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Red Mosque's Maulana Abdul Aziz is threatening policemen with violence

It all started during 1980s Afghan war, all those who fought during the war came from the Maddrasas, millions of funding was given to them, international links were made etc. It will take decades to reverse. Shameful policy to make innocent people brainwashed and extremist.

80s the situation was different and Islamically jihad was justified then because a anti Islam occupier Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan.
The real problem is we didn’t teach our children what real jihad is and what isn’t. What qualifies and jihad what doesn’t. We should teach Islamic history and about all the wars the sahaba fought so people understand when jihad is allowed and when not
 
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The gov't really did handle this very well like professionals by speaking to Maulana Abdul Aziz this is how you conduct diplomacy in weird situations and I still believe pervez musharraf paid with his seat what he did in Lal Masjid he escalated unnecessarily and eventually got ousted from office. Reckless actions sometimes can be the worse choice
 
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So we should allow daesh type teachers and make our kids brainwashed?
What's your solution? - let it be
Follow what is in the Quran and the Hadith. that is the solution no matter how unpalatable it is to the Indians.
 
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Pakistan is suffering because you can’t impose western secularist ideas on a conservative Islamic nation. You do that and you’ll get people joining ttp and daesh blindly.
Instead mainstream all madressa and teach islam properly in schools and madressas and make madressas a place where students learn about deen and real world and learn sciences. We are a Islamic nation so implement Islamic law and teach Islam in schools so you don’t get extremism. Tlp ttp daesh is only a thing in Pakistan because we don’t teach our kids Islam instead ficus on their secular education and then some mullah brainwashing our kid to use them for their own means

The current government is taking good steps by encouraging to teach Maths Science etc in to Maddrasas (Nizam ul Maddaras), this will become good in the future as other Maddaras will copy, but then making blunders by making haram laws in to Pakistan. I don't get the policy makers.
 
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This isn't India, where you can modify the teachings and change the meanings.

no ones saying to modify the teaching or change the meanings.Ttp daesh are khawarji islamically and worst of mankind. Teach Islam properly in madressas so people know what’s the difference between a real mujahid and a khawarji
yep idiot seculars in Pak never realize it
Anti-religion is not the answer- soften the religion itself

not even soften the religion. Teach the religion properly. If you don’t teach Islam properly to your kids someone else will use them for their means. Islam can’t be changed but these corrupt Mullahs use it for their personal gains.
 
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80s the situation was different and Islamically jihad was justified then because a anti Islam occupier Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan.
The real problem is we didn’t teach our children what real jihad is and what isn’t. What qualifies and jihad what doesn’t. We should teach Islamic history and about all the wars the sahaba fought so people understand when jihad is allowed and when not

Jihad with training and weapons from the USA? Jihad by brainwashing the public with a imported version of Islam (which in reality is not even Islam). We are suffering from the mistakes made in the 1980s with regarding extremism. Yes I agree children should be taught the true Islam, the Islam of peace and brotherhood.
 
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ISIS,TTP also teach Quran and Maulana waheed ud din also teach Quran
which version should we allow?
Do you follow them? Have you heard them preach? Are you paid to follow them, how do you know what they preach, I certainly don't know.
 
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Jihad with training and weapons from the USA? Jihad by brainwashing the public with a imported version of Islam (which in reality is not even Islam). We are suffering from the mistakes made in the 1980s with regarding extremism. Yes I agree children should be taught the true Islam, the Islam of peace and brotherhood.

Islamically jihad was justified against soviets in Afghanistan. Using us weapons or us training doesn’t change the fact that jihad there was justified and allowed islamically. Yes Islam is about peace and brotherhood but we’ve been given the right to defend our self and we will against any occupier and any taghut who tries oppressing us
 
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Islamically jihad was justified against soviets in Afghanistan. Using us weapons or us training doesn’t change the fact that jihad there was justified and allowed islamically. Yes Islam is about peace and brotherhood but we’ve been given the right to defend our self and we will against any occupier and any taghut who tries oppressing us
lots of people who went to Afghan jihad settled back into society
My uncles went in that jihad for 1-2 years, came back and own couple of factories and are productive members of societies

