Recent CPEC JCC meeting; Pakistani objectives appear to be unmet

[Pak Nationalist]

In the recent JCC meeting, it appears that the Pakistani side could not get anything it set out to get while the Chinese side has gotten everything it wanted. Tariffs for the Chinese IPPs would not be renegotiated, meaning that PML-N ad-hocism would continue costing the country for the foreseeable future. ML-1 project could also not get off the rail where Pakistani view was again not accepted. Most importantly, the CPEC 2.0, where we were supposed to see widespread industrial collaboration, has remained a pipedream. This collaboration was supposed to increase our production capacity and create exportable surpluses, helping us finance the debt component of the CPEC. No progress on this front was made in this JCC either. It is unclear who is to be blamed for the go-slow policy on this front. Instead, we are talking about the construction of Dir, DIK-Peshawar Motorways which would either be constructed by incurring debt or on a BOT basis necessitating hefty tolls once these become operational. Motorways are not utilized in Pakistan for inter/intra-country trade due to the heavy tolls involved. Is this infrastructure going to improve the productive capacity of our economy? PML-N styled spending priorities that the incumbents used to frown upon rightfully have been embraced by them, unfortunately. Dasu dam attack has angered the Chinese to the extent that the construction on this strategic project which is vital to our water/food security and bringing down power tariffs in the long term, has been completely halted. One does not blame the Chinese there because the weakness of our leaders has virtually allowed India to assume the role of Israel and converted Pakistan into an Iran where Israel could take unilateral actions at will. It has increasingly become easy for India to thwart Pakistan's progress, whether Dasu attack, cyber attacks directed at our critical civilian infrastructure (FBR), or the disinformation operation aimed at Newzealand cricket team's visit (economic and image dividends cricket coming back to Pakistan would have had).

Pakistan, China agree not to alter tariff on power deals

Beijing seeks security of workers, arrest and prosecution of Dasu attackers as JCC of CPEC meets after two years.

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[ziaulislam]

In the recent JCC meeting, it appears that the Pakistani side could not get anything it set out to get while the Chinese side has gotten everything it wanted. Tariffs for the Chinese IPPs would not be renegotiated, meaning that PML-N ad-hocism would continue costing the country for the foreseeable future. ML-1 project could also not get off the rail where Pakistani view was again not accepted. Most importantly, the CPEC 2.0, where we were supposed to see widespread industrial collaboration, has remained a pipedream. This collaboration was supposed to increase our production capacity and create exportable surpluses, helping us finance the debt component of the CPEC. No progress on this front was made in this JCC either. It is unclear who is to be blamed for the go-slow policy on this front. Instead, we are talking about the construction of Dir, DIK-Peshawar Motorways which would either be constructed by incurring debt or on a BOT basis necessitating hefty tolls once these become operational. Motorways are not utilized in Pakistan for inter/intra-country trade due to the heavy tolls involved. Is this infrastructure going to improve the productive capacity of our economy? PML-N styled spending priorities that the incumbents used to frown upon rightfully have been embraced by them, unfortunately. Dasu dam attack has angered the Chinese to the extent that the construction on this strategic project which is vital to our water/food security and bringing down power tariffs in the long term, has been completely halted. One does not blame the Chinese there because the weakness of our own leaders has virtually allowed India to assume the role of Israel and converted Pakistan into an Iran where Israel could take unilateral actions at will. It has increasingly become easy for India to thwart Pakistan's progress, whether Dasu attack, cyber attacks directed at our critical civilian infrastructure (FBR), or the disinformation operation aimed at Newzealand cricket teams visit.

Pakistan, China agree not to alter tariff on power deals

Beijing seeks security of workers, arrest and prosecution of Dasu attackers as JCC of CPEC meets after two years.

www.dawn.com

Pakistan should then scrap ML1 and go through route of AB/WB plus self financing it

I am sure west will jump on it just to annoy china

 

[Darth Vader]

Railways pushed Europe and Japan
While it was road which connected US
Biggest thing is not every household in Pakistan owns a car.

