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Relatives in China ship disaster say beaten by police
SHANGHAI/JIANLI, CHINA | BY SUE-LIN WONG AND JOHN RUWITCH
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A relative of a missing passenger aboard the capsized ship Eastern Star cries on the banks of the Jianli section of Yangtze River in Hubei province, China, June 4, 2015.
REUTERS/ALY SONG

Relatives of passengers missing in the sinking of a cruise ship on the Yangtze River have accused Chinese police of beating them when they sought more information on the disaster.

Uniformed police trailed dozens of relatives who took to Shanghai's streets on Wednesday in the hope of petitioning the city government, later ushering them into a building where they were prevented from speaking to the media, the family members said.

Scuffles between police and relatives broke out, according to video footage circulated on the Internet which showed police hitting and wrestling family members.





"I saw all of this unfold before my own eyes," Huang Jing, 43, who had family on the ship, told Reuters.

A woman who said her husband Qin Jianping, and father-in-law, Qin Zhengming, were on the ship said: "Why are they using taxpayers' money to bully us? Why are all these police here?"

Police were not immediately available for comment.

The Eastern Star cruise ship capsized in a storm on Monday night with 456 people on board. Only 14 survivors have been found while authorities have recovered 75 dead bodies. More than 300 people are still missing and it could be the country's worst maritime disaster in nearly 70 years.

China's government often seeks to control information in the wake of high-profile disasters, concerned about challenges to its authority and hypersensitive about its image.

But the Eastern Star disaster also has coincided with the most sensitive day on China's calendar, the June 4 anniversary of the bloody 1989 crackdown on pro-democracy protests around Tiananmen Square.

The family members have been growing increasingly impatient with the government, saying they have received few answers to questions about their loved ones on board the ship.

Some family members took matters into their own hands on Wednesday and hired a bus to take them from Nanjing city, where the cruise originated, to Jianli county in central Hubei province where the ship capsized.

When they arrived in Jianli they tried to walk to the site of rescue operations, but were stopped by police who had accompanied them from Nanjing. Authorities later said they could visit the area in organized groups but reporters and cameramen could not accompany them.

"I can't rule out that even among Chinese journalists there are people who want to smear the government," Hu Shining, Nanjing's deputy police chief, told the relatives who had walked with reporters in tow to try to get to the river's edge.



RESTRICTED ACCESS

Most journalists have been blocked from visiting the hospital where the survivors have been admitted, and local reporters have been told to take their cue from state-owned Xinhua news agency and China Central Television (CCTV).

While the government has arranged brief visits to see rescue efforts for select foreign and domestic media, official briefings have been restrained.

In China, such media control usually breeds suspicion that authorities may be trying to cover up bungling or shielding corrupt officials.

But authorities have promised there will be no cover up. "We will never shield mistakes and we'll absolutely not cover up (anything)," Xu Chengguang, the spokesman for the Ministry of Transport, said on Wednesday night.

However, a meeting of the Communist Party's ruling inner core on Thursday called for "strengthening public opinion work", which usually means getting the media to toe the government line.

The State Administration of Press, Publication, Radio, Film and Television did not respond to a faxed request for comment on media restrictions.

Zhan Jiang, a journalism professor at Beijing Foreign Studies University, said China had made progress since it obscured the extent of the SARS epidemic in late 2002, but that CCTV and Xinhua still maintained their monopoly on sensitive stories.

"Other media cannot get access. This is a problem. You can imagine this is a result of the current system of stability maintenance," Zhan said.

But relatives of the missing said official interference may not be limited to restricting information.

A few of the relatives in Shanghai who were part of a news sharing chat group told Reuters they suspected police were pretending to be family members and were posting messages and photos, mainly about government rescue efforts.

"Why would a grief-stricken family member be posting such positive messages about what a great job government officials are doing in Jianli?" said one man whose mother is missing.

The Shanghai police were not immediately available for comment after office hours.
Relatives in China ship disaster say beaten by police| Reuters
 
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This paranoia must end. Such stuff only generates resentment.

Until issues like this, I was actually impressed with the quick Chinese response. But they are getting paranoid. Relatives should be given full knowledge, and at least domestic media should be allowed.

And there is no reason to generate "positive public opinion."

Gosh! This whole public opinion thing sounds so Orwellian.

China seriously needs some civil liberties, which are enforceable without discrimination.