So afghan jihad itself wasn't bad, how we left a power vacuum, didn't control the situation afterwards, rise of hate preachers
This is where we went wrong - end game is where we lost it
 
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yep idiot seculars in Pak never realize it
Anti-religion is not the answer- soften the religion itself
I know discussion of God and stuff is banned in this forum, so instead of saying anything about truth of religion, I'll only present the view of history of religion, hopefully I think not against rules. from my academic influenced opinion one thing I'll say: religion cannot be softened without anti-religion. in Europe, the Catholic Church spread it's terror (against the heretics) until anti-Church Protestant Reformation and anti-religion Enlightenment didn't come along. now the Church is softening when all the people got sick of it's antics and left, and they couldn't stop people from leaving by burning them because the State became protective of rights, essentially against religions. without stiff opposition from equally fanatical opposition groups, all institutions and structures start empowering themselves without limit. Protestants too did their own extremism in USA but they were limited by Enlightenment influenced secular constitution. just see Saudi Arabia: is spread it's own version of Islam everywhere without any anti-religion, so now even more radical religious people threaten them. Saudi Arabia has seen multiple terror attacks and threats against it by the most radical. would you imagine?
 
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I know discussion of God and stuff is banned in this forum, so instead of saying anything about truth of religion, I'll only present the view of history of religion, hopefully I think not against rules. from my academic influenced opinion one thing I'll say: religion cannot be softened without anti-religion. in Europe, the Catholic Church spread it's terror until anti-Church Protestant Reformation and anti-religion Enlightenment didn't come along. now the Church is softening when all the people got sick of it's antics and left, and they couldn't stop people from leaving by burning them because the State became protective of rights, essentially against religions. without stiff opposition from equally fanatical opposition groups, all institutions and structures stary empowering themselves without limit. Protestants too did their own terror in USA but they were limited by Enlightenment influenced secular constitution. just see Saudi Arabia: is spread it's own version of Islam everywhere without any anti-religion, so now even more radical religious people threaten them. Saudi Arabia has seen multiple terror attacks and threats against it by the most radical. would you imagine?

I don't think this is possible this will wash us off all of our values. We can't lose our values we just want to limit disharmony to zero percent without losing our values in the process. Our values is a privilege and a special right given only by the supreme being. Islam is not relatable to Christianity but with Judiasm we share alot of commonalities with them even on the jurisdiction and the monotheistic aspects of understanding
 
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Do you follow them? Have you heard them preach? Are you paid to follow them, how do you know what they preach, I certainly don't know.
They are laantis, PC and they will suffer in this life and in after life and may they rot in hell like the pigs they are - cause this is exactly what they deserve for destroying lives - F them mofos

Khwarjis are the scum of this earth, they took away babies from mothers wombs, destroyed the lives of beautiful young men, may their silent supporters also suffer, they are culprits too

you are not new to this forum- read up on how they recruit young men, what they do with them, how they use their young minds
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Follow the Quran and Hadith.

Yes because of the power vacuum india and usa took the opportunity to create khawarji groups and used uneducated people to join
My family a lot of them did jihad in Afghanistan and Kashmir they went with jamaat I islami and resettled back into society after
Yep they went with Jamaat too I believe- still jamaatis to the core
 
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IEA will put an end to TTP because they don't align with IEA core interests because they need Pakistan to function as Dhul Qarnain for them and operate as a gate-keepr to stay strong because they block India from their country and belt in central Asia.

It is not in IEA interests to see unrest in Pakistan this is one of their major foreign policy interests hence they have called to TTP and said publically if they give us Bay'ah they should stop attacking Pak so in my honest opinion IEA will stop the TTP across the border by setting up talks etc etc because it is not in their calculus nor future foreign policy interests and they want Pakistan to rather take Shariah law peacefully in the future whenever it feels like it is ready but the key element for them is that Pakistan stays strong and grows stronger even better.

Hence TTP's days are short lived and will be no more but BLAAF will have to be dealt with and I reckoned their leaders have been eliminated in Afghanistan since IEA came to power and will wane out as a result since NDS and Amrullah Saleh is no more their main link to bank from foreign elements is eliminated
 
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