Raymond Davis Case: Developing Story

[VCheng]

With due respect...
I hate this chaplosi and Sir Sir routine, and this is one of the main reasons america get away with it, we as new generation are sick of these low life attitudes and that much involvement of america in our internal, external and strategic issues.

Banda merwa k bhi uthae jao bus

With equally due respect Sir Glorious Resolve.......

... my use of the word Sir is an indication of talking respectfully, no matter what the nationality being addressed. (Being educated in a military institution will do that to anyone! )

I bow to no man.

The reasons the America "gets away" with anything has more to do with other causes, not polite language.

 

[Thomas]

To all the bloody yanks over here, I was there ok I'm an eye witness. I was buying lunch in a bakery (Niralla Jail road) in front of which your trigger happy assole gunned down 2 innocent boys after another bunch of your baastard countrymen ran over a guy on a bike and these two boys tried to stop that Prado along with other people and traffic wardens when that guy in the white civic opened fire on them.
What is worse that despite us witnesses and wardens telling the channels and police the truth, they are twisting facts and have turned these two poor traders from Shah Alam wholesale market into robbers.
Only Express news has had the guts to run the story as it actually happened alongside the government dribble.
I wish we had lynched those yankie maaderchods there and then.
P.S mods please don't edit or delete my post as I want the members to know what really happened. God I felt so helpless then.

If you’re going to claim to be wittiness then at least gets the timing of the event right. The second vehicle was alerted after the fact of the shooting. That is when the bystander was hit. Also your story doesn't jive with other wittiness accounts.

Seems like what we have now are people on this forum deliberately trying to make up stories saying they were there and watched it all go down. However their stories don't match with each other. Or the other none PDF witnesses.

 

[redgriffin]

It's not me or the other witnesses who are lying, it is our government. And yes I was at the hospital LATER as well, try using your mental faculties. Members who know me personally know that my mother is a medical proffessor and she is nowadays posted as an external examiner for Mphil exams at SIMS where the victims were taken. I went to her office instead of going back to mine got it!

 

[humanfirst]

I was buying lunch in a bakery (Niralla Jail road) in front of which your trigger happy assole gunned down 2 innocent boys after another bunch of your baastard countrymen ran over a guy on a bike and these two boys tried to stop that Prado along with other people and traffic wardens when that guy in the white civic opened fire on them.
What is worse that despite us witnesses and wardens telling the channels and police the truth, they are twisting facts and have turned these two poor traders from Shah Alam wholesale market into robbers.

So according to you it was the prado which came first and ran over a guy in motorcycle.Then the people there including the two (who died later) and traffic wardens tried to stop the prado.Then the american guy in civic shot and killed those two guys who were trying to stop prado.Is this what you witnessed?

 

[JonAsad]

With equally due respect Sir Glorious Resolve.......

... my use of the word Sir is an indication of talking respectfully, no matter what the nationality being addressed. (Being educated in a military institution will do that to anyone! )

I bow to no man.

The reasons the America "gets away" with anything has more to do with other causes, not polite language.

Sorry about that, i am over run by emotions

 

[redgriffin]

And only one tv channel has run with that story whereas we gave the statements to the police and to two more channels. You can believe what you want mr, frankly I don't give a flying fcuk about what you or the other americans are bleating here.

 

[JonAsad]

I am 100% sure, they will soon find a bazooka and an AK as evidence that the motor cyclist were robbers, and that innocent guy who was ran over had a detonation device that didn't work.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

under NO circumstances may foreigners (diplomats at that) in Pakistan carry weapons....the standard protocol is to have reasonably well-armed and alert guards travel in tandem, in the vehicle as well as behind it.

I can understand that the diplomat acted on instinct; however it is still not acceptable. I don't regret the fact that 2 criminals carrying guns are no longer breathing; however foreigners cannot engage in vigilante behaviour in a foreign country --especially one like Pakistan where they are trying to fan down anti-American sentiment amongst the common man; an innocent bystander was killed by their rashly driven escort, that is also completely unacceptable --and mirrors the driving tactics of Marines in Baghdad and Afghanistan --which is not welcome in our country.

they should be stripped of their diplomatic immunity and be tried for murder in the first degree and involuntary manslaughter as well; the family of the victim should be compensated

diplomats should avoid travelling around except without a security protocol authorized by Interior Ministry/FO. And under no circumstances should they be allowed to carry weapons.

my views...

 

[Spring Onion]

I am 100% sure, they will soon find a bazooka and an AK as evidence that the motor cyclist were robbers, and that innocent guy who was ran over had a detonation device that didn't work.

yeh the police already made up a story that dollars were recovered from pockets of killed men

now one wonders if they knew some magic and the yankee's dollars flown to their pockets from the closed door car

 

[VCheng]

Sorry about that, i am over run by emotions

Thank you for accepting that, but please remember that a disciplined mind never lets raw emotions get the better of him/her under ANY circumstances.

We MUST learn to get our points of view across politely and intelligently.

 

[Spring Onion]

BTW from judicial point of view some correction needed with regard to this Self-Defence mantra


This is not at all a case of self defence for many reasons-according to Pakistan Penal Code, 1860 Section 100 covered self defence and prima facie they fired from inside the bullet proof vehicle and downing one person the other one was fired directly. We may give benefit of doubt but when the other motorcycle was chased and crushed this exception goes out and this action comes under the purview if Qatl-e-Amd as defined in Section 300 of the PPC and is punishable under Section 302 PPC

 

[redgriffin]

Jana behn we really are a ''suti payi qaum''.
And that point which I posted about the licensed piece on Faisal and his family eemity won't make it to the news either. It will always be a couple of dacoits vs a yank out there and a lying(sic) chartered accountant vs american military pros in here.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

that Civic didn't even have tinted/privacy glass?

you can't be serious.....

 

[Spitfighter]

Two things.

1. I think the Pakistani police has already verified that he acted in self defense.
2. Diplomatic immunity.

They'll probably just recall the guy, there's no way he's going to be tried in Pakistan.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

can someone more familiar with international law inform whether Pakistan can legally detain and try these men in local courts; or is it standard that he would be repatriated to the U.S.?

I am not confident that US courts would be sympathetic to the Pakistani viewpoint. And for that reason, he and his buddies involved could possibly be viewed as a flight risks.


this is a tricky one; and this will put a lot of inexorable pressure on the Fed government since they (as usual) have to play their little balancing act