Pakistan need to setup infrastructure which can help people and its industries.

Pakistan needs a fast reliable and cheaper railway network system which connects whole country really quickly that can transport goods at really cheaper price.

This will allow smooth transfer of goods to whole country also fixing food shortages and prices, allowing new industry to be setup in port cities which can process these goods and can export these out.

Huge motorway systems wont do much unless you buils your economy and your local middle class

 

[ziaulislam]

Power projects was always gping to be difficult to renegoiate

 

[Pak Nationalist]

Pakistan should then scrap ML1 and go through route of AB/WB plus self financing it

I am sure west will jump on it just to annoy china

That is an interesting preposition.

 

[khansaheeb]

In the recent JCC meeting, it appears that the Pakistani side could not get anything it set out to get while the Chinese side has gotten everything it wanted. Tariffs for the Chinese IPPs would not be renegotiated, meaning that PML-N ad-hocism would continue costing the country for the foreseeable future. ML-1 project could also not get off the rail where Pakistani view was again not accepted. Most importantly, the CPEC 2.0, where we were supposed to see widespread industrial collaboration, has remained a pipedream. This collaboration was supposed to increase our production capacity and create exportable surpluses, helping us finance the debt component of the CPEC. No progress on this front was made in this JCC either. It is unclear who is to be blamed for the go-slow policy on this front. Instead, we are talking about the construction of Dir, DIK-Peshawar Motorways which would either be constructed by incurring debt or on a BOT basis necessitating hefty tolls once these become operational. Motorways are not utilized in Pakistan for inter/intra-country trade due to the heavy tolls involved. Is this infrastructure going to improve the productive capacity of our economy? PML-N styled spending priorities that the incumbents used to frown upon rightfully have been embraced by them, unfortunately. Dasu dam attack has angered the Chinese to the extent that the construction on this strategic project which is vital to our water/food security and bringing down power tariffs in the long term, has been completely halted. One does not blame the Chinese there because the weakness of our own leaders has virtually allowed India to assume the role of Israel and converted Pakistan into an Iran where Israel could take unilateral actions at will. It has increasingly become easy for India to thwart Pakistan's progress, whether Dasu attack, cyber attacks directed at our critical civilian infrastructure (FBR), or the disinformation operation aimed at Newzealand cricket teams visit.

Pakistan, China agree not to alter tariff on power deals

Beijing seeks security of workers, arrest and prosecution of Dasu attackers as JCC of CPEC meets after two years.

www.dawn.com

Stop being so negative, Pakistan is not a super rich nation and these projects take time. CPEC has made remarkable progress and evil eyes are watching it , stop scheming criticisms to undermine the project.

 

[Desprado]

Pakistan should then scrap ML1 and go through route of AB/WB plus self financing it

I am sure west will jump on it just to annoy china

Requires approval of IMF and you want Pakistan to end IMF program. Joke is on you.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

Railways pushed Europe and Japan
While it was road which connected US
Biggest thing is not every household in Pakistan owns a car.

Pakistan need to setup infrastructure which can help people and its industries.

Pakistan needs a fast reliable and cheaper railway network system which connects whole country really quickly that can transport goods at really cheaper price.

This will allow smooth transfer of goods to whole country also fixing food shortages and prices, allowing new industry to be setup in port cities which can process these goods and can export these out.

Huge motorway systems wont do much unless you buils your economy and your local middle class

Precisely. These are not being used as lines of communication for trade like say GT road is or other regional highways are. Ideally bulk of freight should be moving via railways but the political economy has evolved in a manner where powerful interest groups rake money through roads transportation. It was not always so.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

Stop being so negative, Pakistan is not a super rich nation and these projects take time. CPEC has made remarkable progress and evil eyes are watching it , stop scheming criticisms to undermine the project.

