Lodhi kings of Delhi (AD. 1451-1526) belonged to a Khalji family which was established in Multan already towards AD 1005.

The Khalji in India were considered as Afghans and perhaps in the fifteenth century possessed no knowledge of Turkish but we must remember what Najib Bakran says on the changes undergone by the Khalaj of Afghanistan. In Afghanistan and India the descendants of the Khalaj are called Ghal-zae, i.e. “sons of the thief”. [11] This later popular etymology and the legend built up round it are certainly artificial. The fact is that the important Ghilzai tribe occupies now the region round Ghazni, [12] where the Khalaj used to live and that historical data all point, to the transformation of the Turkish Khalaj into Afghan Ghilzai. Even the phonetic evolution of the name has nothing astonishing. The ancient Turkish form was Qalaj (or Qalach), and it is well known that Turkish q was heard by the Arabs now as kh and now as gh. [13] Qalaj could have a parallel form *Ghalaj of which it was easv to bring the end in conformity with the usual Afghan terminology of zae, zai (= Persian –zada).

Notes:
[1] In the account of the province of Davar on the Hilmand.
[2] After all Mas’udis vague passage may even not refer to the Khalaj but only to the Kharlukh and the Turkmans (often quoted alongside with the Khalaj).
[3] Probably based on the history of Ibn al-Azhar al-Akhbari, see Barthold, Zur Geschichte der Saffariden, in Oriental Studien Th. Noldek, 1906, pp 173, 186.
[4] Siasat Nama (485/1092), ch. xxvii, p. 96
[5] Gardizi, 56. The text has Turkan-e Sulh but the editor has already suggested the reading *Khallukh. I admit the necessity of the emendation, but, in view of the circumstances, I prefer *Khalaj.
[6] Ahlas al-Zuhr
[7] The alternance of initial i- and yi is frequent; cf. Inal/Yinal
[8] But certainly not at all the Khalaj.
[9] i.e. Khalaji. In Indian pronunciation the middle short vowel of a tri-syllabic word regularly omitted (shafaqat > shafqat), shafaqal > while a mono-syllabic word ending in two consonants becomes bi-sylabic (fahm > faham).
[10] His father had the Turkish title Yughrush, see M. F. Koprulu, Zur Kentniss der altturkischen Titulatur, in Korosi Csoma Archivum, 1938, Erganzungsband, p. 339, who quotes Tarikh-e Farishta, I, 152, 155.
[11] Or with a further reduction of the vowel: Ghilzae, in Persian Ghiljai
[12 See Longworth Dames, Afghanistan and Ghilzai in EI. The author seems not to have realized the weight of the earlier historical evidence and disbelieved the possibility of the transformation Khalaj > Ghilzai, fully admitted by other collaborators of the EI. (Barthold, Sir W. Haig); cf. laso Marquart, op. cit., 253. In fact there is absolutely nothing astonishing in a tribe of nomad habits changing its language. This happened with the Mongols settled among Turks and probably with some Turks living among Kurds. [Sir W. Haig in the Cambridge History of India, III, 90, gives a pertinent reply to Raverty: “If the Ghilzay be not Khaljis it is difficult to say what has become of the latter.”]
[13] Cf. Tabari, iii, 1416: Ghamish < Turkish Qamish “a reed”.

POSTED BY MEHRAN BAHARLI AT 10:26 AM


We must consider that the Ghilzai are a confederacy. This means that they are many sub tribes in this confederacy with different origins just like the Durranis. The term "Ghilzai" could be only political which included also some Turkic peoples. At least genetically there isn't anything Turkic about the Ghilzais. Hell they are genetically closer to any South Asian ethnic group than to Turkic Central Asians.
 
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I asked to that respected member here.That is why I mentioned his name.



I dont believe in AIT theory.Migration may happened but we dont count them as a noble Aryans or something like that.Might they were white people.In our believes Aryans means noble people whose action is noble .Not according to their colour.

Most south Indian dont...
 
Wikipedia says this about the Ghilzai tribe and their origin theories



The Ghilzai (Pashto: غلزی‎), also known historically as Ghilji (Pashto: غلجي‎), Khilji (Pashto: خلجي‎) and Gharzai (Pashto: غرزی‎,ghar literally means "mountain" and zai "born of"), are the second-largest Pashtun tribal confederacy found in Afghanistanand Pakistan.[1] The Ghilzai are today scattered all over Afghanistan but mainly in and around the regions between Zabul andKabul area, and extending into eastern Suleiman Mountains in Balochistan, Pakistan.[2] During the 14th and 15th centuries, various Khilji dynasties took control in the Indian subcontinent, including the Khilji dynasty of Delhi, the Khilji dynasty of Bengal and the Tanoli(Tano grand son of Ghilzai[3]) Princely State of Amb,. Many of the migrating Kochi people of Afghanistan belong to the Ghilzai confederacy.[1]

Further information: Kilij
One theory is that the name of the Ghilzai is derived from Gharzai (غلزې), (Ghar-zai) meaning "son of mountain"[4] or "swordsman."[5]



The Ghilzais are a confederation of Pashtun tribes whose origin is unknown. Some oriental scholars hold that the Ghilzais are the descendants of a mixed race of Hephthalite and Pakhtas who have been living in Afghanistan since the Vedic period.[1] They are reputed by some to be descended at least in part from the Ghurids.

Ḡalzī tribal genealogies in general trace their early descent from the union of either Shah Ḥosayn, a Ghurid (q.v.) prince, and Bībī Mātō, a granddaughter of Qays ʿAbd al-Rašīd, the putative ancestor of all Pashtuns, or Mokarram Shah, a Pashtun prince from Ḡūr, and the daughter of a Persian notable...[7]

—M. Jamil Hanifi

Others suggest that they descended from the Khalaj or Khilji dynasty,[8][9][10] who entered Afghanistan in the 10th century. According to Elphinstone, the Khilji, "though Turks by descent...had so long settled among the Afghans that they had almost identified with that people."[11]

Ghilzai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We must consider that the Ghilzai are a confederacy. This means that they are many sub tribes in this confederacy with different origins just like the Durranis. The term "Ghilzai" could be only political which included also some Turkic peoples. At least genetically there isn't anything Turkic about the Ghilzais. Hell they are genetically closer to any South Asian ethnic group than to Turkic Central Asians.

