Ram Janmabhoomi or Babri Masjid- Possible solutions.

[Soulspeek]

After reading some thoughts of PDFians here, I feel, it would be a wrong idea to allow only a temple there. It has to be either both or an AIIMS like Institute which helps all communities.

If we allow only Mandir then it will embolden hardliner hindus to repeat it all over India. Ayodhya and Mathura are okay but I am pretty sure every day some random claim from Sanghis will come up from every town and city that historically there was a temple. That would be a very dangerous trend and would alienate muslims of our Nation. Sometimes I doubt the real intention of Sanghis. Do they want civil war in our nation?

During 1980s, it was so difficult to handle Khalistan movement in Punjab. Every day there was bloodshed and blasts. Just imagine it on 22 times scale with Maoists, Kashmiri, NE insurgency included. Only a retard deshdrohi and enemy of Mother India would think like that.

India stands united till it remains plural. The day India loses its unique character and plurality it would again become balkanized state with kingdoms divided on the basis of religion, language, culture just like pre British times.

 

[Grevion]

It won't be the first time people will be killing for religion. It's for muslims to decide if they want to prolong this fight.

So it will be ok for you if their are riots in India over this issue?

I suggest you first demolish the Kaaba and build a public Urinal there so that Kafirs like me can relive themselves in public and social interest.

Then you demolish all mosques in India and replace them with Hospital or a research center.

AND THEN offer suggestion of replacing temples with Hospitals and research center.

We are talking about this particular issue. Whatever you want to be built at Kaaba is a different issue altogether.
You must know the complexity of the issue and I want your version of the possible solution which can be accepted by all the parties

 

[sankranti]

So it will be ok for you if their are riots in India over this issue?

We are talking about this particular issue. Whatever you want to be built at Kaaba is a different issue altogether.
You must know the complexity of the issue and I want your version of the possible solution which can be accepted by all the parties

Ranjeet has already mentioned the solution. Not only Ayodhy but also in Mathur and Kashi.

If there are Riots, then issue orders to shoot the rioters. That will put an end to it. If people who want to deny Hindus their right has to die, then its better they die this way.

There is no complexity in the issue. Its simple, a Grand Ram Temple must be built there ASAP. Simple.

I do not see why all parties have to agree to it. You are clearly not agreeable to breaking down the kaaba so why different standards for Ram temple ?

 

[ranjeet]

So it will be ok for you if their are riots in India over this issue?

Like I said, it depends on Muslims for how long they want to fight this one out. They can give up their claim and earn some much needed goodwill with Hindus or they can live on crumbs thrown their way by secular parties.

 

[sankranti]

Like I said, it depends on Muslims for how long they want to fight this one out. They can give up their claim and earn some much needed goodwill with Hindus or they can live on crumbs thrown their way by secular parties.

That is a no brainer.

They will always choose crumbs over goodwill. To agree to Hindu demands is a matter of shame for them. A sign of their weakness and a indicator of them becoming "dhimmis" to the Hindus.

 

[ranjeet]

That is a no brainer.

They will always choose crumbs over goodwill. To agree to Hindu demands is a matter of shame for them. A sign of their weakness and a indicator of them becoming "dhimmis" to the Hindus.

Nai, telli, darzi, lohars and kasai would lose the narrative of 1000 saala hukumat over Hindu India

 

[sankranti]

Nai, telli, darzi, lohars and kasai would lose the narrative of 1000 saala hukumat over Hindu India

Precisely. Any solution that does not emphasis their "superiority" is not really a "solution" for them. Many Hindus fail to recognize this simple reality.

Same is true for Christians as well.

 

[Grevion]

Ranjeet has already mentioned the solution. Not only Ayodhy but also in Mathur and Kashi.

If there are Riots, then issue orders to shoot the rioters. That will put an end to it. If people who want to deny Hindus their right has to die, then its better they die this way.

There is no complexity in the issue. Its simple, a Grand Ram Temple must be built there ASAP. Simple.

I do not see why all parties have to agree to it. You are clearly not agreeable to breaking down the kaaba so why different standards for Ram temple ?

I have no issue for your idea of building something else at Kaaba because I am not a stakeholder party their.
You want to build a Ram Mandir their asap and you are willing to let the people die which is not a very positive approach as the same will happen over Mathura, Kashi and everywhere else and a neutral approach from both the sides is not possible in your opinion.
Were you satisfied after the Allahabad high court verdict in 2010?

Like I said, it depends on Muslims for how long they want to fight this one out. They can give up their claim and earn some much needed goodwill with Hindus or they can live on crumbs thrown their way by secular parties.

I agree with sickular parties using Muslims for their political gain made the matter worse but asking the Muslims to fully back down from their demands is neither the solution nor it should be our demand.

 

[HariPrasad]

Do you really believe that a mandir or a masjid will help the Indian society any good? Or will it be far better to have Hospital or a research center their?

What is your view on constructing Hospitals on all the mosques which were build by destructing temples.

 

[sankranti]

I have no issue for your idea of building something else at Kaaba because I am not a stakeholder party their.
You want to build a Ram Mandir their asap and you are willing to let the people die which is not a very positive approach as the same will happen over Mathura, Kashi and everywhere else and a neutral approach from both the sides is not possible in your opinion.
Were you satisfied after the Allahabad high court verdict in 2010?

