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Rich-poor gap increases in Bangladesh

South Asian country set to record big rise in millionaires to underline unfair distribution of wealth

https://www.ucanews.com/news/rich-poor-gap-increases-in-bangladesh/84334


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A Bangladeshi worker loads his rickshaw van near the Buriganga River in Dhaka in this file image. Two global studies say the gap between poor and rich continues to widen in the country. (Photo by Munir Uz Zaman/AFP)

Stephan Uttom and Rock Ronald Rozario, Dhaka
Bangladesh
January 22, 2019
The gap between rich and poor people continues to widen in Bangladesh, which also ranks among those countries with the fastest-growing number of very wealthy people, according to two recent global studies.

Bangladesh was ranked fifth behind India, Nigeria, Congo and Ethiopia for extreme poverty, according to the Poverty and Shared Prosperity 2018 report by the World Bank. Next came Tanzania, Madagascar, Kenya, Mozambique and Indonesia.

The report says Bangladesh is home to 24.1 million extremely poor people (out of more than 160 million) who earn less than US$1.90 a day, the international poverty threshold.

This comes against the backdrop of the Muslim-majority country's remarkable progress in reducing its poverty rate in recent decades.

According to the state-run Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics, the poverty rate fell from 44.2 percent in 1991 to about 15 percent in 2016-17 because of 6 percent annual growth during this period.

Bangladesh will record the third-quickest growth in the number of high-net-worth individuals in the world in the next five years, according to a new report by Wealth-X, a New York-based research firm.

The High Net Worth Handbook 2019 provides an analysis of the world's millionaire population (those with US$1-30 million of net worth), which rose by 1.9 percent to 22.4 million people in 2018 and is forecast to increase by another 6.2 percent over the next five years.

The widening gulf between rich and poor shows a disparity in the distribution of wealth and an unfair share of economic dividends in Bangladesh, analysts say.

"It is true that Bangladesh is progressing fast to be a sustainable economy from a lackluster economy. However, the problem is that wealth distribution is not fair enough and discrimination is still high. There is also a tendency of getting rich by adopting illegal and immoral means," Anu Muhammad, a professor of economics at Jahangir Nagar University in Dhaka, told ucanews.com.

Bangladesh still has a long way to go to ensure a fair minimum wage for working-class people, a just taxation policy, expenditure on the social sector and a proportionate increase in employment, he said.

"The economic success story is overshadowed by a manifold rise in wealth disparity, which is dangerous. No progress can be sustainable if we fail to reduce discrimination and the wealth gap," Muhammad added.

Jibon D. Das, regional director of Catholic charity Caritas Khulna, which covers Bangladesh's impoverished southern coastal region, agreed.

"Both reports reflect the reality in Bangladesh. The rich are getting richer by flexing their economic and political muscles, often immorally and criminally, while the poor remain neglected and discriminated. The situation is almost the same in all parts of the country," Das told ucanews.com.

Only a few get rich by honest and fair means, he noted.

"The people who amass massive wealth do it through irregularities, corruption and crimes such as drug peddling and smuggling. They remain above the law thanks to their economic and political clout. The government needs to ensure accountability and good governance and reduce discrimination and inequality," Das said.

The government is committed to poverty alleviation and reducing inequality, said Muhammad Shamsul Alam, from the planning department of the Social Welfare Ministry.

"For a lower-middle-income country like Bangladesh, it is very tough to graduate from the poverty threshold. However, the government is committed to sustainable development for the poor by 2021 with increased socioeconomic spending, and targets complete eradication of poverty by 2030," Alam told ucanews.com.
 
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At this stage it is inevitable. Kuznets curve explains it.
 
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At this stage it is inevitable. Kuznets curve explains it.

Doesn't explain real household consumption decreasing though. That should be increasing no matter what the spread looks like. Its a real worry for BD if the poorest are consuming less than before.
 