I completely agree that present day Ghilzai's have nothing much to do with Turkic people. But that is not the debate here, the debate is about Khalaj tribe and their origin whether they were Turkic or not. @Marwat Khan Lodhi is saying Khalaj was originally a Pashtun tribe, I am saying this is incorrect, they were originally a Proto-Turkic tribe and their branches still speak that Proto-Turkic Khalaj language, settled in many places, other than Afghanistan, such as Iran, Azerbaijan, Southern Russia and Turkey (post #182 and 184 above, also see links below). I do not believe they were originally Pashtun or Iranic like Marwat is suggesting according to this article, which I believe is full of conjectures:
Khaljies are Afghan

It is possible they were part of Hepthalite confederation, but they were a Turkic and nomadic part of that confederation:
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/southasianarchaeology/Hepthalites.pdf
Scythians subsets: Kushans, Hephthalites, Sakas, Gujjars, and Parthians
Talessman's Atlas - Hephthalites
(search for Khalaj in these pages)

This video About page also has a very detailed description of Khalaj tribe history and their Turkic origin.

Khilji dynasty
"The Khalji people
Before expansion into India, the Khaljis were mainly concentrated in Turkestan. In the writings of Al-Biruni, Ibn-Batuta, , Al-Khwarezmi, Masudi, Varahamihira, and in Juzjani's Hudud ul-'alam min al-mashriq ila al-maghrib, they are presented as a group of Turkic origin which formed one of the older members of the Hephthalite confederation, and included many nomads near Bactria, in Turfan (Turkestan) and eastward of modern Ghazni. Many migrated to Iran, and possibly also to Armenia, Iraq, Anatolia, Turkmenistan, thePunjab and what are now modern Pakistan and Afghanistan, especially around the Sulaiman Mountains, then under the control of the Ghaznavids (see also the article on the Ghalzais). In Iran, they migrated mainly to Pars, where they settled an isolated region which is called today as Khaljistan - Land of Khaljis. However, Persian-speakers in Iran also use the term Khalji to describe any nomads of Turkic background in their country. The Khilji people of Iran and Afghanistan, the Ghilzai, and the of Bengal and Sindh claim to be descendants of medieval Khilji clans, though they have intermarried greatly with other groups and many share few physical similarities with the original Khiljis. Most modern Khilji people and tribes have very few cultural links with the original Turkic tribe, except for the Khiljis of Iran and Afghanistan, who speak a Khalaj dialect of the Khalaj language group. Modern Khalji people are not more comparable to the past Khalji tribes who were of pure Turkic stock. For example in the case of India, modern Khalji people became ethnic Indians and lost their east-Asian features and their Turkic identity. In Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq, they are either of hybrid origin or in the case of Turkmen Khalji tribe they kept Turks but became cultural Iranians and Indians. Because of this fact, most of modern Khalji people and tribes have no more ties or any kind of an identity that trace them intentional to the Turks, except for the Khaljis of Iran and Afghanistan."

Khilji dynasty information
"Origin of the Khalji people
It seems, that the larger Khilji tribe was once member of Hephthalites of central Asia who also conquered -invaded- India. Originally, the Khaljis were mainly dwelling in Turkestan, except in some casesE.J. Brill's First Encyclopaedia of Islam, 1913-1936, p. 326Eran, Land zwischen Tigris und Indus, 1879, p. 268The Pathans: 550 B.C.-A.D. 1957,by Olaf Kirkpatrick Caroe or members of ancient Gökturks. In older scripts of Al-Biruni, Al-Khwarezmi, Masudi, in Juzjani's Hudud ul-'alam min al-mashriq ila al-maghrib and of Arab and Indian historians (Ibn Batuta, Ibn Khaldun or Vahara Mihira etc.) they are considered as one of the original (in the sense of real) members of the Hephtalite's confederation and of Turkic origin who are also found as nomads near Bactria, in Turfan (Turkestan) and east-ward of modern Ghazni in Afghanistan. Possibly, they have split themselves from these large area up and moved to Iran, Armenia, Iraq, Anatolia, Turkmenistan, Punjab) and modern Pakistan and Afghanistan, around the Sulaiman Mountains under the GhaznavidsThe Cambridge History of Iran, 1968, p.217 by William Bayne Fisher, Ehsan Yarshater, Ilya Gershevitch and Richard Nelson (see also on Ghalzais). In Iran, they moved to Pars where they settled an isolated region which is called today as Khaljistan - Land of Khaljis. However, Persians of Iran use the term Khalji also to describe nomads of Turkic background in their country. Also in in the Kohistan district of Pakistan, there is a place called after the Khiljis. The Khilji people of Iran and Afghanistan, the Ghilzai (also called Khaldjish) fraction of the Pashtuns, the Khaldji people of Bengal and Sindh are considered as descendants of ancient and middle-age Khalji (sub-)tribes. However, modern Khalji people are not more comparable to the past Khalji tribes who were of pure Turkic stock. For example in the case of India, modern Khalji people became ethnic Indians and lost their east-Asian features and their Turkic identity. In Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq, they are either of hybrid origin or in the case of Turkmen Khalji tribe they kept Turks but became culturally Iranians and South Asian. Because of this fact, most of modern Khalji people and tribes have no more ties or any kind of an identity that trace them intentional to the Turks, except for the Khaljis of Iran and Afghanistan, who speak a Khalaj dialect of the Khalaj language group.