You are not a stakeholder at Ayodhya either ..... yet you have no problem talking about it. Why not the same approach at Kaaba ?

I am not "letting" anybody die. If anybody attempts to kill others then they die. I suggest you go and preach to them not to start Riots and attempt to kill Hindus

If you are unwilling or unable to do that, then you have no moral right to preach to Hindus either. Kapish ?

You need to had over to people who know how to get things done.

There is no "neutral approach" when Hindus are reclaiming their Temples back from the muslims. Only a moron would think that such things can be "neutral". .

Finally the allahabad high court verdict was RUBBISH. It defined Logic, Reason and broke every precedent in law. All this in the false premise of "neutral approach".

I agree with sickular parties using Muslims for their political gain made the matter worse but asking the Muslims to fully back down from their demands is neither the solution nor it should be our demand.

You agreeing or disagreeing with CONgress means nothing.

Why should Hindus not ask the muslims to back down from blocking our attempts to build a Ram Temple in Ayodhya ?

 

[ranjeet]

I agree with sickular parties using Muslims for their political gain made the matter worse but asking the Muslims to fully back down from their demands is neither the solution nor it should be our demand.

That is the ONLY solution. Mathura Kashi and Ayodhya must be restored back to their lost glory.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Simple Solution... Half Area me Temple Bna do Half pe Masjid... beech me wall khari krdo... Simple is that Secular India ki Misaal Bn jai gi larai khtam...

If Masjid and Church can be build side by side why can't Masjid and temple?? Islam doesn't prevent about that

But I think there should be a huge hospital which can provide free treatment for both Hindu and Muslims. India don't need more temple or Masjid as we have enough everywhere.

 

[Grevion]

What is your view on constructing Hospitals on all the mosques which were build by destructing temples.

Babri was demolished during a riot. If people are willing to go on a riot demolishing mosques for a temple then yes their should be no mandir or masjid but instead a school and a hospital.

You are not a stakeholder at Ayodhya either ..... yet you have no problem talking about it. Why not the same approach at Kaaba ?

I am not "letting" anybody die. If anybody attempts to kill others then they die. I suggest you go and preach to them not to start Riots and attempt to kill Hindus

If you are unwilling or unable to do that, then you have no moral right to preach to Hindus either. Kapish ?

You need to had over to people who know how to get things done.

There is no "neutral approach" when Hindus are reclaiming their Temples back from the muslims. Only a moron would think that such things can be "neutral". .

Finally the allahabad high court verdict was RUBBISH. It defined Logic, Reason and broke every precedent in law. All this in the false premise of "neutral approach".
You agreeing or disagreeing with CONgress means nothing.

I am Indian Hindu so I have stakes in the Ayodhya dispute. I am not a Muslim and have absolutely no idea why you want to build a toilet in Kaaba. Why can't their be a neutral approach? After all we are a secular(Panthnirpeksh and not Dhramnirpeksh).

Why should Hindus not ask the muslims to back down from blocking our attempts to build a Ram Temple in Ayodhya ?

Because we are not a Hindu nation. After all-
(WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens)

That is the ONLY solution. Mathura Kashi and Ayodhya must be restored back to their lost glory.

The one glory we should proclaim is the Sone Ki Chidiya (Golden Bird) and the rest means nothing.

 

[sankranti]

I am Indian Hindu so I have stakes in the Ayodhya dispute. I am not a Muslim and have absolutely no idea why you want to build a toilet in Kaaba. Why can't their be a neutral approach? After all we are a secular(Panthnirpeksh and not Dhramnirpeksh).

We are NOT a secular country. First let us put that rubbish behind us. We are NOT Panthnirpeksh or Dhramnirpeksh.

We are a HINDU Nation which practices Hindu secularism.

That is why Muslims have a separate Personal law (against Dhramnirpeksh) which is DIFFERENT from Hindus. That is why we have REligious Minority Quota and Caste based reservation (against Panthnirpeksh) in India.

You area human being, and for Humans pissing and $hitting is more important that praying. So that is why Kaaba is the best place to make a public Urinal since lot of people go there Makes perfect sense. No ?

One one side you say you are not a "muslims" but a "hindu" and then go on to ask why we can't be "neutral" :lol;

Because we are not a Hindu nation. After all-
(WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens)

The one glory we should proclaim is the Sone Ki Chidiya (Golden Bird) and the rest means nothing.

Rubbish. We ARE a Hindu Nation. Secularism which his undefined in the Constitution is HINDU Secularism. This is evidenced by the simple fact that GoI run Hindu Temples but do not run Mosques or Churches.

Only a Moron would wants to be a "Sone ki Chidiya".

A "Cidiya" is a weak prey which is captured by the strong and put in a CAGE. "A Golden Bird" is just that. A weak prey who a muslim PREDATOR can cage and exploit.

Maybe a few retards might want to be that "golden bird" or a "pet dog" in a cage, not the rest of India.

Finally none of this has anything to do with Ram Mandir.

 

[dray]

Whatever the supreme court says should be final.