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I just love these western Christian charities who are looking for 'poverty targets', which is a favorite hobby of these outfits. Bangladesh, Honduras, Peru, it doesn't matter where it is, they are there with their,

a) conversion agendas on the ground in the slums in these 3rd world countries,
b) while videos of slums on late-night TV at home elicit money raising strategies for televangelists.

The religious right in Western countries loves to misle the clueless blind sheeple in their countries using stories on how they 'rescued' a bunch of third-worlders, when this type of financial (rent-a-slumdog for a dollar-a-day) scummy behavior and scams is their ticket to ascend to political power in their own countries.

IMHO Bangladesh should regulate the activities of these NGO's and charities much more closely. We have plenty of homegrown NGO's doing far more effective work at poverty alleviation - tell these scammers to close up shop and go home.

We don't need these scammers to trumpet whatever problem for their own benefit.

We need solutions, not someone telling us the obvious.
 
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Doesn't explain real household consumption decreasing though. That should be increasing no matter what the spread looks like. Its a real worry for BD if the poorest are consuming less than before.
GDP to Household consumption is decreasing in terms of percentage. But that is a good thing. It was 75% back in 2008. And in 2017, it is 68%. Will continue to go down for years to come.
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/Bangladesh/household_consumption/

In therms of absolute value, it is very much increasing.
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/bangladesh/household-final-consumption-expenditure

Year Value
2006 $53,017,400,000
2007 $59,242,200,000
2008 $69,568,900,000
2009 $76,768,910,000
2010 $85,805,250,000
2011 $96,553,430,000
2012 $99,331,460,000
2013 $110,565,000,000
2014 $125,548,000,000
2015 $142,645,000,000
2016 $153,020,000,000

Basically tripled in 10 years.
 
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In therms of absolute value, it is very much increasing.

So? Govt can (effectively) print 100 times the money and say its grown a 100 times. Or a 1000 times or a million times why not...Zimbabwe is a great recent success story in this strategy.

I'm talking about REAL consumption. Don't care if the 2 apples I bought yesterday were worth 10 taka....and now I have 30 taka but can only buy one apple with it. I care about the apples, not the Taka. I can't eat Taka now can I?

GDP to Household consumption is decreasing in terms of percentage. But that is a good thing. It was 75% back in 2008. And in 2017, it is 68%. Will continue to go down for years to come.

Again, I'm talking about how much GDP (and essentially everything BD measures) is even real in the first place....not what gets laundered to inflate it so more money can be borrowed externally because the credit rating is absolute crap.

Not one, NOT ONE Asian developing country has seen real household incomes decrease in their so-called growth trajectory phase (especially this early). Increase slower than one would think, sure...but decrease? Thats a terrible thing that should be raising all kinds of red flags...but amazingly it isn't.

Things need to be remedied - either the stats measurement is waaay off and BBS needs a big ole overhaul completely or something is terribly going wrong...or both.... what you cannot have is neither.

But what they ended up doing is suppress it (in the very report i.e HIES that was supposed to include such an important thing) thinking no one would notice (which is laughable given CPI indexing is literally the most playschool thing any BBS economist would have done right off the bat when given a nominal amount...so something is definitely going on).

But this guy caught onto it (I wish many more of him existed in BD, they could use these good, intelligent and truly concerned people):

https://opinion.bdnews24.com/2017/12/18/where-did-the-benefits-of-economic-growth-disappear/

And I yet have to hear even one basic counter analysis or explanation given by the BD govt or anyone else (BBS would be another relevant voice) as to why this was kept out of the report (or if there is some other valid reason), and what the hell is going on (like yesterday) to address this. Instead we don't even know which problem it is (A, B or A+B)....just avoid mentioning it, dump some passage of time on it, salt and pepper with some "election" stuff and more circus media charade and the problem becomes a null set apparently.

Then a bunch of you rush headlong to gloat about BD economic stuff to Pakistani members (whether they deserve it or initiated it or not is secondary thing). Give me a break.

