Report: Israel preparing bank of targets against Syrian opposition

[Falcon29]

إسرائيل تعمل على «بنك أهداف» سوري لضربه بعد سقوط نظام الأسد - آرانيوز

قال معلق الشؤون العسكرية في جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي، ألون بن دافيد، اليوم الأحد، أن أجهزة الاستخبارات العسكرية في الجيش تعمل على إعداد بنك للأهداف من المحتمل ضربها داخل سوريا، بعد سقوط النظام السوري واستلام المعارضة المسلحة لزمام الأمور في هذا البلد.

وفي تصريحات نشرتها صحيفة «معاريف» الإسرائيلية، في عددها الصادر اليوم، قال بن دافيد، إن قيادة سلاح الجو الإسرائيلي وبالتعاون مع جهاز الاستخبارات العسكرية، تعمل على إعداد بنك أهداف كامل، على أساس أن التنظيمات الجهادية في سوريا، هي التي ستستلم إدارة سوريا في مرحلة ما بعد الأسد.

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Arab report translated by me:

Today, Sunday an Israeli army analyst known as Aloon Ben David revealed in an interview with Maariv Israeli site that the Israeli Air Force and Israeli intelligence wings are working currently gathering a bank of targets against what is called 'Jihadist groups' in Syria following fall of Assad regime and opposition control over Syria.

Based on expectations that 'Islamist groups' will be the ones who assert their control over Syria following fall of regime.

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These are first two paragraphs, others say Hezbollah failed to asset control over all border areas near Israel and that IRGC plus Hezbollah effectively are protection for Syrian army and that Syrian army isn't able to keep control without them.

 

[Falcon29]

Iran and Israel and United States all share same mutual objectives in region, even if they disagree on who should be regional power, they all agree on preventing a Sunni power. Even just a small Islamic resurgence in Syria scares them. Iran dedicates majority of its resources towards this, same as the United States. Israel just relays the message to the US.

But this report just supports what i was telling Arab audience from the beginning. It's unfortunate some Arabs here fell for notion that Israel wishes to see fall of Assad regime, or that Israel genuinely opposes Iran. Or vice versa, it's just an fight over who exerts more regional influence. And also related to other factors which I can get into if needed. But the common goal which has never changed should help some of the confused Arabs into seeing larger picture here.

 

[Serpentine]

Today, Sunday an Israeli army analyst known as Aloon Ben David revealed in an interview with Maariv Israeli site that the Israeli Air Force and Israeli intelligence wings are working currently gathering a bank of targets against what is called 'Jihadist groups' in Syria following fall of Assad regime and opposition control over Syria.

Based on expectations that 'Islamist groups' will be the ones who assert their control over Syria following fall of regime.

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These are first two paragraphs, others say Hezbollah failed to asset control over all border areas near Israel and that IRGC plus Hezbollah effectively are protection for Syrian army and that Syrian army isn't able to keep control without them.

Israel is an idiot if it thinks Nusra or ISIS or rebels are a threat to them. They never touch Israel and never even tried to do so.

But this report just supports what i was telling Arab audience from the beginning. It's unfortunate some Arabs here fell for notion that Israel wishes to see fall of Assad regime, or that Israel genuinely opposes Iran. Or vice versa, it's just an fight over who exerts more regional influence. And also related to other factors which I can get into if needed. But the common goal which has never changed should help some of the confused Arabs into seeing larger picture here.

Ironically, Iran and Hezbollah are currently Israel's biggest enemies and Israeli generals and politicians give the most warnings against these 2 entities. But we should believe an 'analyst' of IDF talking about future 'jihadist' threat which have never been a threat against Israel to begin with, because they are doing exactly what Israel wants. If I was Israel, I would leave them to do their thing too.

 

[Falcon29]

Israel is an idiot if it thinks Nusra or ISIS or rebels are a threat to them. They never touch Israel and never even tried to do so.



Ironically, Iran and Hezbollah are currently Israel's biggest enemies and Israeli generals and politicians give the most warnings against these 2 entities. But we should believe an 'analyst' of IDF talking about future 'jihadist' threat which have never been a threat against Israel to begin with, because they are doing exactly what Israel wants. If I was Israel, I would leave them to do their thing too.

No one cares what you think, but it's clear to us since past 3 years what Iran's agenda is. And its nothing different than US agenda in ME, just different ways reaching goals. Nusra and ISIS aren't the only Islamist groups in Syria. There are thousands, and you're crazy to believe such intelligence efforts are only in regards to Nusra. We don't need an Iranian to tell us who US/Israel are truly against. Especially when you're using that as some ploy to advance your agenda.

