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Filty, disgusting country.
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Read this post on India from a woman travelling in India on reddit
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Filty, disgusting country.
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Not so incredible India. Even worse we have them as neighbours.
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And she has even traveled to Afghanistan, India is truly a disgusting, shit filled country.
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Without doubt the most disgusting place she says of India
. But they still go there. To be molested and raped.Rajesh Kumar
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Still better than many disgusting countries in south Asia... Before jumping on any conclusion just check how much we earn from tourism industry compare to other south Asia countries and then if we are disgusting country then what could say for others?
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I clicked on the link and it's still there.
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Yeah and still manage to rape and grope those tourists. You get more tourists because you are effin big, you can't compare yourself to the likes of Nepal now, can you?
And Pakistan ofcourse had security issues, but yet every single tourist who comes to Pakistan has only good things to say about the people there. Youtube is filled with those travelogues.
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On women security case, we are in top list and Pakistan comes in 6th place. I don't see any difference between India and Pakistan. We are big country so even incident numbers are high.
I am not defending my country ...yes, we are not best country for Women security but even don't see any south Asia country is best. we all south Asia countries are facing almost same kind of challenges.
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I doubt it. Women are not safe anywhere in India.
Why do you poke your nose in matters you don't have knowledge of
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Just going on the women opinions of India and all the news reports. Stop being defensive and accept the facts.
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This is her response on reddit:
"grassfed-stoic"
5 days ago
I would love to reply to everyone who has taken the time to respond but there’s a lot to get through so I’ll write a general response here. Just to clarify a few points, I didn’t spend much time in Delhi, only a day and two nights either side of my trip as it was the easiest airport to connect to the countries I was arrive from and travelling to - I’d read enough to know it wasn’t somewhere I wanted to visit on its own merits.
I did actually do a fair amount of research and booked all my hotels on legitimate sites that I’ve used around the world but the fake reviews for Indian hotels make it difficult to get an honest appreciation of a property prior to arrival. I deliberately booked at purported 5 star hotels as I didn’t want to come across the same issues experienced by other travellers trying to experience India cheaply. Some Indian owned were brilliant such as the Rambagh Palace in Jaipur but in the end I stuck with the shangri-la and Radisson Blu properties for most of my stay. I had wanted to support local businesses which is why I initially booked Indian branded properties.
I flew most places, the only time I considered public transportation was between Jaipur and Agra as flights weren’t available. I only booked 1st class carriages and was meant to catch the train again between Agra and Delhi but after my prior experience with trains, and from talking to other female travellers cancelled and hired a driver. The reason I initially chose train over car is that in the balance of probabilities I was more likely to be killed in a car crash on Indian roads than being attacked on a train.
On the train travel subject, I received some personal messages telling me how stupid I was to catch a train and that I was asking to be assaulted, I think this is an indication of the wider issue. The question shouldn’t be why did a woman catch a train in broad daylight, rather, why is it so unsafe to do so?
The reason I wanted to do a yoga retreat was because it was on a friends bucket list, she died 2 years ago in her mid 20s so her friends are crossing items off for her- I’m still sad I didn’t manage it. The retreat was meant to be a good one, their focus is teacher training I get the feeling the forgot about my booking so were full so tried to palm me off to another property (while still keeping my money). The retreat was what kept me stuck in the north as I had to build my itinerary around it.
On travelling on my own, I do believe that if I travelled with my 7 foot tall husband I’d have had less issues. He refused to travel to India though based on what he’d heard, I wanted to give it a chance to speak for itself so planned my trip for when he was overseas on business. I HATE organised tours! I’ve travelled either on my own or with H (for work or holiday) in countries such as Mexico, Somalia, Kenya, China, Iraq, Kuwait, Syria and Saudi with no major issues so am not as naive as people are assuming.
I was prepared for dirt and poverty but was massively under prepared for the dishonesty and sexualisation I encountered, I put this down to a few factors:
-travel bloggers are fairly dishonest, I like Karl Rock and even bought his book but he’s a man who lives in India and has an Indian girlfriend so his experience was never going to be mine. Female bloggers tend to whitewash over problems, for good reason, they’re sponsored to write their blogs if they piss people off they don’t receive the same level of sponsorship. One blogger I can think of does mention being groped and having homestay hosts assault her but as though it’s not really a big deal or that it’s a funny story which makes you think it’s not that bad until you’re there. It is though, it’s sexual assault and ignoring it doesn’t help anyone, least of all the local girls who go through it daily.