Cultural achievements and religious propagation
The main court language of Khiljis became Persian, followed by Arabic and their own native Turkoman language and some of north-Indian dialects. Even if it was not related with their nature as original nomads and had no ties with urbane cultures and civilizations, the Khilji of Delhi promoted Persian language to a high degree. Such a co-existence of different languages gave birth to the earliest and archaic version of Urdu. According to Ibn Batuta, the Khiljis encouraged conversion to Islam by making it a custom to have the convert presented to the Sultan who would place a robe on the convert and award him with bracelets of gold.The preaching of Islam: a history of the propagation of the Muslim faith By Sir Thomas Walker Arnold, pg. 212 During Ikhtiyar Uddin Bakhtiyar Khilji's control of the Bengal, Muslim missionaries in India achieved their greatest success, in terms of number of converts to Islam.The preaching of Islam: a history of the propagation of the Muslim faith By Sir Thomas Walker Arnold, pg. 227-228"

During 1221 Mongol invasion, many Khalajes joined the Mongols. Some Mongols claim part descent from Khalaj:

Kharchin Mongols - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The Kharchin were originated from the Kipchak guard troops served in Khanbalik or Dadu (today's Beijing, great capital of Yuan empire) and other Chinese areas, and also the Kipchak royal horse herder groups in the present Khovd Province and its neighborhood areas of Mongolia. The Kipchaks got the name of Kharchin because their horse herders were famous for their tribute of horse milk wine to Yuan emperors, the Kharchin originally means people who brew black horse milk wine. Some scholars also argues that the Kharchins were originated at least partly from the Khalaj of the historical Khorasan area in today's Iran and Afghanistan, who were a sub-group of the Oghuz or Arghu Turks. The Kharchin's Bolai Tayisi was the successor of Arugtai Tayisi, he recovered the power of the eastern Mongols against the Oirads."

The ethnic origins of the Kharchin Mongols - History Forum ~ All Empires
"Asud, Kharchin and Sharnud were known as the Huuchin or old Kharchin, who were the core tribes of the Yunsheebuu Tumen. The Asuds were originated from the Yuan Empire's royal guard troops of the Alans, the Asud's Arugtai Tayisi could be recognized as the first leader of the Yunsheebuu-Kharchin tribal alliance and one of the most important leaders during the Northern Yuan dynasty. The Kharchins were originated from the Kipchak guard troops served in Khanbalik or Dadu(today's Beijing, great capital of Yuan empire) and other Chinese areas, and also the Kipchak royal horse herder groups in the present Khovd province and its neighborhood areas of Mongolia. The Kipchaks got the name of Kharchin because their horse herders were famous for their tribute of horse milk wine to Yuan emperors, the Kharchin originally means people who brew black horse milk wine. Some scholars also argues that the Kharchins were originated at least partly from the Khalaj of the historical Khoransan area in today's Iran and Afghanistan, who were a sub-group of the Oghuz or Arghu Turks. The Kharchin's Bolai tayisi was the successor of Arugtai tayisi, he recovered the power of the eastern Mongols against the Oirads. There's no the exact clues for the origins of the Sharnuud yet, but Yunsheebuu Tumen's Sharnuud shouldn't be simply considered as yellow-head Uriankhai or others, while there're so many tribes like Uriankhai, Naiman and Buryat, that consisted of such a clan of the Sharnuud, even some of the Mongolized Uigurs were named as the Sharnuud too. The name of Sharnuud may suggest their non-Mongoloid physical characters, Yunsheebuu's Sharnuud seems some European looking group followed with the Alans and Kipchaks to serve for the Yuan court in Khanbalik(Dadu)."
 
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Another idea that makes sense is that the Khalaj Turkic population were actually absorbed more into Hazara population, as Hazara admixture seems close to Altaian Turkic people:
Rise of Islam in Bengal, role of migration | Page 12

Origin and History of Hazaras : Home
"Turkish influence on the Hazaras dates back to the incursions of Amir Timur and his army into this area. As mentioned before, the inhabitants of Jaghouri regard themselves as being descended from Amir Timur, while the Sheikh Ali Hazaras believe themselves to be of Turkish ancestry, most probably of the Khalaj and Qarloq Turks. Along the main road through the Sheikh Ali area and near Qalloq, there is a tomb in honor of Baba Qallogh, regarded by the Sheikh Ali people to have been their forefather. In the travelogues of Oghouz, the original ancestor of the Moghols, the people of this area are referred to as Qarloq, meaning the “children of snow”, because of its cold climate (ibid:23). The common Turkish root of these names, Qarloq, Qalloq and Qallogh, indicative of Turkish influence on the Hazaras. Indeed more Turkish terms can be found in Hazargi dialect than in Farsi, in particular amongst the names of herbs and roots, which are virtually all Turkish."

User:ShirbachaHazara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"As mentioned before, the inhabitants of Jaghouri regard themselves as being descended from Amir Timur, while the Sheikh Ali Hazaras believe themselves to be of Turkish ancestry, most probably of the Khalaj and Qarloq Turks."
 
Most south Indian dont...

If you meant Dravidian politics then you are wrong because I am not a tamil I am a Keralite.And also an uppercaste.
And you can see a lot of NI who outrightly reject the AIT theory.Migration ok.But I dont believe in this Aryan stuff.
 
If you meant Dravidian politics then you are wrong because I am not a tamil I am a Keralite.And also an uppercaste.
And you can see a lot of NI who outrightly reject the AIT theory.Migration ok.But I dont believe in this Aryan stuff.

Keralites are Dravid. And Tamils are not low caste either (in fact they are good ones), neither all aryans are high caste. But according to Hindu literature All Gods are Aryan ( except Krishna to set an example of the good will of God) and all South Indian Dravid are Rakshak or Monkey. ;)
 
Keralites are Dravid. And Tamils are not low caste either (in fact they are good ones), neither all aryans are high caste. But according to Hindu literature All Gods are Aryan ( except Krishna to set an example of the good will of God) and all South Indian Dravid are Rakshak or Monkey. ;)

Very funny.We were also a part of
Tamils long time ago.But due to foreign traders settlement and others we are become different than Tamils.
My grand father was a Brahmin .I am from Nair caste.Nairs are the chieftains of kerala.
And I also saw some BD in kerala probably come as pole vaulters.Our SC/ST peoples are even nicer than them
 
I completely agree that present day Ghilzai's have nothing much to do with Turkic people. But that is not the debate here, the debate is about Khalaj tribe and their origin whether they were Turkic or not. @Marwat Khan Lodhi is saying Khalaj was originally a Pashtun tribe, I am saying this is incorrect, they were originally a Proto-Turkic tribe and their branches still speak that Proto-Turkic Khalaj language, settled in many places, other than Afghanistan, such as Iran, Azerbaijan, Southern Russia and Turkey (post #182 and 184 above, also see links below). I do not believe they were originally Pashtun or Iranic like Marwat is suggesting according to this article, which I believe is full of conjectures:
Khaljies are Afghan

It is possible they were part of Hepthalite confederation, but they were a Turkic and nomadic part of that confederation:
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/southasianarchaeology/Hepthalites.pdf
Scythians subsets: Kushans, Hephthalites, Sakas, Gujjars, and Parthians
Talessman's Atlas - Hephthalites
(search for Khalaj in these pages)

This video About page also has a very detailed description of Khalaj tribe history and their Turkic origin.

