Report - Modi government quietly working to revoke the indus water treaty with pakistan

[Smarana Mitra]

Yet another coward excuse. Oil does not pass through Pakistani land, so how doea it disrupt oil supply? And do u think Pakistan cannot destroy India? Did u forget the punch on the face on 27/2 ??? Or did u forget we have larger number and more powerful nukes than india.

Even if you had wells of oil in Rajasthan..us targeting them would have been your excuse notto goto war..When you plan to go to war you dont care about you two time meal..

India gets $100+ billion by remittance and investments from foreign countries. All of this is to make India keep quiet and tolerate the nuisance created by Indian muslims and Pakistan. It is an indirect way of giving free oil to India worth about 4 million barrels a day and additional natural gas for free. This is not a 2 time meal but a significant amount. We don't want to waste this opportunity to attack Pakistan when it can be done anytime in the future too.

Secondly, Pakistan does not have oil but destroying Pakistan will cause refugee crisis in desert areas of middle east. This will be disastrous for oil supply. Middle east will also be sucked into the war and oil supply will vanish. Entire world relies on oil from middle east and all of them will be pissed off. As of now, countries across the world honour Indian interests and don't openly talk against India. India managed to shut EU voting on kashmir with right threats for example.

Considering India has favourable environment, it is not worth waging open war which can be waged anytime. As of now, it is cold war and let it continue until circumstances make war more beneficial.

India certainly can destroy Pakistan as it has the nukes, but you forget Pakistan has more nukes then India. Pakistan can destroy India in return, as it has more nukes. Besides, India's military machine is severely weak compared to Pakistan's military machine as it lacks the teeth and the punch.

Nukes can't destroy entire landmass of India. At best, Pakistan can target major cities of Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore and kill a 2-3 crore people. But that is insignificant compared to the sustained conventional attacks which India can wage against Pakistan. India can continuously attack Pakistan using its military industrial complex, destroy all water reservoirs, all infrastructure and starve entire Pakistan to death.

As demonstrated on Feb 27, India lacks the military punch to pummel through Pakistan. Pakistan is armed to the teeth, and can match India on every level of intensity of conflict. India's military machine while impressive, does not has the punch and the teeth to push through Pakistan's defenses.

India does not want war as of now as geopolitical situation is favourable to India. India has enough military power to punch through Pakistan if needed. India has enormous industrial base which can be used for war manufacturing and hence get unlimited amount of firepower to punch through Pakistan. Every industry, be it automobile, household goods, agriculture processing etc can be converted into military logistics supply. Pakistan does not have that luxury. India did not intend to escalate in February last year but when it wants, the war efforts will be extraordinary

 

[TNT]

India gets $100+ billion by remittance and investments from foreign countries. All of this is to make India keep quiet and tolerate the nuisance created by Indian muslims and Pakistan. It is an indirect way of giving free oil to India worth about 4 million barrels a day and additional natural gas for free. This is not a 2 time meal but a significant amount. We don't want to waste this opportunity to attack Pakistan when it can be done anytime in the future too.

Secondly, Pakistan does not have oil but destroying Pakistan will cause refugee crisis in desert areas of middle east. This will be disastrous for oil supply. Middle east will also be sucked into the war and oil supply will vanish. Entire world relies on oil from middle east and all of them will be pissed off. As of now, countries across the world honour Indian interests and don't openly talk against India. India managed to shut EU voting on kashmir with right threats for example.

Considering India has favourable environment, it is not worth waging open war which can be waged anytime. As of now, it is cold war and let it continue until circumstances make war more beneficial.

Omg u are stupider than i thought. You brainless moron, do u even know what remittance and investment means? Remittance is the money sent by indians working their a** off in middle east and else where, its not free u RSS monkey but its foreign currency n helps a country. Investment is also not free money, its not free cowpiss that u drink daily, whoever invests, takes away a good profit, if they dont see profit, they wont invest. U talk as if the world is hostage to ur ugly faces lolz. No one cares abt india, if anyone cares, its only for business and money.
Its also good that u showed ur ugly nature, u put pakkstan and indian muslims in the same place and hence proved u ppl hate ur own citizens, a wakeup call for the 250 million muslims in india, i just hope u ppl continue hating ur muslim population.
Again i would say, u ppl arw cowards, why disnt u retaliate when we bombed u and shot ur jet and paraded ur pilot like a b***h?? Why all ur chest thumping vanished?? I say not today, not in future, never can india destroy Pakistan because if we even slightly feel it, we ll nuke ur ugly existence into oblivion. Indian military knows this well and thus limited to bollywood BS.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

India gets $100+ billion by remittance and investments from foreign countries. All of this is to make India keep quiet and tolerate the nuisance created by Indian muslims and Pakistan. It is an indirect way of giving free oil to India worth about 4 million barrels a day and additional natural gas for free. This is not a 2 time meal but a significant amount. We don't want to waste this opportunity to attack Pakistan when it can be done anytime in the future too.

