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Re: India plans to buy 3 radar reconnaissance aircrafts A-50 in Russia

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pictures of that plane ? anyone ?!

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The Ex-CoAS Tyagi said the Il-76's are a burden to maintain.
He said that if it(The IAF) were an Airline,it'd become bankrupt!
He said the same about the MiG-29(Citing the German AF chief's comment about the sale of the German AF's MiG-29 to Poland for one Euro each).
He also mentioned that Russian aircraft are cheap to procure but cost a bomb to operate.
Source:Strat Post roundtable conference on 'Air Power'.
Any comments?

That is not new and will always be an issue with Russian aircrafts, unless we co-develop them with the capability to built crucial parts in India and not be dependent on Russian spare supply anymore. However in this case, the A50 is the most logical choice, since it's just a follow on deal after the former one and it would be silly to add a new type of aircraft now, which makes the integration of the radar system more difficult again and most likely cause delays. Also you have to keep in mind, that even if the Russians have issues in after sale support, they also are our most trusted friend. We have seen the difference in war times of having sanction prove Russian aircrafts and support, compared to US aircrafts, that might be easier and cheaper to maintain in peace times, but are not prone to sanctions and when we need them the most!
Even the C17 could turn out to be a burden in war times, if the US again pose sanctions and limit IAFs operational capability, when you then keep in mind the importance of an AWACS aircraft, a safe A50 even with more difficult maintainance is the clearly better choice!
For the future, with improved indigenous radar systems, we might go for different platforms (MTA, A320, A330...), but now when we need to induct the AWACS as fast as possible, sticking to what you have and know ist the best for IAF.
 
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Greenpine is not supposed to be airborne. Just like Greenpine is ground based system, Phalcons are airbornes. 2 different systems.

Yeah I had just read an article dated 2002 which made it sound like Green Pine is on AWACS

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They are not happy with the Russian after sale support, not with the aircrafts itself. The tanker was not selected, because it offers clear disadvantages to modern tanker designs, at far higher operational costs.
If u look they need more maintenance and not available flights
 
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If u look they need more maintenance and not available flights

And still were the safest option for us in war times, also as others mentioned, the modernisations and upgraded engines that the newer IL 76 and the A50s have gone through surely made things better, compared to the old transporters. One also have to keep in mind the difference between arms and techs that were produced in the former Soviet times and now in Russia. After the fall it took Russia some time to reform the systems again, which also was a reason for spare problems, be it for the IL 76s, Mi 26 or older Mig fighters. Today however, things are much better with MKIs, Mi 17s and us continuing takeing over parts of the spare supply from our own industry. So things were bad in the past, have got better and with future joint development and increased involvement of Indian industry the aftersale situation of Russian arms will only get better. That's why I am hoping for an AWACS India based on the MTA, which would be a rather logical choice for us, to put an indigenous radar system on a platform that we co-designed and devloped accoding to our needs and that we can export without any issues.

So if the report is believed to be correct ... the overall fleet strength will be (3 + 3) OR (3 + 2 + 3) ???

3 + 3 (Russian source) or 3 +2 (Indian officials so far)
 
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