@AndrewJin @Shotgunner51 @cnleio @cirr @utp45

Until and unless there is threat of public opinion, there will be no change on the front of corruption, and Changing public opinion, firstly is not possible in every circumstance, and secondly, will only give cover for corruption and party nepotism to flourish.

A few of the relatives in Shanghai who were part of a news sharing chat group told Reuters they suspected police were pretending to be family members and were posting messages and photos, mainly about government rescue efforts.

"Why would a grief-stricken family member be posting such positive messages about what a great job government officials are doing in Jianli?" said one man whose mother is missing.
 
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This paranoia must end. Such stuff only generates resentment.

Until issues like this, I was actually impressed with the quick Chinese response. But they are getting paranoid. Relatives should be given full knowledge, and at least domestic media should be allowed.

And there is no reason to generate "positive public opinion."

Gosh! This whole public opinion thing sounds so Orwellian.

China seriously needs some civil liberties, which are enforceable without discrimination.

@AndrewJin @Shotgunner51 @cnleio @cirr @utp45

Until and unless there is threat of public opinion, there will be no change on the front of corruption, and Changing public opinion, firstly is not possible in every circumstance, and secondly, will only give cover for corruption and party nepotism to flourish.

The sad handling of this tragedy isn't due to authoritarianism but incompetence. The authorities do not know how to break this to the victims and conduct a proper rescue.
 
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The sad handling of this tragedy isn't due to authoritarianism but incompetence. The authorities do not know how to break this to the victims and conduct a proper rescue.

And that is why I said it "sounds" Orwellian.

CCP must have confidence in itself, and the lower rugs should be told not to overextend their reach.

A healthy civil society is important, so that government is brought to accountability. Or there will be revolutions. Don't forget CCP also came in power in a revolution, and it can as very well be kicked out.

Follow the LKY's words,

"You need to give the people the power to bring meaningful changes by consent, or there will be a revolution with violence. "
 
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the great firewall of china let videos through??? commies you are slipping.

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A few of the relatives in Shanghai who were part of a news sharing chat group told Reuters they suspected police were pretending to be family members and were posting messages and photos, mainly about government rescue efforts.

Brilliant. I see our govt has taken up the art of crowd control

A grief stricken crowd can be easily getting out of hand,they are angry and in denial and always trying to find someone to blame,same as every other places in the world,in China they can blame the govt,sure,shows how much they look up to their govt in their usual lives. I would be worried if they don‘t

It reminds me of last year when a p2p loan shark scam broke out,people who lost their money sit in front of govt buildings to protest for days,they were making money prior to that and they just pocketed the profit silently without paying a dime as tax,now they lost and want to blame the govt,a bit unfair dont u think

Our ppl are getting more spoiled everyday and have too much freedom on their hands if you ask me
 
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Brilliant. I see our govt has taken up the art of crowd control

A grief stricken crowd can be easily getting out of hand,they are angry and in denial and always trying to find someone to blame,same as every other places in the world,in China they can blame the govt,sure,shows how much they look up to their govt in their usual lives. I would be worried if they don‘t

It reminds me of last year when a p2p loan shark scam broke out,people who lost their money sit in front of govt buildings to protest for days,they were making money prior to that and they just pocketed the profit silently without paying a dime as tax,now they lost and want to blame the govt,a bit unfair dont u think

Our ppl are getting more spoiled everyday and have too much freedom on their hands if you ask me


Oh absolutely not. One reason is that it is the Government's role to regulate financial institutions, and make clear the risks involved.

I am already scared for the Chinese stock market, which is already getting out of hand. The biggest problem is that the corporate governance rules in China are not strict, especially for security regulators.

The system in China for some time has been framed such that it favors the rich.

Also, this method isn't good, it is pathetic. It would have been good, if Government was forthright and transparent.

These methods don't engage public, they create more vested interests within the state.
 
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Brilliant. I see our govt has taken up the art of crowd control

A grief stricken crowd can be easily getting out of hand,they are angry and in denial and always trying to find someone to blame,same as every other places in the world,in China they can blame the govt,sure,shows how much they look up to their govt in their usual lives. I would be worried if they don‘t

It reminds me of last year when a p2p loan shark scam broke out,people who lost their money sit in front of govt buildings to protest for days,they were making money prior to that and they just pocketed the profit silently without paying a dime as tax,now they lost and want to blame the govt,a bit unfair dont u think

Our ppl are getting more spoiled everyday and have too much freedom on their hands if you ask me
time for the chinese govt to disconnect ur internet connection.:cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:
 
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Oh absolutely not. One reason is that it is the Government's role to regulate financial institutions, and make clear the risks involved.