Secondly, Pakistan does not have oil but destroying Pakistan will cause refugee crisis in desert areas of middle east. This will be disastrous for oil supply. Middle east will also be sucked into the war and oil supply will vanish. Entire world relies on oil from middle east and all of them will be pissed off. As of now, countries across the world honour Indian interests and don't openly talk against India. India managed to shut EU voting on kashmir with right threats for example.


Considering India has favourable environment, it is not worth waging open war which can be waged anytime. As of now, it is cold war and let it continue until circumstances make war more beneficial.

The world honors indias interest?thats why US is holding congressional hearings on kashmir.
India is a big elephant with little momentum.. We dont need to wage war on you to destroy you..The refugee crisis that India will create soon for the world will have the world lose hope in India as a partner and as a sign of protest they would find alternatives to India fast-pacing its implosion.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Nukes can't destroy entire landmass of India. At best, Pakistan can target major cities of Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore and kill a 2-3 crore people. But that is insignificant compared to the sustained conventional attacks which India can wage against Pakistan. India can continuously attack Pakistan using its military industrial complex, destroy all water reservoirs, all infrastructure and starve entire Pakistan to death.

You're telling me 150 nukes will not destroy India as a Nation? Sure, there are parts of India that might not be hit, but the survivors would be the unlucky ones who would pray that they die as well. All you have to do is hit the choke points such as major urban centers, water supply, agricultural land, and India will cease to exist as a Nation State which Pakistan's Ballistic missiles are perfectly capable off doing.

This is not WW2 that you need a military industry complex to fight a prolonged war. A full blown conflict between India-Pakistan won't last more then 2 months before South Asia would cease to exist as a continent. On a side note, India does not has a military industrial complex, that is why it is the world's largest importer of arms. India is well aware of the fact that Pakistan now has enough nukes to vaporize India, and rightly so i hope both these countries never go to war.

India has enough military power to punch through Pakistan if needed.

Making a statement does not make it a reality. You have to prove your point with facts, figures and logic, instead of throwing random statements. Its like me saying Nepal has the military power to punch through India. Based on the war arsenal i see on the Indian side, its simply not enough to punch through Pak's defences as demonstrated on Feb 27.

India has enormous industrial base which can be used for war manufacturing and hence get unlimited amount of firepower to punch through Pakistan.

This is not WW2 son, the introduction of nukes have changed the name of the game. India-Pakistan will not be fighting a 5 to 10 year war where you will be needing enormous industrial base. A full blown war won't last more then 1 to 2 months.

Every industry, be it automobile, household goods, agriculture processing etc can be converted into military logistics supply.

You have been watching too many history movies. What's the point of converting that industry, when the factories would be vaporized in two months.

India did not intend to escalate in February last year but when it wants, the war efforts will be extraordinary

India did not escalate the situation because it was thoroughly outclassed by Pakistan. The last time India genuinely tried to mobilize for a war was Operation Parakram, and we all know how that turned out. 800 poor Indian soldiers lost their lives.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Omg u are stupider than i thought. You brainless moron, do u even know what remittance and investment means? Remittance is the money sent by indians working their a** off in middle east and else where, its not free u RSS monkey but its foreign currency n helps a country. Investment is also not free money, its not free cowpiss that u drink daily, whoever invests, takes away a good profit, if they dont see profit, they wont invest. U talk as if the world is hostage to ur ugly faces lolz. No one cares abt india, if anyone cares, its only for business and money.
Its also good that u showed ur ugly nature, u put pakkstan and indian muslims in the same place and hence proved u ppl hate ur own citizens, a wakeup call for the 250 million muslims in india, i just hope u ppl continue hating ur muslim population.
Again i would say, u ppl arw cowards, why disnt u retaliate when we bombed u and shot ur jet and paraded ur pilot like a b***h?? Why all ur chest thumping vanished?? I say not today, not in future, never can india destroy Pakistan because if we even slightly feel it, we ll nuke ur ugly existence into oblivion. Indian military knows this well and thus limited to bollywood BS.