Khilji dynasty
"The Khalji people
Before expansion into India, the Khaljis were mainly concentrated in Turkestan. In the writings of Al-Biruni, Ibn-Batuta, , Al-Khwarezmi, Masudi, Varahamihira, and in Juzjani's Hudud ul-'alam min al-mashriq ila al-maghrib, they are presented as a group of Turkic origin which formed one of the older members of the Hephthalite confederation, and included many nomads near Bactria, in Turfan (Turkestan) and eastward of modern Ghazni. Many migrated to Iran, and possibly also to Armenia, Iraq, Anatolia, Turkmenistan, thePunjab and what are now modern Pakistan and Afghanistan, especially around the Sulaiman Mountains, then under the control of the Ghaznavids (see also the article on the Ghalzais). In Iran, they migrated mainly to Pars, where they settled an isolated region which is called today as Khaljistan - Land of Khaljis. However, Persian-speakers in Iran also use the term Khalji to describe any nomads of Turkic background in their country. The Khilji people of Iran and Afghanistan, the Ghilzai, and the of Bengal and Sindh claim to be descendants of medieval Khilji clans, though they have intermarried greatly with other groups and many share few physical similarities with the original Khiljis. Most modern Khilji people and tribes have very few cultural links with the original Turkic tribe, except for the Khiljis of Iran and Afghanistan, who speak a Khalaj dialect of the Khalaj language group. Modern Khalji people are not more comparable to the past Khalji tribes who were of pure Turkic stock. For example in the case of India, modern Khalji people became ethnic Indians and lost their east-Asian features and their Turkic identity. In Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq, they are either of hybrid origin or in the case of Turkmen Khalji tribe they kept Turks but became cultural Iranians and Indians. Because of this fact, most of modern Khalji people and tribes have no more ties or any kind of an identity that trace them intentional to the Turks, except for the Khaljis of Iran and Afghanistan."

Khilji dynasty information
"Origin of the Khalji people
It seems, that the larger Khilji tribe was once member of Hephthalites of central Asia who also conquered -invaded- India. Originally, the Khaljis were mainly dwelling in Turkestan, except in some casesE.J. Brill's First Encyclopaedia of Islam, 1913-1936, p. 326Eran, Land zwischen Tigris und Indus, 1879, p. 268The Pathans: 550 B.C.-A.D. 1957,by Olaf Kirkpatrick Caroe or members of ancient Gökturks. In older scripts of Al-Biruni, Al-Khwarezmi, Masudi, in Juzjani's Hudud ul-'alam min al-mashriq ila al-maghrib and of Arab and Indian historians (Ibn Batuta, Ibn Khaldun or Vahara Mihira etc.) they are considered as one of the original (in the sense of real) members of the Hephtalite's confederation and of Turkic origin who are also found as nomads near Bactria, in Turfan (Turkestan) and east-ward of modern Ghazni in Afghanistan. Possibly, they have split themselves from these large area up and moved to Iran, Armenia, Iraq, Anatolia, Turkmenistan, Punjab) and modern Pakistan and Afghanistan, around the Sulaiman Mountains under the GhaznavidsThe Cambridge History of Iran, 1968, p.217 by William Bayne Fisher, Ehsan Yarshater, Ilya Gershevitch and Richard Nelson (see also on Ghalzais). In Iran, they moved to Pars where they settled an isolated region which is called today as Khaljistan - Land of Khaljis. However, Persians of Iran use the term Khalji also to describe nomads of Turkic background in their country. Also in in the Kohistan district of Pakistan, there is a place called after the Khiljis. The Khilji people of Iran and Afghanistan, the Ghilzai (also called Khaldjish) fraction of the Pashtuns, the Khaldji people of Bengal and Sindh are considered as descendants of ancient and middle-age Khalji (sub-)tribes. However, modern Khalji people are not more comparable to the past Khalji tribes who were of pure Turkic stock. For example in the case of India, modern Khalji people became ethnic Indians and lost their east-Asian features and their Turkic identity. In Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq, they are either of hybrid origin or in the case of Turkmen Khalji tribe they kept Turks but became culturally Iranians and South Asian. Because of this fact, most of modern Khalji people and tribes have no more ties or any kind of an identity that trace them intentional to the Turks, except for the Khaljis of Iran and Afghanistan, who speak a Khalaj dialect of the Khalaj language group.

Cultural achievements and religious propagation
The main court language of Khiljis became Persian, followed by Arabic and their own native Turkoman language and some of north-Indian dialects. Even if it was not related with their nature as original nomads and had no ties with urbane cultures and civilizations, the Khilji of Delhi promoted Persian language to a high degree. Such a co-existence of different languages gave birth to the earliest and archaic version of Urdu. According to Ibn Batuta, the Khiljis encouraged conversion to Islam by making it a custom to have the convert presented to the Sultan who would place a robe on the convert and award him with bracelets of gold.The preaching of Islam: a history of the propagation of the Muslim faith By Sir Thomas Walker Arnold, pg. 212 During Ikhtiyar Uddin Bakhtiyar Khilji's control of the Bengal, Muslim missionaries in India achieved their greatest success, in terms of number of converts to Islam.The preaching of Islam: a history of the propagation of the Muslim faith By Sir Thomas Walker Arnold, pg. 227-228"

During 1221 Mongol invasion, many Khalajes joined the Mongols. Some Mongols claim part descent from Khalaj:

Kharchin Mongols - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The Kharchin were originated from the Kipchak guard troops served in Khanbalik or Dadu (today's Beijing, great capital of Yuan empire) and other Chinese areas, and also the Kipchak royal horse herder groups in the present Khovd Province and its neighborhood areas of Mongolia. The Kipchaks got the name of Kharchin because their horse herders were famous for their tribute of horse milk wine to Yuan emperors, the Kharchin originally means people who brew black horse milk wine. Some scholars also argues that the Kharchins were originated at least partly from the Khalaj of the historical Khorasan area in today's Iran and Afghanistan, who were a sub-group of the Oghuz or Arghu Turks. The Kharchin's Bolai Tayisi was the successor of Arugtai Tayisi, he recovered the power of the eastern Mongols against the Oirads."