Israel can bark all it wants about Hezbollah and Iran can bark about Israel. Means nothing on ground, Hezbollah exposed it's real face with its sectarian policies and active involvement all over Arab world. All their speeches nowadays are about Saudi Arabia..

We don't need Hezbollahs rockets, rebels can easily manufacture their own in Syria after fall of Assad regime. And I gruantee you that Israel/US will not tolerate it in Syria but will tolerate Hezbollah amassing in lebanon.

 

[Serpentine]

No one cares what you think, but it's clear to us since past 3 years what Iran's agenda is. And its nothing different than US agenda in ME, just different ways reaching goals. Nusra and ISIS aren't the only Islamist groups in Syria. There are thousands, and you're crazy to believe such intelligence efforts are only in regards to Nusra. We don't need an Iranian to tell us who US/Israel are truly against. Especially when you're using that as some ploy to advance your agenda.

Israel can bark all it wants about Hezbollah and Iran can bark about Israel. Means nothing on ground, Hezbollah exposed it's real face with its sectarian policies and active involvement all over Arab world. All their speeches nowadays are about Saudi Arabia..

The guy cries about U.S, while the 'leader' of Sunni Islam, Saudi Arabia is getting help from U.S to bomb Yemen, buys billions of dollars of arms from them and some other smaller Gulf states are basically U.S banana republics, acting as U.S permanent military bases in Persian gulf. Not to forget that these leaders will meet Obama this week to beg him to defend them against imaginary Iranian threat.

Your words are just ridiculous, hypocrisy was too much in this one.

Show me one single Sunni state/entity which isn't a close U.S friend/ally. Of course excluding AlQaeda and ISIS.

 

[azzo]

The guy cries about U.S, while the 'leader' of Sunni Islam, Saudi Arabia is getting help from U.S to bomb Yemen, buys billions of dollars of arms from them and some other smaller Gulf states are basically U.S banana republics, acting as U.S permanent military bases in Persian gulf. Not to forget that these leaders will meet Obama this week to beg him to defend them against imaginary Iranian threat.

Your words are just ridiculous, hypocrisy was too much in this one.

Show me one single Sunni state/entity which isn't a close U.S friend/ally. Of course excluding AlQaeda and ISIS.

Jealous much?

 

[Falcon29]

The guy cries about U.S, while the 'leader' of Sunni Islam, Saudi Arabia is getting help from U.S to bomb Yemen, buys billions of dollars of arms from them and some other smaller Gulf states are basically U.S banana republics, acting as U.S permanent military bases in Persian gulf. Not to forget that these leaders will meet Obama this week to beg him to defend them against imaginary Iranian threat.

Your words are just ridiculous, hypocrisy was too much in this one.

Show me one single Sunni state/entity which isn't a close U.S friend/ally. Of course excluding AlQaeda and ISIS.

@azzo

This guy doesn't understand, he expects us to overthrow our governments in order to give Iran opportunity to 'export' revolution elsewhere in Arab world. Iran also communicates and trades with US companies. Today's era is era of globalization and that can't be combatted especially when Iran whcih claims to stand up for Islam is busy trying to destroy Arabs to restore Persian empire. Saying the US/Iran seek same goals in ME isn't equivalent to crying about US. Saudi can have ties with US, difference is it is out in public and there is no secret agenda. Saudi doesn't share same interests as US in region, Saudi Arabia doesnt know what US interests compose of. US plays a game in the ME. But what's clear and established is even if there is no public ties between Iran and US, they have very similiar agenda which I mention in post #2. I dint believe a modern nation can oppose ties with world. And never stated so. Only Islamists can, non state actors. So because states have ties with US this somehow is supposed to justify your agenda and also demonize all Arab citizens even though they share array of different views?

 

[azzo]

@azzo

This guy doesn't understand, he expects us to overthrow our governments in order to give Iran opportunity to 'export' revolution elsewhere in Arab world. Iran also communicates and trades with US companies. Today's era is era of globalization and that can't be combatted especially when Iran whcih claims to stand up for Islam is busy trying to destroy Arabs to restore Persian empire. Saying the US/Iran seek same goals in ME isn't equivalent to crying about US. Saudi can have ties with US, difference is it is out in public and there is no secret agenda. Saudi doesn't share same interests as US in region, Saudi Arabia doesnt know what US interests compose of. US plays a game in the ME. But what's clear and established is even if there is no public ties between Iran and US, they have very similiar agenda which I mention in post #2. I dint believe a modern nation can oppose ties with world. And never stated so. Only Islamists can, non state actors. So because states have ties with US this somehow is supposed to justify your agenda and also demonize all Arab citizens even though they share array of different views?