India destroyed an entire site in Pakistan killing about 200 people. What more retaliation do you want?

Secondly, the choice of choosing Indians as workers is political. Now, people have to work but that is because otherwise people will become complacent and get out of control. Most Indians do simple menial jobs which can be easily replaced by Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and other ME countries like Middle east.

Investment is also not for profit. India has received about 1 trillion dollar worth of investment and keeps getting $60 billion of investment every year. There is no sign of any money being taken away from India. So, money is flowing one sided to India without any outflow. So, this investment is political funding rather than real investment.

The world honors indias interest?thats why US is holding congressional hearings on kashmir.
India is a big elephant with little momentum.. We dont need to wage war on you to destroy you..The refugee crisis that India will create soon for the world will have the world lose hope in India as a partner and as a sign of protest they would find alternatives to India fast-pacing its implosion.

India has openly snubbed democrats and hence the backlash. But USA government is not doing anything against India. World needs India, not other way around. Only China & Russia is the country which really has some clout on its own on India. The west have very limited clout on Indian affairs as they offer nothing. USA just prints dollar on behalf of Arabs due to petrodollar but does not give any resource or technology of its own. EU also has no real transaction with India in terms of technology or resource. Refugee crisis will first destroy middle east and that means entire world oil supply will be cut. So, the world will try their best to appease India to avoid India from lashing out.

You're telling me 150 nukes will not destroy India as a Nation? Sure, there are parts of India that might not be hit, but the survivors would be the unlucky ones who would pray that they die as well. All you have to do is hit the choke points such as major urban centers, water supply, agricultural land, and India will cease to exist as a Nation State which Pakistan's Ballistic missiles are perfectly capable off doing.

This is not WW2 that you need a military industry complex to fight a prolonged war. A full blown conflict between India-Pakistan won't last more then 2 months before South Asia would cease to exist as a continent. On a side note, India does not has a military industrial complex, that is why it is the world's largest importer of arms. India is well aware of the fact that Pakistan now has enough nukes to vaporize India, and rightly so i hope both these countries never go to war.

How will 150 nukes destroy India? Do you know that about half of India is agriculture land? How will you destroy such a large area with nukes? Urban centres are by itself not critical. Only the critical infrastructure of high end technology is critical. These will anyways be well sheltered. 150 nukes of 1MT is needed to destroy only the region of NCR (Delhi + Gurgaon + Ghaziabad). It can hardly destroy entire country. You are simply feeling insecure and hence over exaggerating the power of nukes. If nukes are so powerful that no other weapons are needed, why are countries developing 5th generation planes, stealth ships, submarines etc? Anyways, all can be simply vapourised by nukes which even less advanced countries like North Korea has. Why bother wasting time and resource for developing the new weapons?

This is not WW2 son, the introduction of nukes have changed the name of the game. India-Pakistan will not be fighting a 5 to 10 year war where you will be needing enormous industrial base. A full blown war won't last more then 1 to 2 months.

Nukes or no nukes, war will go for years. Things don't end in one instant. It is not that a small country can destroy a country which is 10 times larger just by using nukes. Nukes don't do magic.

You have been watching too many history movies. What's the point of converting that industry, when the factories would be vaporized in two months.

How will you vapourise the factories? Why don't you expect these factories to be well sheltered and covered with bunker quality roofing to avoid damage? Why do you expect these important factories to have aluminium sheet roof.

 

[Pandora]

Not very long ago removal of 370 too supposed to be a trigger to go to war - it didn’t happen

Not that I am in favour of it’s abrogation but once a treaty is abrogated , It can hardly be violated. Can it ?

what I am strongly in favour of is not allowing a drop of Indian share of water to flow west - that I believe is WIP

No abrogation of 370 can't be a trigger of war considering entire international community still sees it as a contested territory. Secondly it is very much an established fact now that status quo has to be maintained at current positions by India and Pakistan. Any adventure either by India or Pakistan does not necessarily mean either will gain any benefit from it. As soon as Kashmiris become one they will demand a separate state. Unless a settlement where all parties are happy current arrangement has to stay.