The ethnic origins of the Kharchin Mongols - History Forum ~ All Empires
"Asud, Kharchin and Sharnud were known as the Huuchin or old Kharchin, who were the core tribes of the Yunsheebuu Tumen. The Asuds were originated from the Yuan Empire's royal guard troops of the Alans, the Asud's Arugtai Tayisi could be recognized as the first leader of the Yunsheebuu-Kharchin tribal alliance and one of the most important leaders during the Northern Yuan dynasty. The Kharchins were originated from the Kipchak guard troops served in Khanbalik or Dadu(today's Beijing, great capital of Yuan empire) and other Chinese areas, and also the Kipchak royal horse herder groups in the present Khovd province and its neighborhood areas of Mongolia. The Kipchaks got the name of Kharchin because their horse herders were famous for their tribute of horse milk wine to Yuan emperors, the Kharchin originally means people who brew black horse milk wine. Some scholars also argues that the Kharchins were originated at least partly from the Khalaj of the historical Khoransan area in today's Iran and Afghanistan, who were a sub-group of the Oghuz or Arghu Turks. The Kharchin's Bolai tayisi was the successor of Arugtai tayisi, he recovered the power of the eastern Mongols against the Oirads. There's no the exact clues for the origins of the Sharnuud yet, but Yunsheebuu Tumen's Sharnuud shouldn't be simply considered as yellow-head Uriankhai or others, while there're so many tribes like Uriankhai, Naiman and Buryat, that consisted of such a clan of the Sharnuud, even some of the Mongolized Uigurs were named as the Sharnuud too. The name of Sharnuud may suggest their non-Mongoloid physical characters, Yunsheebuu's Sharnuud seems some European looking group followed with the Alans and Kipchaks to serve for the Yuan court in Khanbalik(Dadu)."


The Khalajs are not Proto-Turks but they speak a language which is thought to be close to the old Turkic language. Proto-Turks and the Proto-Turkic language don't exist anymore.

Old Turkic (also East Old Turkic, Orkhon Turkic, Old Uyghur) is the earliest attested form of Turkic, found in Göktürk and Uyghurinscriptions dating from about the 7th century to the 13th century. It is the oldest attested member of the Orkhon branch of Turkic, which is extant in the modern Western Yugur language. Confusingly, it is not the ancestor of the language now calledUighur; the contemporaneous ancestor of Uighur to the west is called Middle Turkic.

Old Turkic is attested in a number of scripts, including the Orkhon-Yenisei runiform script, the Old Uyghur alphabet (a form of theSogdian alphabet), the Brāhmī script, the Manichean alphabet, and the Perso-Arabic script.


The Proto-Turkic language is the hypothetical proto-language of the family of Turkic languages that predates the separation of the Turkic peoples and separation into Oghuz and Oghur branches. A separate Turkic family is believed to have existed since approximately 4500-4000 BCE[1][2][3] though its separation into its modern branches may have taken as recently as 500 BCE.[2] Its speakers are usually connected with the early archaeological horizon of west and central Siberia and in the region south of it.[2]

The oldest records of a Turkic language, the Old Turkic Orkhon inscriptions of the 7th century Göktürk khaganate, already show characteristics of the Eastern branch of Turkic, and reconstruction of Proto-Turkic must rely on comparisons of Old Turkic with early sources of the Western branches, Oghuz and Kypchak, as well as the Oghur branch (Bulgar, Chuvash,Hunnic, Khazar, Turkic Avar). Since attestation of these non-Eastern languages is much more sparse, reconstruction of Proto-Turkic still rests fundamentally on East Old Turkic of the Göktürks.

Proto-Turkic language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
The Khalajs are not Proto-Turks but they speak a language which is thought to be close to the old Turkic language. Proto-Turks and the Proto-Turkic language don't exist anymore.

Old Turkic (also East Old Turkic, Orkhon Turkic, Old Uyghur) is the earliest attested form of Turkic, found in Göktürk and Uyghurinscriptions dating from about the 7th century to the 13th century. It is the oldest attested member of the Orkhon branch of Turkic, which is extant in the modern Western Yugur language. Confusingly, it is not the ancestor of the language now calledUighur; the contemporaneous ancestor of Uighur to the west is called Middle Turkic.

Old Turkic is attested in a number of scripts, including the Orkhon-Yenisei runiform script, the Old Uyghur alphabet (a form of theSogdian alphabet), the Brāhmī script, the Manichean alphabet, and the Perso-Arabic script.


The Proto-Turkic language is the hypothetical proto-language of the family of Turkic languages that predates the separation of the Turkic peoples and separation into Oghuz and Oghur branches. A separate Turkic family is believed to have existed since approximately 4500-4000 BCE[1][2][3] though its separation into its modern branches may have taken as recently as 500 BCE.[2] Its speakers are usually connected with the early archaeological horizon of west and central Siberia and in the region south of it.[2]

The oldest records of a Turkic language, the Old Turkic Orkhon inscriptions of the 7th century Göktürk khaganate, already show characteristics of the Eastern branch of Turkic, and reconstruction of Proto-Turkic must rely on comparisons of Old Turkic with early sources of the Western branches, Oghuz and Kypchak, as well as the Oghur branch (Bulgar, Chuvash,Hunnic, Khazar, Turkic Avar). Since attestation of these non-Eastern languages is much more sparse, reconstruction of Proto-Turkic still rests fundamentally on East Old Turkic of the Göktürks.

