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Rich Indians turn secessionist, giving up citizenship. ‘Nationalism’ poor man’s burden

Strange to see rich folks doing it, I thought they excelled in India. But then those who migrate do need resources to do so.
The USA is tops I see.
Probably also trying to get around having to pay some personal or business taxes. There was an NPR story on it a few weeks ago if I remember correctly. Countries like Greece, will continue to promote their investor permanent residence (which can lead to EU citizenship) plan.

There is only so much India can do to improve the quality of life for their high net worth individuals and their families that the Indian rich just don’t wait and want to move to the west. Also the business environment may not be as lucrative as the investor class would like, and just maybe moving to greener pastures.
 
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Hey @Black Tornado
Your ideal title should be a manager
Well a Sperm bank manager...
Since you are only good at jerking off your country fellows all over the forum.
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Nice idea, up for advert :lol:!
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Yes you’ll get remittance but the brain drain could cause long term issues, it’s a problem the developing world is suffering from we fail in retention of top talent.
This is why education should be democratized and not remain elitist. Better to have many mediocre universities than a few exceptional ones. Most people learn on the job anyway. :undecided:
 
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Successful Indians are giving up their Indian passport. What started as a trickle, now involves a much bigger volume. In 2020-21, 1.63 lakh Indians renounced their citizenship to take up foreign citizenship. This number is double compared to where it stood five years ago. The US was the preferred destination in 2021. Over 78,000 Indians acquired the American citizenship. Other preferred destinations are also mostly western countries — Australia (23,533), Canada (21,597), UK (14,637), Italy (5,986) and so on.
The question is why are these people giving up the Indian passport at a time when we are entering the ‘Amrit Kaal’, the nomenclature Narendra Modi government is using to define the period between India’s 75th Independence Day and the 100th in 2047? Don’t they love India and the Indian flag? Why are they opting to be adopted sons and daughters?


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The obvious reasons

One thing is for sure: this is not a push migration. Barring exceptions, the people who decided to move are highly educated, rich and privileged. They are not making this choice because they are persecuted, or there is famine or civil war in India.
According to a report of by the London-based global citizenship and residence advisory Henley & Partners (H&P), around 8,000 High Networth Individuals or HNIs will leave India this year. And this is the exodus of the rich and educated.



There are some obvious explanations for the rich and endowed Indians, who benefited most from the Indian democracy, to be giving up citizenship. The most common explanation is that the grass is greener on the other side. Pursuit of economic gains can be a big reason for such decisions. Quality of life is also better in the West and pollution is less menacing.
Another possible reason is that, in countries like the UAE and Singapore, individual tax rates are lower than India.

When the Modi government decided to crack down on black money and tax evaders, many Indians had applied this trick — let family members remain abroad for 182 or more days. This, by rule, made them “non-residents” with foreign accounts and businesses, which could be used by family members to stash money.

Affirmative action policies in India are also blamed for the exodus of Indians and that gives a hint that which social group is mostly migrating. The Economist has written in one of its commentaries that the Brahmins are forced to leave the country because of affirmative-action policies in India. Though this argument doesn’t hold good because affirmative action is only for the government jobs, which constitutes a miniscule percentage of the entire job market. In high-paying jobs, that percentage is further reduced.

Many may also be converting their H1B visas because India doesn’t allow dual citizenship.


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Having the ‘means’ to an ‘end’

My explanation for this exodus from the status of being an Indian citizen is twofold. One, successful Indians already have strong secessionist tendencies and two, they leave because only such people have means to leave.

If we check the urban elite spaces, we can easily see those secessionist tendencies of the rich. Their colonies or apartments have their own security systems, reverse osmosis water supply, private power generator sets, and even private recreational spaces. These colonies, in a way, function as separate micro nations. Their interaction with the State is manifested only when some crime or calamity happens. Most of these colonies are gated communities and RWAs are like a government there. In many metropolitan towns, RWAs in elite colonies erect gates at public roads and limit access to public parks and other government facilities.

In this case, there is a class in India that has actually become “independent” or “autonomous.” This class almost never uses government hospitals or educational facilities. It’s a big problem that they have to breathe the same air, but air purifiers have solved this problem also. Covid-19 proved to be a leveller when the elites were forced to share these spaces with the underclass, but that is one of exceptions. Under normal circumstances, there is a separate private infrastructure to cater to their requirements. This class goes abroad to spend holidays. This class sends their kids to the schools affiliated to international boards. Global citizenship and global village is not some distant idea or concept for them. There are people in India who live these concepts and migrate at the first opportunity.

Being part of this group is not at all bad. The fact is that the underclass aspires to enter these spaces not as trespassers but as legitimate members. Rich people are their role models. I am of the view that this aspiration is good and brings hope. ‘Satisfaction’ or ‘contentment’ is the word I hate. Only problem is that the Nahruvian Model of socialism never facilitated such transitions for the masses. Because of the extremely slow growth of the Indian economy in the formative decades of the nation, socialism became a model to distribute poverty. There was, in fact, not much to trickle down. The entrepreneurial potential of the nation was curbed.