A dispassionate analysis of the CPEC related developments is scheming? Are you aware that the debt portion of CPEC was supposed to be financed majorly by CPEC 2.0 that involved increasing our domestic production? The financial sustainability of the CPEC project rests on the successful implementation of CPEC 2.0 that involves large-scale industrial cooperation. Highlighting how we are lagging on that in the wider interest of CPEC project is scheming? Pakistan is not a super-rich country, true. That is why we needed industrial cooperation to produce exportable surpluses earning precious foreign exchange to pay for all the debt-based infrastructure development (there is a debt component to the CPEC, too) that was being developed. "Evil eyes" and "hands" would be successful if progress on CPEC 2.0 is not made. Evil hands are already successful in threatening the security of Chinese workers in Pakistan. Why would Chinese investors invest in an insecure environment? Again, that success must be attributed to weak leadership and lack of capability build-up in the security realm.

 

[Vapnope]

The agreement with China is still shrouded in mystery while the tall claims were made by PMLn and then PTI. We are seeing zero collaboration between Pakistan and China for capacity building in manufacturing sector (Strictly speaking of civilian industries) and it from Chinese standpoint, why would they train their competitor when they can earn by selling their product in Pakistan.

Dawood Razak was supposed to find a way to negotiate with Chinese and find a way to include domestic players in CPEC projects. Now it seems that we have lost the steam and Chinese are pissed for delays from our side. Somebody take it up in the senate to address this issue.

Are we to believe the rumors that some powerful people in Pakistan are deliberately delaying CPEC for they have an understanding with American? Food for thought !

 

[Vapour]

Whilst not comparable, I somewhat agree with the Israel- Iran analogy, we're not seeing visible retaliation that has plausible deniability against Indian perpetrators of incidents in mainland Pakistan.

Wonder if Moeed Yusuf is the correct man for the NSA role, does he have enough empowerment to suggest full spectrum solutions or has only been tasked to provide political and academic views? Perhaps a decoupling of his role, so that he keeps doing the very important job of looking at Pakistan's security in other domains such as food etc., remains with him and someone more versed in Intelligence matters is handed the NSA position.

 

[Desprado]

The agreement with China is still shrouded in mystery while the tall claims were made by PMLn and then PTI. We are seeing zero collaboration between Pakistan and China for capacity building in manufacturing sector (Strictly speaking of civilian industries) and it from Chinese standpoint, why would they train their competitor when they can earn by selling their product in Pakistan.

Dawood Razak was supposed to find a way to negotiate with Chinese and find a way to include domestic players in CPEC projects. Now it seems that we have lost the steam and Chinese are pissed for delays from our side. Somebody take it up in the senate to address this issue.

Are we to believe the rumors that some powerful people in Pakistan are deliberately delaying CPEC for they have an understanding with American? Food for thought !

It both PTI and PMLN fault.

PMLN did not see the projects and was amazingly to fast and PTI delayed CPEC from the start of the year, which impact FDI, investments, projects and secondary investment.

PTI was clueless and another Imran khan statement that i have 200 finance team ready for Pakistan, which turned out to much worse than Isaq Dar.

Imran Khan is man with Speech but without any plan. He has no plan is fact that Pakistan has to deal with otherwise he would not have hired a person who has made worst bank ever in Pakistan ,which is Silk Bank and Union Bank.

 

[Pappa Alpha]

Gazwa-I-Hind won't happen due to the sheer difference in scale.

Off topic: Hind has been fked before multiple times, with much less. Anyways, you shouldn't worry too much about it since it clearly won't happen due to sheer difference in scale.

 

[Falconless]

Putting all your eggs in one basket is always a mistake, we did this with the Americans first and now I fear we are doing it with the Chinese.

 

[Chris Logan]

Pajeet, open a new thread with this question and many will oblige your deficiency. Quit polluting this thread about CPEC with irrelevant stuff.

Focus on Trade with India.