Proto-Turkic language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please read my post again, I did not say Khalaj's were Proto-Turks, rather what I said was they were originally a Proto-Turkic tribe, meaning they possibly descend from a Proto-Turkic tribe. Here is more about origin of Khalaj tribe:
Alat tribe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Alat tribe
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Alat (Ala-at, Ala, Alachin, Alagchin, Alchin, Alchi, Alayundu ("piebald horse"); Chinese Boma 駁馬 "piebald horse", Bi-la, Helai 賀賴, Helan 賀蘭, Heloγ, Hela, Arabic Khalaj and Khalaches, Bactrian Xalaso,) are one of the salient Turkic tribes known from Chinese annals, Bactrian inscriptions,[1] and Arab and Persianmedieval geographers as a prominent tribe that played a distinguished role in the history of Eurasia. In "Tang huiyao" the Alat tamga is depicted as [2] The modern Alats live in Russia in the Altai, Kazakhstan, Turkey, eastern section of the Iranian plateau, India, and Afghanistan, they are known as Alats, Alachins, Alayundu, Khalaj, and Khalaches.

Literature on Alats is very rich, Alats were a subject of study by Tangshu, Jiu Tangshu, Tang Huiyao, N.Ya. Bichurin, S.E.Malov, N.A.Aristov, G.E.Grumm-Grjimailo, Yu.Nemeth, G.Hоworth, P. Pelliot, L Hambis, and others.

Name
In ancient Türkic lexicon the meaning of "skewbald" (horse) is expressed with the terms ala, alagchin, still active now in composite expressions. The Chinese transcription for Alachins E-lo-chji is the earliest transmission for the Alat tribe within the Kazakh Junior Juz and parts of Uzbeks. During the Tang time, the Chinese chroniclers used a Chinese version for "skewbald horses", Boma.[3]

History
Southern Huns in China
Tongdian states that around 349-370 CE a leader of Southern Huns Heloγ Tou (i.e. Alat Tou), with a title Shanyu, brought his tribe of 35 thousand people to the Former Yan Xianbei state and submitted to its dynasty. The Shanyu Helai Toy was bestowed a title of General Pacifying the West, and settled in the Daizong district. It adds that apparently, the tribe Yanto are their descendants. Yanto lived intermixed with tribe Se, therefore they are called Se-yanto (Pin. Xueyantuo), that surname of Kagan clan was Ili-tu, that from generation to generation Se-yanto were a strong tribe, and that Se-yanto was a Tele (Pin. Tiele) tribe.[4] Fang Xuanling in Jin Shustated that Helai (Alats) were one of 19 tribes of the Southern Hun Shanyu.[5]

Hephthalites
According to the Chinese annals, the home of the Eastern Hun tribe Alat was in the basin of the Narym River. From the Alat tribe originated one of the Eastern Hun Shanuys called Helog Tou, i.e. Alat Tou, most likely named after his maternal tribe. Under Arabicized name Khalajes, Alats are known to constitute one of the major tribes of the 5th-6th century CE Hephthalites.[6] Tangshu tells about Alats: "They are north from the Türks, 14,000 li from the Chinese capital. They follow grass and water, but mostly live in the mountains. Their standing army is 30,000 men. There is always snow, and foliage does not fall down. They plough fields with horses. All horses are skewbald colors, therefore the state is also given the same name. They live in the north near a sea. Though they have horses, they do not ride them, but use their milk for food. They are frequently at war with Kirgizes". Jiu Tangshu mentions a tribe of skewbald horses among Basmyls, Kirguts, Tuhsi, etc., who in 638 submitted to the Western Türkic Torok-kagan Du-lu ke-han. Tundyan cites as a comment a fragment from an unknown composition that "Tu-jüe (Türks) call the skewbald horses e-la (а-la), and the state is also called "e-la".[3]

Middle Ages
From the story of Abulgazi and description of two Mongolian embassies (in 1233 and 1254) to Alachins, they lived along Yenisei, the sources of Angara, and the east coast of lake Baikal, called by the Chinese chroniclers "Northern sea". Based on annalistic traditions, the author of the "Family tree of Türks" Abulgazi described the country of skewbald horses: "A multitude of Tatar tribes coached along the banks of the Angara-muren, which runs east of the Kirgiz country and runs into the sea. On the seacoast at the estuary of this river is a large city surrounded by settlements where live nomadic tribes in large numbers. Their horses are large... All of them are skewbald in hue, there are no others. Near that city called Alakchin was a silver spring, therefore all caldrons, dishes, and vases were from silver. It is that country that the Uzbeks mean when say: "there is a country where all horses are skewbald, and the stoves are from gold".[3] The Khaljī tribe had long been settled in Afghanistan.[7] A Khilji dynasty of Turko-Afghan Khalaj origin ruled large parts of South Asia from 1290 to 1320, they were the second Muslim dynasty to rule the Delhi Sultanate of India, they are noted in history for repeatedly defeating the warring Mongols and thereby saving India from plundering raids and attacks.[8]

Modern time
After the Russian revolution in 1917, Alats (Kazakh: Alaş), named after a legendary founder of the Kazakh people, headed a movement of the Turkestan peoples for independence, and created a functioning state of the Kazakh people known as Alash Autonomy that operated between December 13, 1917 and August 26, 1920, controlling roughly the territory of the present day Republic of Kazakhstan, with a capital in Alash-qala (modern Semey). The Alash leaders in December 1917 proclaimed establishment of Alash Orda, a Kazakh government, aligned with the Russian White Army and fought against the Bolsheviks.