-Most of these bloggers prefer to focus on pretty pictures rather than on the truth, beside the sponsorship, free holidays clothes ect thing it’s dangerous to be honest. I do know of one blogging couple who wrote about how they were thinking of cutting their trip short due to similar issues and received death threats. I received some awful personal messages although waited until I left India to say anything as I was concerned about the response, so it’s hard to do any real research as an outsider as there’s a glossing over of issues and threats.
Even as I was leaving from the international airport I avoided a scam attempt, I wanted to get rid of my rupees so went into a duty free shop to buy a packet of tea, it’s MRP was 950 rupees, I handed the cashier the money and he told me it was almost 4000 rupees. I demanded my money back and instead of the new 2000 rupee note he tried to give me old/outdated currency which can’t be changed at any money changer. I had to cause a massive fuss to get my money back as I paid, as it stands I still have thousands of useless rupees that no currency changer will accept! I wish more people would have spoken up and said something to help me when they saw these scams being played out but no one did, at the train station people actually laughed at my distress of being stranded there with no one to help.
A lot of you have mentioned empathy and you’re absolutely right to, I do understand that the majority of people have nothing and that this breeds an opportunistic mindset. But again this was difficult for me to assimilate as India is not a third world country, it’s industrialised. It has a high rate of literacy and college education yet still chooses to keep the majority in third world conditions, I’d say it’s this dichotomy that made India the hardest country for me to have experienced.
As an example, in Agra I was walking out of the red fort with my guide and another girl I met at the hotel, we got into the car and had a few women holding babies tapping in the glass saying “baby hungry.” When we drove off guide mentioned that these women “hire” babies and drug them so they look starving to make more money, this has been mentioned on comments here.. what the ****?
If this is common and people know about it, why aren’t they doing anything? Why aren’t there crowds of intervening citizens, furious that their most precious and vulnerable are being trafficked and drugged on a daily basis for a few rupees? Why aren’t doctors going there to check these babies and services acting to protect them?
It’s not the pathetic women drugging the babies who make me the angriest and who symbolise my thoughts of India, it’s the educated people who have the ability to do something to protect their own but don’t."
"grassfed-stoic"
5 days ago
I would love to reply to everyone who has taken the time to respond but there’s a lot to get through so I’ll write a general response here. Just to clarify a few points, I didn’t spend much time in Delhi, only a day and two nights either side of my trip as it was the easiest airport to connect to the countries I was arrive from and travelling to - I’d read enough to know it wasn’t somewhere I wanted to visit on its own merits.
I did actually do a fair amount of research and booked all my hotels on legitimate sites that I’ve used around the world but the fake reviews for Indian hotels make it difficult to get an honest appreciation of a property prior to arrival. I deliberately booked at purported 5 star hotels as I didn’t want to come across the same issues experienced by other travellers trying to experience India cheaply. Some Indian owned were brilliant such as the Rambagh Palace in Jaipur but in the end I stuck with the shangri-la and Radisson Blu properties for most of my stay. I had wanted to support local businesses which is why I initially booked Indian branded properties.
I flew most places, the only time I considered public transportation was between Jaipur and Agra as flights weren’t available. I only booked 1st class carriages and was meant to catch the train again between Agra and Delhi but after my prior experience with trains, and from talking to other female travellers cancelled and hired a driver. The reason I initially chose train over car is that in the balance of probabilities I was more likely to be killed in a car crash on Indian roads than being attacked on a train.
On the train travel subject, I received some personal messages telling me how stupid I was to catch a train and that I was asking to be assaulted, I think this is an indication of the wider issue. The question shouldn’t be why did a woman catch a train in broad daylight, rather, why is it so unsafe to do so?
The reason I wanted to do a yoga retreat was because it was on a friends bucket list, she died 2 years ago in her mid 20s so her friends are crossing items off for her- I’m still sad I didn’t manage it. The retreat was meant to be a good one, their focus is teacher training I get the feeling the forgot about my booking so were full so tried to palm me off to another property (while still keeping my money). The retreat was what kept me stuck in the north as I had to build my itinerary around it.