@bluesky @Joe Shearer @GeraltofRivia @Tanveer666 @VCheng @scorpionx
 
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So? Govt can (effectively) print 100 times the money and say its grown a 100 times. Or a 1000 times or a million times why not...Zimbabwe is a great recent success story in this strategy.

I'm talking about REAL consumption. Don't care if the 2 apples I bought yesterday were worth 10 taka....and now I have 30 taka but can only buy one apple with it. I care about the apples, not the Taka. I can't eat Taka now can I?



Again, I'm talking about how much GDP (and essentially everything BD measures) is even real in the first place....not what gets laundered to inflate it so more money can be borrowed externally because the credit rating is absolute crap.

Not one, NOT ONE Asian developing country has seen real household incomes decrease in their so-called growth trajectory phase (especially this early). Increase slower than one would think, sure...but decrease? Thats a terrible thing that should be raising all kinds of red flags...but amazingly it isn't.

Things need to be remedied - either the stats measurement is waaay off and BBS needs a big ole overhaul completely or something is terribly going wrong...or both.... what you cannot have is neither.

But what they ended up doing is suppress it (in the very report i.e HIES that was supposed to include such an important thing) thinking no one would notice (which is laughable given CPI indexing is literally the most playschool thing any BBS economist would have done right off the bat when given a nominal amount...so something is definitely going on).

But this guy caught onto it (I wish many more of him existed in BD, they could use these good, intelligent and truly concerned people):

https://opinion.bdnews24.com/2017/12/18/where-did-the-benefits-of-economic-growth-disappear/

And I yet have to hear even one basic counter analysis or explanation given by the BD govt or anyone else (BBS would be another relevant voice) as to why this was kept out of the report (or if there is some other valid reason), and what the hell is going on (like yesterday) to address this. Instead we don't even know which problem it is (A, B or A+B)....just avoid mentioning it, dump some passage of time on it, salt and pepper with some "election" stuff and more circus media charade and the problem becomes a null set apparently.

Then a bunch of you rush headlong to gloat about BD economic stuff to Pakistani members (whether they deserve it or initiated it or not is secondary thing). Give me a break.

@bluesky @Joe Shearer @GeraltofRivia @Tanveer666 @VCheng @scorpionx
It is possible that the household income was overestimated before. It's not like BBS quality was better back then.

Look at tax revenue. Tax to GDP ratio increased over the year alongside GDP.
In 2010, Tax to GDP was 7.8% while GDP was 115 bn. Thus tax revenue was 9 bn.
In 2016, Tax to GDP was 8.7% while GDP was 250 bn. Thus tax revenue was 21.8 bn.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/GC.TAX.TOTL.GD.ZS?end=2016&locations=BD&start=2001&view=chart
According to some reports tax to GDP increased to 11.6% in 2018. Which would mean tax revenue in 2018 was 33 bn.

https://www.dhakatribune.com/busine...-tax-gap-to-gdp-ratio-highest-in-asia-pacific

This is certainly an increase. Of course BD does worst in Asia Pacific region. But the improvement is there. So, it is hard for me to believe that actual income of people went down.

Door to door begging almost stopped. Rickshaw fare increased a lot closed to 3 times in 10 years. Increased use of mobile phone, internet are also indicators that income did not actually went down. Industrial output increased a lot too. Now BD's industrial output is higher than Pakistan's. Export is much higher than it was in 2010. Forex is much higher than it was in 2010. Decrease of income, does not make any sense to me.

Bangladesh had only 3 Five star hotels in 2004. All were in Dhaka. Today Bangladesh has more than 20. Dhaka alone has like 10 five stars. And we have five stars in Chittagong, Sylhet, Coxs Bazar, and Khulna. Does it not compliment the growth figures?

Also BD has been growing more than 6% on average in last 18 years. It is just not possible to fake it for this long.
 
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When obesity is increasing in Bangladesh this Indian troll came with claim consumption is decreasing without considering other facts. Secondly the figure is from 2010 and Bangladesh has changed significantly during this time.

Let me tell you from which perspective consumption has decreased. Let’s say people used to have beef/mutton regularly which they have reduced to few times a month due to increased cost but having chicken as an alternatives.