In 1919, when the White forces were losing, Alash Autonomous government began negotiations with the Bolsheviks. In 1919–20 Bolsheviks defeated the White Russian forces in the region and occupied Kazakhstan. On August 26, 1920, the new Soviet government disbanded the Alash Autonomy, and established the "Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic", later the name was changed in 1925 to "Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic" and changed again in 1936 to "Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic". However, the movement for independence continued, and it continued until 1925, when the war for independence was finally extinguished

Modern demographics
Alats are one of the main components of the Turkish people known under the name Alayundu which means "spotted horses", they live in central Turkey. As of 2000, approximately 42,000 speakers of the Khalaj language lived in Iran, per ISO 639-3 their language ia called Turkic Khalaj, to distinguish it from the Indo-Iranian "Khalaj" language. In the Causacus, in Armenia and Azerbaijan are a number of settlements with the name ascending to the Alats, they also are in Uzbekistan and Tatarstan, and in the form Kalat in Khorasan. In Afghanistan, Alats are known as one of the largest Pashtun tribes, the Ghilzais, they were pasturing at the Gazni plateau. In India, Alats are called Ghalzae. In Khorasan, Alats are called Kalat, they are Alats and Alaş in Kazakhstan, and Alats and Alachins in Altai in Russia.[9]

Linguistic distinction
Principal linguistic work on Alat langiage (Khalaj in modern Iran) was done by Gerhard Doerfer, who posited a non-Oguz classification based on specific features such as preservation of three vowel lengths, preservation of word-initial *h, and lack of the sound change *d > y. An example of these features is the word hadaq("foot"), which has preserved the initial *h and medial *d, versus the Oguz form ayaq. Therefore Alat is an independent language that became distinct very early from the Oguz Turkic languages.[10][11] Because of these distinct features, scholars speculated that the Alat (Khalaj) is a descendant of the Ogur branch of the Turkic family, but there is no firm scholarly consensus on its affinities."

Turkic languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"With less certainty, the Southwestern, Northwestern, Southeastern and Oghur groups may further be summarized as West Turkic, the Northeastern, Kyrgyz-Kipchak and Arghu (Khalaj) groups as East Turkic.[16]

Geographically and linguistically, the languages of the Northwestern and Southeastern subgroups belong to the central Turkic languages, while the Northeastern and Khalaj languages are the so-called peripheral languages.

Additional isoglosses include:
  • Preservation of word initial *h, e.g. in the word for "foot" *hadaq. This separates Khalaj as a peripheral language."
Note the first comparison table, Khalaj is closer to Old Turkic, Sakha/Yakut and Tuva language than other branches of Turkic.
 
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Please read my post again, I did not say Khalaj's were Proto-Turks, rather what I said was they were originally a Proto-Turkic tribe, meaning they possibly descend from a Proto-Turkic tribe. Here is more about origin of Khalaj tribe:
Alat tribe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Alat tribe
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Alat (Ala-at, Ala, Alachin, Alagchin, Alchin, Alchi, Alayundu ("piebald horse"); Chinese Boma 駁馬 "piebald horse", Bi-la, Helai 賀賴, Helan 賀蘭, Heloγ, Hela, Arabic Khalaj and Khalaches, Bactrian Xalaso,) are one of the salient Turkic tribes known from Chinese annals, Bactrian inscriptions,[1] and Arab and Persianmedieval geographers as a prominent tribe that played a distinguished role in the history of Eurasia. In "Tang huiyao" the Alat tamga is depicted as [2] The modern Alats live in Russia in the Altai, Kazakhstan, Turkey, eastern section of the Iranian plateau, India, and Afghanistan, they are known as Alats, Alachins, Alayundu, Khalaj, and Khalaches.

Literature on Alats is very rich, Alats were a subject of study by Tangshu, Jiu Tangshu, Tang Huiyao, N.Ya. Bichurin, S.E.Malov, N.A.Aristov, G.E.Grumm-Grjimailo, Yu.Nemeth, G.Hоworth, P. Pelliot, L Hambis, and others.

Name
In ancient Türkic lexicon the meaning of "skewbald" (horse) is expressed with the terms ala, alagchin, still active now in composite expressions. The Chinese transcription for Alachins E-lo-chji is the earliest transmission for the Alat tribe within the Kazakh Junior Juz and parts of Uzbeks. During the Tang time, the Chinese chroniclers used a Chinese version for "skewbald horses", Boma.[3]

History
Southern Huns in China
Tongdian states that around 349-370 CE a leader of Southern Huns Heloγ Tou (i.e. Alat Tou), with a title Shanyu, brought his tribe of 35 thousand people to the Former Yan Xianbei state and submitted to its dynasty. The Shanyu Helai Toy was bestowed a title of General Pacifying the West, and settled in the Daizong district. It adds that apparently, the tribe Yanto are their descendants. Yanto lived intermixed with tribe Se, therefore they are called Se-yanto (Pin. Xueyantuo), that surname of Kagan clan was Ili-tu, that from generation to generation Se-yanto were a strong tribe, and that Se-yanto was a Tele (Pin. Tiele) tribe.[4] Fang Xuanling in Jin Shustated that Helai (Alats) were one of 19 tribes of the Southern Hun Shanyu.[5]

Hephthalites
According to the Chinese annals, the home of the Eastern Hun tribe Alat was in the basin of the Narym River. From the Alat tribe originated one of the Eastern Hun Shanuys called Helog Tou, i.e. Alat Tou, most likely named after his maternal tribe. Under Arabicized name Khalajes, Alats are known to constitute one of the major tribes of the 5th-6th century CE Hephthalites.[6] Tangshu tells about Alats: "They are north from the Türks, 14,000 li from the Chinese capital. They follow grass and water, but mostly live in the mountains. Their standing army is 30,000 men. There is always snow, and foliage does not fall down. They plough fields with horses. All horses are skewbald colors, therefore the state is also given the same name. They live in the north near a sea. Though they have horses, they do not ride them, but use their milk for food. They are frequently at war with Kirgizes". Jiu Tangshu mentions a tribe of skewbald horses among Basmyls, Kirguts, Tuhsi, etc., who in 638 submitted to the Western Türkic Torok-kagan Du-lu ke-han. Tundyan cites as a comment a fragment from an unknown composition that "Tu-jüe (Türks) call the skewbald horses e-la (а-la), and the state is also called "e-la".[3]