I am not blaming any person for that economic catastrophe. Early years after Independence were tumultuous and the decision makers must be keeping many factors while making economic decisions. But we must admit that the State socialism model failed to produce a big middle class. Rather, large masses remained poor and lacked capacity to uplift their life. In rural India, by and large, the feudal structure continued. As contribution of agriculture in the GDP declined and population load on the agrarian economy did not reduce substantially, rural prosperity remained elusive for a large swath of masses. Despite change in course in economic policy in the 1990s, the size of Indian middle class continued to remain small. This should be a matter of utmost concern for the present policy makers. Increase in the size of the middle class is important as this will democratise the process of migration. This is an opportunity which should be available to one and all.
This brings us to the second question.

As granting citizenship in the western world, especially in the top-5 destinations for Indians, has been tightened over the years, one must have a certain financial and educational threshold to migrate to these countries. That threshold itself will put this group in the top one per cent of the Indian population. Especially, in the US, which accounts for almost 50 per cent of Indians migrating, H1B visa or other modes of long-term and permanent residency is mostly given to the highly skilled and highly paid individuals. This restriction acts as a barrier for most Indians to even think of migrating to that country.

In any case, as rich Indians are picking foreign passports and others are probably dreaming to renounce their Indian citizenship at the first opportunity, the sanctimoniousness of discourses like ‘national pride’ and ‘love for one’s own nation’ should be reframed.

With India integrating with the global economies, the national boundaries may blur more and more. Till then, the poor and underclass in India has to carry the burden of flag-waving nationalistic pride. Their role models are leaving.

Dilip Mandal is the former managing editor of India Today Hindi Magazine, and has authored books on media and sociology. Views are personal.
(Edited by Anurag Chaubey)

Don't forget many of these "highly skilled" Indians are on paper only. They end up being Uber/taxi/truck drivers flooding the local job market with cheap labor. This mass Indian migration is causing a lot of resentment among locals in western countries. Hopefully they will do something about it or there will be no innovative talent left in this world.
 
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Why should rich and middle class stay in India that exploits its middle class and gives almost nothing in return ? An India where there is 50% reservation for the "privileged caste" ? Where Hindus are constantly humiliated and "minorities" are appeased ? Hindus and middle class Indians are persecuted LESS in the US and Europe than in India.

I was foolish enough to reject an opportunity in the US based on my "feelings". Family and patriotism. And I have suffered for it.

I will NEVER let my children follow in my same footstep.

Both me and my brother has enrolled our kids in International Baccalaureate schools so that they can study further outside India and succeed based on their own merits and not suffer the "reservation" of India.

This will help the take up citizenship of that country and make a life for themselves not burdened by this worthless sense of patriotism for a nation that does not values its citizens and subject them to injustice in the name of a colonized past.

It's your right to seek a better life for you and your family and move abroad, just like I and several others have, but at least be honest about it and say your are doing it for more money, less pollution etc, less tax etc, or because you know your kids arent smart enough to make the cut to the top Indian universities, there's no shame in that(I also knew i had no chance to ever make it to IITs or AIIMS ). Cut the crap about "50% reservation", middle class persecution, Minority appeasement etc etc lmao no one's buying your bullshit lame *** reasons you joker, just sounds like one of the thousands of hinglish speaking idiots commenting on times of India.

Indians aren't smart enough to adopt dual citizenship as in Pakistan.

In Pakistan they carry 'Pak sar Zemen song on their hearts and foreign passports in pockets. Easy-peasy.

OCI card is a type of dual citizenship, gives you all the rights except voting and a few others - like holding agricultural land.
 
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Write to White house instead, that's how we blocked the FMA F16's for Pakistan. ;)

The only difference between us is that what I wrote was a joke, but what you wrote is probably true. Indians do indeed engage in such passive aggressive beta male behavior.
 
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Well... Sorry sir... Never knew Pakistani Janitor Association wields such immense influence in US politics... :meeting:

Says the guy that scams people from his call center from 7 pm-7 am and takes bathroom breaks at the rail tracks passing by his scam center.
 
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We are lowly beings saar, we are yet to match the nobles who get their scrotum fondled with latex gloves at the immigration counter. :dance3:

The above is EXACTLY what happened to some indian female official at an american airport. Apparently she is not the first indian for this to happen to ........ :azn::

 
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Not exactly a new trend.. off to greener pastures. Even on this forum, a significant no of subcontinent folk are based in the states or EU etc.

Mulk se bahir beth ker mulk ki yaad ziada ati hai. :lol::lol:
 
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It's very clear the nobles don't understand the difference between exception and a norm.




But some nobles do understand, and all they can do is cry on live television! 😢


Here are some other "exceptions" of indians at western airports......... :azn::


As india has the highest number of acutely malnourished and growth stunted people in the world with the smallest weiner to boot, it tends to produce short-heighted little manlets like yourself with SEVERE insecurities........:azn::


 
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People will often look to settle where they can have a better life than where they live. Just like rural people seek to move into the cities, city people seek to move to more safe and fashionable places within the cities. Sometimes the opportunities are far better in foreign cities than their own homeland.

This is the result of lack of good governance in South Asia. Cityfolks also are generally less attached to the land like rural people are, who might have their roots goin back many centuries. For many city folks, migrating to a city in a foreign country is far less difficult than moving to the countryside.
 
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Indians aren't smart enough to adopt dual citizenship as in Pakistan.

In Pakistan they carry 'Pak sar Zemen song on their hearts and foreign passports in pockets. Easy-peasy.

They are neither here nor there. Doglapan or hypocrisy is their speciality. Look at their political elite and establishment who loot their country and at any instance of trouble they leave their country. Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Musharraf all left because they are duel citizens.
 
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