People are now buying smart phones, smart TVs, other electronics, good clothings, furniture, going out at least for eating at least few times a month, going for vacation frequently. Beside rent increased, transportation and education cost of children increased as well beside utility cost increase. All these cost money. They need to adjust it from other places plus most people do savings.

However it is also true people are eating unhealthy foods to save money but not for poverty but to use it in other purposes.

No Bangladeshis eat rats or commits suicide like Indian farmers. In next two years Bangladesh will cross India in terms of per capita Income as well.
 
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It is possible that the household income was overestimated before. It's not like BBS quality was better back then.

Well did BBS or BD govt say so? They need to say so and take commensurate steps to address it (its called back forecasting btw, once you have better data now)...if its the case. But nothing being done. They actually letting this stuff stick and not addressing it. Its tantamount to fear of getting exposed even more. Trust me, BD is in for a real treat when the re-basing exercise takes place.

No Bangladeshis eat rats or commits suicide like Indian farmers.

No Bangladeshi has access to the level of Indian media either. A repressed totally corrupt country Bangladesh is. No permeation of anything that matters as far as mass media goes on issues that challenge a sitting govt. The very notion of democracy and free press is foreign to Bangladesh....I guess lingering psychology from the formation time, BAKSAL, military dictatorships and bipolar freak ladies playing musical thrones.

In next two years Bangladesh will cross India in terms of per capita Income as well.

Wrong. You haven't even passed Pakistan yet:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD?locations=PK-BD
 
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Well did BBS or BD govt say so? They need to say so and take commensurate steps to address it (its called back forecasting btw, once you have better data now)...if its the case. But nothing being done. They actually letting this stuff stick and not addressing it. Its tantamount to fear of getting exposed even more. Trust me, BD is in for a real treat when the re-basing exercise takes place.



No Bangladeshi has access to the level of Indian media either. A repressed totally corrupt country Bangladesh is. No permeation of anything that matters as far as mass media goes on issues that challenge a sitting govt. The very notion of democracy and free press is foreign to Bangladesh....I guess lingering psychology from the formation time, BAKSAL, military dictatorships and bipolar freak ladies playing musical thrones.



Wrong. You haven't even passed Pakistan yet:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD?locations=PK-BD

We have already crossed by a big margin. Just use current US $ instead of constant US $ with 2010 value. India is next.

This is your own Indian media published it:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wap.bu...al-development-indicators-118052700710_1.html
 
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Just use current US $

With Bangladeshi inflation as it is (eroding even household income to decrease using its own BBS + CPI data)?

Yeah no thanks.

You trade a pittance (even % level compared to India even though you have much tinier base), 4th world market cap on top...no point extrapolating exchange rate directly to crappy inflation-ridden BD claim on its GDDS nominal.
 
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Well did BBS or BD govt say so? They need to say so and take commensurate steps to address it (its called back forecasting btw, once you have better data now)...if its the case. But nothing being done. They actually letting this stuff stick and not addressing it. Its tantamount to fear of getting exposed even more. Trust me, BD is in for a real treat when the re-basing exercise takes place.
Let's wait a couple of years then.
 
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Rich poor gap is widening everywhere, especially the neighboring country.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...bottom-half-s-by-only-110-117121500440_1.html

In a growing third world economy, this is inevitable.

The income of the poor will not keep pace and will always play catch up. Because our South Asian economies are built on low-wage industries and that is what makes us attractive in the world as a labor source.

China is a different case as it was a centrally-planned, highly-disciplined economy. The 'iron bowl' was more or less assured.

@Two your comments please...
 
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Not one, NOT ONE Asian developing country has seen real household incomes decrease in their so-called growth trajectory phase (especially this early). Increase slower than one would think, sure...but decrease? Thats a terrible thing that should be raising all kinds of red flags...but amazingly it isn't
your saying that the household income decrease is something inevitable, why? shouldn't it be something to avoid.
 
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