Middle Ages
From the story of Abulgazi and description of two Mongolian embassies (in 1233 and 1254) to Alachins, they lived along Yenisei, the sources of Angara, and the east coast of lake Baikal, called by the Chinese chroniclers "Northern sea". Based on annalistic traditions, the author of the "Family tree of Türks" Abulgazi described the country of skewbald horses: "A multitude of Tatar tribes coached along the banks of the Angara-muren, which runs east of the Kirgiz country and runs into the sea. On the seacoast at the estuary of this river is a large city surrounded by settlements where live nomadic tribes in large numbers. Their horses are large... All of them are skewbald in hue, there are no others. Near that city called Alakchin was a silver spring, therefore all caldrons, dishes, and vases were from silver. It is that country that the Uzbeks mean when say: "there is a country where all horses are skewbald, and the stoves are from gold".[3] The Khaljī tribe had long been settled inAfghanistan.[7] A Khilji dynasty of Turko-Afghan Khalaj origin ruled large parts of South Asia from 1290 to 1320, they were the second Muslim dynasty to rule theDelhi Sultanate of India, they are noted in history for repeatedly defeating the warring Mongols and thereby saving India from plundering raids and attacks.[8]

Modern time
After the Russian revolution in 1917, Alats (Kazakh: Alaş), named after a legendary founder of the Kazakh people, headed a movement of the Turkestan peoples for independence, and created a functioning state of the Kazakh people known as Alash Autonomy that operated between December 13, 1917 and August 26, 1920, controlling roughly the territory of the present day Republic of Kazakhstan, with a capital in Alash-qala (modern Semey). The Alash leaders in December 1917 proclaimed establishment of Alash Orda, a Kazakh government, aligned with the Russian White Army and fought against the Bolsheviks.

In 1919, when the White forces were losing, Alash Autonomous government began negotiations with the Bolsheviks. In 1919–20 Bolsheviks defeated the White Russian forces in the region and occupied Kazakhstan. On August 26, 1920, the new Soviet government disbanded the Alash Autonomy, and established the "Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic", later the name was changed in 1925 to "Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic" and changed again in 1936 to "Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic". However, the movement for independence continued, and it continued until 1925, when the war for independence was finally extinguished

Modern demographics
Alats are one of the main components of the Turkish people known under the name Alayundu which means "spotted horses", they live in central Turkey. As of 2000, approximately 42,000 speakers of the Khalaj language lived in Iran, per ISO 639-3 their language ia called Turkic Khalaj, to distinguish it from the Indo-Iranian "Khalaj" language. In the Causacus, in Armenia and Azerbaijan are a number of settlements with the name ascending to the Alats, they also are in Uzbekistan and Tatarstan, and in the form Kalat in Khorasan. In Afghanistan, Alats are known as one of the largest Pashtun tribes, the Ghilzais, they were pasturing at the Gazni plateau. In India, Alats are called Ghalzae. In Khorasan, Alats are called Kalat, they are Alats and Alaş in Kazakhstan, and Alats and Alachins in Altai in Russia.[9]

Linguistic distinction
Principal linguistic work on Alat langiage (Khalaj in modern Iran) was done by Gerhard Doerfer, who posited a non-Oguz classification based on specific features such as preservation of three vowel lengths, preservation of word-initial *h, and lack of the sound change *d > y. An example of these features is the word hadaq("foot"), which has preserved the initial *h and medial *d, versus the Oguz form ayaq. Therefore Alat is an independent language that became distinct very early from the Oguz Turkic languages.[10][11] Because of these distinct features, scholars speculated that the Alat (Khalaj) is a descendant of the Ogur branch of the Turkic family, but there is no firm scholarly consensus on its affinities.

Turkic languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"With less certainty, the Southwestern, Northwestern, Southeastern and Oghur groups may further be summarized as West Turkic, the Northeastern, Kyrgyz-Kipchak and Arghu (Khalaj) groups as East Turkic.[16]

Geographically and linguistically, the languages of the Northwestern and Southeastern subgroups belong to the central Turkic languages, while the Northeastern and Khalaj languages are the so-called peripheral languages.

Additional isoglosses include:
  • Preservation of word initial *h, e.g. in the word for "foot" *hadaq. This separates Khalaj as a peripheral language."

No Khaljis are not the descendants of Proto-Turks because there isn't any Proto-Turkic language anymore. Linguists and scholars only say that the Khalji language is close to the old Turkic language just like the Yugur language
 
No Khaljis are not the descendants of Proto-Turks because there isn't any Proto-Turkic language anymore. Linguists and scholars only say that the Khalji language is close to the old Turkic language just like the Yugur language

Of course there is no Proto-Turkic language anymore, but how does that imply that Khalaj are not descendant of Proto-Turks, by definition all Turkic tribes are descendant of Proto-Turks.
 
Of course there is no Proto-Turkic language anymore, but how does that imply that Khalaj are not descendant of Proto-Turks, by definition all Turkic tribes are descendant of Proto-Turks.

Yes by definition all Turkic are descendant of Proto-Turks so why are Khalajs special know? They are just as Proto-Turkic as Turks, Azeris, Uzbeks
 
Yes by definition all Turkic are descendant of Proto-Turks so why are Khalajs special know? They are just as Proto-Turkic as Turks, Azeris, Uzbeks

Not sure if I understand your question. They are not special, I am just trying to refute the suggestion that they were not a Turkic tribe and are of Pashtun origin.
 
@Charon 2
@kalu_miah

It was vastly educative to read about the Turks and the proto-Turks and every other kind of Turk that most of us never knew existed.

Some of us still want to read @kalu_miah on the subject of Islam in Bengal, and on Bengali ethnicity. That is the point, and not the history of the Turks.

Could we come back please?
 
Very funny.We were also a part of
Tamils long time ago.But due to foreign traders settlement and others we are become different than Tamils.
My grand father was a Brahmin .I am from Nair caste.Nairs are the chieftains of kerala.
And I also saw some BD in kerala probably come as pole vaulters.Our SC/ST peoples are even nicer than them

Ugly people find their way to India anyways.. Thats why Indians are so ugly... :)
WTF is nair anyways... Nairs are considered Dalit in Bangladesh.. :(
 
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