Their is no logic in their arguments. It's all about self interests (as it should be). But, what makes them worse than anyone else, is that they're using religion to justify ALL of their actions, from enforcing a dictator upon their people to making deals with the great "Satan"

Iran–Contra affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Iran contra should be the response to any Ayatollat follower condemning Arab nations and declaring them "Zionists" "US puppets" just for the sole reason of dealing with them or buying stuff from them. Truly laughable.

Bottom line is, Arab countries are doing what is best for them and their people, if they can do that by engaging in world trade and being a part of the world's community then that the way we're going.

That's why they "cry foul". because:

a.) They can't do the same thing, they're in a pickle, their whole system's stability is based on fighting the great devil beyond their border, be it the Americans, Wahhabi, or anyone else. They can only unite these warring peoples by creating a common enemy.

b.) Other countries in the region are flourishing, specifically Sunni/monarchy ruled countries, causing Iranians to question their government's corruption. There's a reason that countries ruled by Shiites who align theirselves to Iran are suffering, because they're satellites, they rarely do what's best for them, they have to engage in there imaginary cause of the "resistance" otherwise they'll lose grip. But there is a big downside to that approach, one is that it emotionally charge Shiites to hate Sunnis (which is unavoidable) which dehumanize Sunnis in the eye of the Shiites, making them easy to kill/torture, which in turn gives rise to violent resistance groups seeking "revenge" on Shiites, like ISIS.

"Wali Alsafeeh" system of governance has no future, especially when Iran opens up to the world. We're already seeing it falling in Iraq. By Shiite Iraqis own admission.

 

[Azizam]

US is now pulling out from the middle east, especially with their self reliance of oil and emergence of renewable energy sources. This is the reason why the US ignored continued whining to bomb Assad and engaged in the crisis of Iraq with just air strikes. US is now pivoting towards pacific region where they will engage with an emerging China. So saying that US is secretly involved in some super secret mission in middle east is stupid.

The Obama Administration's Pivot to Asia | Foreign Policy Initiative

Except for oil, there is no reason to waste resources by maintaining influence in the middle east. No middle east country will ever be a real challenge for US domination. Besides, tomorrow's wars will be fought economically and in cyber space. You can already see the signs of change.

 

[500]

إسرائيل تعمل على «بنك أهداف» سوري لضربه بعد سقوط نظام الأسد - آرانيوز

Of course Israel need to be prepared to any scenario. Once rebels finish Assad they can easily turn against us.

 

[azzo]

I really doubt that, that would be stupid and be a waste of a good revolution. Even the rebels said we don't want any problems with ANY other country in the region, we just want our freedom from the Assad regime.

 

[Falcon29]

US is now pulling out from the middle east, especially with their self reliance of oil and emergence of renewable energy sources. This is the reason why the US ignored continued whining to bomb Assad and engaged in the crisis of Iraq with just air strikes. US is now pivoting towards pacific region where they will engage with an emerging China. So saying that US is secretly involved in some super secret mission in middle east is stupid.

The Obama Administration's Pivot to Asia | Foreign Policy Initiative

Except for oil, there is no reason to waste resources by maintaining influence in the middle east. No middle east country will ever be a real challenge for US domination. Besides, tomorrow's wars will be fought economically and in cyber space. You can already see the signs of change.

Theres nothing secret about US policy in ME, it is outlined in their own reports published by government. US can pivot to China and still afford to retain same policy in ME it always has.

Of course Israel need to be prepared to any scenario. Once rebels finish Assad they can easily turn against us.

That's not what you were saying early on. What changed? Is Israel planning to make buffer zone in area or something to do with resources?

 

[500]

That's not what you were saying early on. What changed?

Where did I say otherwise? Again u are inventing?

 

[kalu_miah]

Syrian rebels, if and when they can win against Assad, their next target should be Hezb, not Israel. Israel is out of their league.

 

[Falcon29]

Where did I say otherwise? Again u are inventing?

Will Golan be negotiated of Assad falls?

Syrian rebels, if and when they can win against Assad, their next target should be Hezb, not Israel. Israel is out of their league.

They don't need to target anybody, no one needs Lebanon engulfed in civil war. Starting a struggle with Israel is not something Syrian opposition can do alone. It would need backing of Arab world. This doesn't just mean material suppprt, there needs to be spiritual support. Which is something not likely to come from so called 'Muslim' scholars anytime soon. So only case is if they're dragged into a struggle. And if they are then they must be supported. No excuses are needed.