So Anything under the framework of treaty is acceptable. Water is entirely separate issue our entire existence depends on it so one should not take it lightly how far we will go for it. Considering the lunatic nature of Modi and BJP they will attempt it if not now then in near future. Politics aside both India and Pakistan are happy with this arrangement unless water becomes an issue.

 

[third eye]

No abrogation of 370 can't be a trigger of war considering entire international community still sees it as a contested territory

What did 370 have to do with anything other than India ? It was an internal decision & a temporary one at that which was undone by those who did it. Everything is happening in the ambit of legality

In any agreement either party has a right to out out at will, giving due notice

Water is entirely separate issue our entire existence depends on it so one should not take it lightly how far we will go for it.

Not that I advocate a war on water or any other issue for that matter but how far is the threatened " How far we will go " ?

Another war with nuclear weapons perhaps ? What if one party factors in the damage it will cause & still goes ahead to do what it deems fit ?

The answer in my view is to address the issues which are leading to one party considering abrogation . Mere threats that "if you ... then I will." will not help . Not in out context. Nukes are relevant when one party to a conflict does not have them. The neutralise each other when both have Nukes

Considering the lunatic nature of Modi and BJP they will attempt it if not now then in near future. Politics aside both India and Pakistan are happy with this arrangement unless water becomes an issue.

You have a point here, but it is not lunacy. No one expected 370 to go & it did, things change..

 

[TNT]

India destroyed an entire site in Pakistan killing about 200 people. What more retaliation do you want?

Secondly, the choice of choosing Indians as workers is political. Now, people have to work but that is because otherwise people will become complacent and get out of control. Most Indians do simple menial jobs which can be easily replaced by Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and other ME countries like Middle east.

Investment is also not for profit. India has received about 1 trillion dollar worth of investment and keeps getting $60 billion of investment every year. There is no sign of any money being taken away from India. So, money is flowing one sided to India without any outflow. So, this investment is political funding rather than real investment.

Lolz yeah fake attack with no proof. If u had even killed one person, we would have killed ur generals. We paraded ur pilot openly like a b***h, remember the way he was talking obediently, thats how u will talk too once we come for u. Where is ur retaliation? The whole of india was begging for the pilot, twitter wareiors suddenly became beggars lol. Everyone know what jobs indians do and how they r treated. Also since u hate muslims, u should know mostly indian muslims work in ME n send back remittances u ugly RSS monkey.

U seem to be extremely stupid, cowpiss can do that but saying that the world invests in india and doesnt take profit is way too stupid. Waste of time arguing with such a dumb rat. Investments not for profit lolzz wow what a moron. Why are the mods letting this stinky rat on the forum?

 

[American Pakistani]

Then why you signed Indus water treaty with us, if we don't own the land?

Because you occupy it.

Pakistan has been paid for losing 3 rivers.

In reality Pakistan has been hammered by opening the flood gates creating destruction and havoc, destroying crops, houses, infra, and thousands of lives being lst.

 

[Path-Finder]

 

[Joe Shearer]

You're a knob if you think we are afraid of death. we will wipe you out as well, before vanishing for eternity

Why don't you just skip the middlemen? Just vanish; nobody will miss you.

 

[SQ8]

Why don't you just skip the middlemen? Just vanish; nobody will miss you.

The truly horrifying bit is that most of the population on both sides is oblivious to the reality what “wiping out” means.

Syria is a prime example of what just conventional weapons did to a well established(of sorts) nation. One can only shudder at what delusions are held by the bhakts and their counterparts here on the idea of “survival” or “martyrdom”.

Death will be a blessing to what will remain of the subcontinent once the first fission takes place. Anyone expecting that they will survive as a nation state are in a fools paradise.

 

[Jackdaws]

Because you occupy it.



In reality Pakistan has been hammered by opening the flood gates creating destruction and havoc, destroying crops, houses, infra, and thousands of lives being lst.

No it hasn't. Don't blame natural disasters on India.

 

[The Accountant]

A fair treaty would be to give 50-50 share not giving exclusive control to any river. Be it Ravi river which is now a dry land area in Pakistan or Indus whose water now has no benefits for India than letting it flow into Pakistan.

Man ... hiw a 50 50 claim can be given when more than 80% of the river path is covered in Pakistan ?

 

[IceCold]

India destroyed an entire site in Pakistan killing about 200 people. What more retaliation do you want?

A claim so ludicrous that the world could not stop laughing. In fact after elections Modi never repeated it either.