On travelling on my own, I do believe that if I travelled with my 7 foot tall husband I’d have had less issues. He refused to travel to India though based on what he’d heard, I wanted to give it a chance to speak for itself so planned my trip for when he was overseas on business. I HATE organised tours! I’ve travelled either on my own or with H (for work or holiday) in countries such as Mexico, Somalia, Kenya, China, Iraq, Kuwait, Syria and Saudi with no major issues so am not as naive as people are assuming.
I was prepared for dirt and poverty but was massively under prepared for the dishonesty and sexualisation I encountered, I put this down to a few factors:
-travel bloggers are fairly dishonest, I like Karl Rock and even bought his book but he’s a man who lives in India and has an Indian girlfriend so his experience was never going to be mine. Female bloggers tend to whitewash over problems, for good reason, they’re sponsored to write their blogs if they piss people off they don’t receive the same level of sponsorship. One blogger I can think of does mention being groped and having homestay hosts assault her but as though it’s not really a big deal or that it’s a funny story which makes you think it’s not that bad until you’re there. It is though, it’s sexual assault and ignoring it doesn’t help anyone, least of all the local girls who go through it daily.
-Most of these bloggers prefer to focus on pretty pictures rather than on the truth, beside the sponsorship, free holidays clothes ect thing it’s dangerous to be honest. I do know of one blogging couple who wrote about how they were thinking of cutting their trip short due to similar issues and received death threats. I received some awful personal messages although waited until I left India to say anything as I was concerned about the response, so it’s hard to do any real research as an outsider as there’s a glossing over of issues and threats.
- many foreigners who travel to India are on the fringes of our societies, they’re looking for the acceptance or enlightenment that they don’t find at home and it’s nice when they find it, these are probably the tourists who enjoy India the most - I wasn’t looking for enlightenment or to change my life.
- I stood out, I’m six foot tall and blonde. When I spent some days with a Chinese girl I met we both noticed that she didn’t really draw any attention at all where as I had crowds of people wanting photos with me (I always said yes to women, children and families, always no to men and boys) I did keep myself completely covered in loose dresses that covered my wrists, ankles and went to my neck
- I think that having money was a blessing and a curse, I didn’t meet people in backpackers and although I only wore my wedding ring probably still stood out as someone who had more to offer financially than the backpackers or average tourists. It did give me the option of locking myself away in safe little bubbles though once things became too overwhelming.
Even as I was leaving from the international airport I avoided a scam attempt, I wanted to get rid of my rupees so went into a duty free shop to buy a packet of tea, it’s MRP was 950 rupees, I handed the cashier the money and he told me it was almost 4000 rupees. I demanded my money back and instead of the new 2000 rupee note he tried to give me old/outdated currency which can’t be changed at any money changer. I had to cause a massive fuss to get my money back as I paid, as it stands I still have thousands of useless rupees that no currency changer will accept! I wish more people would have spoken up and said something to help me when they saw these scams being played out but no one did, at the train station people actually laughed at my distress of being stranded there with no one to help.
A lot of you have mentioned empathy and you’re absolutely right to, I do understand that the majority of people have nothing and that this breeds an opportunistic mindset. But again this was difficult for me to assimilate as India is not a third world country, it’s industrialised. It has a high rate of literacy and college education yet still chooses to keep the majority in third world conditions, I’d say it’s this dichotomy that made India the hardest country for me to have experienced.
As an example, in Agra I was walking out of the red fort with my guide and another girl I met at the hotel, we got into the car and had a few women holding babies tapping in the glass saying “baby hungry.” When we drove off guide mentioned that these women “hire” babies and drug them so they look starving to make more money, this has been mentioned on comments here.. what the ****?
If this is common and people know about it, why aren’t they doing anything? Why aren’t there crowds of intervening citizens, furious that their most precious and vulnerable are being trafficked and drugged on a daily basis for a few rupees? Why aren’t doctors going there to check these babies and services acting to protect them?
It’s not the pathetic women drugging the babies who make me the angriest and who symbolise my thoughts of India, it’s the educated people who have the ability to do something to protect their own but don’t."
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