Rail Battle Between China and Japan Rushes At High Speed

[hirobo2]

Private bidding is often seen as quality driven in lieu of the price driven process normally experienced in the public bidding arena. Private bidding is based on a defined process in which the contractor is invited based on reputation, track record, experience, capacity to meet project requirements, current workload, safety or other criteria important to the owner.

Ah, but Dr., the light exists to shame the darkness. How can the light have glory when there is no darkness (counter-party contenders)?

Think of all those TV dramas you guys produce. Could you imagine how boring if the girl just falls for the guy w/o a romantic competitor involved?

 

[Aepsilons]

Ah, but Dr., the light exists to shame the darkness. How can the light have glory when there is no darkness (counter-party contenders)?

Think of all those TV dramas you guys produce. Could you imagine how boring if the girl just falls for the guy w/o a romantic competitor involved?

Hi,

Well there are pros and cons to both open and private bidding processes, in fact India has pointed out to open tender potential for Ahmedabad-Mumbai , LT Hyderbad, Chennai-Madurai , Nagpur Metro Railway, Ludhiana Metro Railway project(s). So there's definitely ample room for open competition and China should take advantage of this potential.

Ah, but Dr., the light exists to shame the darkness. How can the light have glory when there is no darkness (counter-party contenders)?

Btw, this light and dark figurative language you've chosen to adopt is rather unnecessary.

 

[terranMarine]

you think too much...where did I say that it will hurt China economy. I am trying to say that India's infrastructure demand is growing vertically....better relationship will be more beneficial to China...

Sometimes i wonder whether some of you guys are really blind or just having amnesia. You did not specifically mention China's economy but definitely referring to mass financial loss because projects would be given to foreign competitor(s) due to bad relations and that means not good for Chinese economy, why else would you say it's gonna hurt us? Another Indian wrote China is an export driven economy and it is hurting us for not having good ties. Really you guys think it's all about India don't you? It's as if China can't do without India when we can sell and build on a global scale. We don't need to build infrastructure for India.

 

[AndrewJin]

Sometimes i wonder whether some of you guys are really blind or just having amnesia. You did not specifically mention China's economy but definitely referring to mass financial loss because projects would be given to foreign competitor(s) due to bad relations and that means not good for Chinese economy, why else would you say it's gonna hurt us? Another Indian wrote China is an export driven economy and it is hurting us for not having good ties. Really you guys think it's all about India don't you? It's as if China can't do without India when we can sell and build on a global scale. We don't need to build infrastructure for India.

Actually the reaction in our railway forums about Japan choosing india as her HSR export destination is, yeah! yeah! yeah! Japan's highly acclaimed tech will be ruined!

lol

@TaiShang @Shotgunner51 @cirr

 

[Martian2]

Sometimes i wonder whether some of you guys are really blind or just having amnesia. You did not specifically mention China's economy but definitely referring to mass financial loss because projects would be given to foreign competitor(s) due to bad relations and that means not good for Chinese economy, why else would you say it's gonna hurt us? Another Indian wrote China is an export driven economy and it is hurting us for not having good ties. Really you guys think it's all about India don't you? It's as if China can't do without India when we can sell and build on a global scale. We don't need to build infrastructure for India.

China's 2015 trade surplus is very close to $600 billion.

China-India total trade in 2014 was about $70 billion.

China's trade surplus with India was about $38 billion. (Reference: India's trade deficit with China rose to $37.8 billion in 2014 - timesofindia-economictimes )

Let's assume China-India trade drops to zero. That means China has to subtract $38 billion from its trade surplus.

$600 billion - $38 billion = $562 billion (Will China even notice?)

For 2016, the price of a barrel of oil should drop another ten to twenty dollars. I'm predicting a Chinese trade surplus of $700 billion to $750 billion.

China-India trade is important for the companies that are involved. However, as a nation, China will barely notice the loss in China-India trade.

 

[terranMarine]

China's 2015 trade surplus is very close to $600 billion.

China-India total trade in 2014 was about $70 billion.

China's trade surplus with India was about $38 billion. (Reference: India's trade deficit with China rose to $37.8 billion in 2014 - timesofindia-economictimes )

Let's assume China-India trade drops to zero. That means China has to subtract $38 billion from its trade surplus.

$600 billion - $38 billion = $562 billion (Will China even notice?)

For 2016, the price of a barrel of oil should drop another ten to twenty dollars. I'm predicting a Chinese trade surplus of $700 billion to $750 billion.