I am already scared for the Chinese stock market, which is already getting out of hand. The biggest problem is that the corporate governance rules in China are not strict, especially for security regulators.

The system in China for some time has been framed such that it favors the rich.

Also, this method isn't good, it is pathetic. It would have been good, if Government was forthright and transparent.

These methods don't engage public, they create more vested interests within the state.

You are naive and still drunk on the democracy bullcrap the west fed you over the past decades

For public opinion manipulation?I think we are learning from the best. The difference is they are doing it seamlessly and there‘s still a long way ahead for us :lol:

 
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You are naive and still drunk on the democracy bullcrap the west fed you over the past decades

For public opinion manipulation?I think we are learning from the best. The difference is they are doing it seamlessly and there‘s still a long way ahead for us :lol:


What are you telling me, that this video is fake?

Brilliant. I see our govt has taken up the art of crowd control

A grief stricken crowd can be easily getting out of hand,they are angry and in denial and always trying to find someone to blame,same as every other places in the world,in China they can blame the govt,sure,shows how much they look up to their govt in their usual lives. I would be worried if they don‘t

It reminds me of last year when a p2p loan shark scam broke out,people who lost their money sit in front of govt buildings to protest for days,they were making money prior to that and they just pocketed the profit silently without paying a dime as tax,now they lost and want to blame the govt,a bit unfair dont u think

Our ppl are getting more spoiled everyday and have too much freedom on their hands if you ask me

And anyways it should be your people who should determine things, not your government.

The CCP itself said this when it was fighting Kuomintang, but now has completely backtracked from its words.
 
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I believe its real,but manipulation doesn‘t necessarily mean fabrication.

Same with telling the truth about rescue efforts of the govt to the relatives,witch is also 100% real

No the point of the allegation is that there are people writing positive things about government effort intentionally.

To me it also appears, natural.

Does any mother want its kids to participate in any riot? I wouldn't say so, and hence her actions.

What would be the mental state of the family when they get to know that their loved ones are dead? And that they are not receiving timely information. I would say furious.
 
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It reminds me of last year when a p2p loan shark scam broke out,people who lost their money sit in front of govt buildings to protest for days,they were making money prior to that and they just pocketed the profit silently without paying a dime as tax,now they lost and want to blame the govt,a bit unfair dont u think

Our ppl are getting more spoiled everyday and have too much freedom on their hands if you ask me

I agree entirely. People wail when they lose but silently keep the profits without disclosing it.

However, if such things happen ( which it does even in India) shouldn't the Govt be blamed for allowing scamsters to rip off people and the Govt both ?

The bottom line is that Asia which is still emerging such things will happen and Politicians & in your case Govt officials will make money on the side because such big financial activities cannot happen without their consent.
 
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This paranoia must end. Such stuff only generates resentment.

Until issues like this, I was actually impressed with the quick Chinese response. But they are getting paranoid. Relatives should be given full knowledge, and at least domestic media should be allowed.

And there is no reason to generate "positive public opinion."

Gosh! This whole public opinion thing sounds so Orwellian.

China seriously needs some civil liberties, which are enforceable without discrimination.

@AndrewJin @Shotgunner51 @cnleio @cirr @utp45

Until and unless there is threat of public opinion, there will be no change on the front of corruption, and Changing public opinion, firstly is not possible in every circumstance, and secondly, will only give cover for corruption and party nepotism to flourish.

A few of the relatives in Shanghai who were part of a news sharing chat group told Reuters they suspected police were pretending to be family members and were posting messages and photos, mainly about government rescue efforts.

"Why would a grief-stricken family member be posting such positive messages about what a great job government officials are doing in Jianli?" said one man whose mother is missing.
Reuters like rumors

I agree entirely. People wail when they lose but silently keep the profits without disclosing it.

However, if such things happen ( which it does even in India) shouldn't the Govt be blamed for allowing scamsters to rip off people and the Govt both ?

The bottom line is that Asia which is still emerging such things will happen and Politicians & in your case Govt officials will make money on the side because such big financial activities cannot happen without their consent.
Free is abused,Indians also don't understand,Chinese law from Europe,Why China is not free?Europeans used the world's people don't understand Chinese,Smear China。
 
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Stop trying to cause trouble to us, especially when we just had a sad event. This is an order.
 
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