China-India trade is important for the companies that are involved. However, as a nation, China will barely notice the loss in China-India trade.

When India sneeze, nobody notices it but when the Dragon does it the world catch a flu

 

[Shotgunner51]

Indians with GDP per capita of $1700/year can afford Mercedes? BMW?

Japan financed the whole deal with virtually 0 % interest rate. With the power of inflation, Japan will probably lose out in the long term.

That's why it should be low priority to tackle low-income markets. Moreover if a low-income market also carries negative international position (i.e. net external debt), negative trade balance (net deficit), we must be extra careful.

However if a loan can be made in home currency, like what Japan is doing (the Yen denominated loan), creditor has slightly better control of the situation. Japan has won a very favorable term in this regard.

 

[hirobo2]

I actually laughed when Japan made a big deal out of such a low income market. But that wasn't the funny part. India demanded Japan loan them most of the financing money.

I say, let Japan have India, and let China have the untapped world.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Its not really a joke, nor is it a laughing matter or something to gloat about, my friend. It requires our matured analysis and positioning. India, like much of the developing world, is in need and they have gaps in their civil and health sectors. There are plenty of opportunities to build upon such areas of want, and that requires international as well as domestic investment.

The promise of India lies on her vibrant population, their work ethic, and the various potential(s) that the Indian labor force brings to the table.

Remind you to consider that there are pros and cons to any market; I would caution you to focus also on the pros , and put less emphasis on the cons (tho it is important not to ignore these variables).

China, as a major trading partner of India's, should look to bolster relations with India by increasing joint production projects, cultural trade, commercial activities and a plethora of confidence building measures. The potential for India and China is immense. It is all about rising above geopolitical differences, my friend.

Very true there are pros and cons with every opportunities, let's agree to disagree on different market appraisals, that's actually a good foundation for segregation of markets my friend!

With limited capacity (large home market can be viewed as a baggage in this regard) to tackle the huge global shortfall in infrastructure, China has to sort out priorities. Key priorities for China are markets in geopolitically favorable location (OBOR), abundance of natural resources, low financial risks (income level, credit/debt position), depth of economic integration, etc. Otherwise deals should always be purely transactional, no long term involvement.

If segragation of market is practiced, China should stay away from markets like India, Philippines & N America, all the best bro!

 

[Great Sachin]

Sometimes i wonder whether some of you guys are really blind or just having amnesia. You did not specifically mention China's economy but definitely referring to mass financial loss because projects would be given to foreign competitor(s) due to bad relations and that means not good for Chinese economy, why else would you say it's gonna hurt us? Another Indian wrote China is an export driven economy and it is hurting us for not having good ties. Really you guys think it's all about India don't you? It's as if China can't do without India when we can sell and build on a global scale. We don't need to build infrastructure for India.

I just made a comment...try to respect others point of view also....

 

[Echo_419]

Still waiting for my Link @AndrewJin ?
Do you have a link in Taiwanese or Chinese for your claims on Taiwanese HSR ?

@Nihonjin1051 since Japan supplied Taiwan with HSR,i think you to should have right to know

 

[AndrewJin]

Still waiting for my Link @AndrewJin ?
Do you have a link in Taiwanese or Chinese for your claims on Taiwanese HSR ?

@Nihonjin1051 since Japan supplied Taiwan with HSR,i think you to should have right to know

U can search for Chinese, there are various articles on it.
魏峰：台湾高铁为什么濒临破产
Japan has made a hell lot of money from a failed project, Nihonpeoplei should be proud of it.

in Taiwanese

There is not a written language called Taiwanese.
lol
@TaiShang 寫點台灣字給三兒看吧

 

[Echo_419]

U can search for Chinese, there are various articles on it.
魏峰：台湾高铁为什么濒临破产
Japan has made a hell lot of money from a failed project, Nihonpeoplei should be proud of it.
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There is not a written language called Taiwanese.
lol
@TaiShang 寫點台灣字給三兒看吧

I mean Taiwanese version of Chinese

 

[AndrewJin]

I mean Taiwanese version of Chinese

It's called traditional Chinese, jesus.

 

[Echo_419]

U can search for Chinese, there are various articles on it.
魏峰：台湾高铁为什么濒临破产
Japan has made a hell lot of money from a failed project, Nihonpeoplei should be proud of it.
View attachment 281612 View attachment 281613View attachment 281616View attachment 281615View attachment 281614


There is not a written language called Taiwanese.
lol
@TaiShang 寫點台灣字給三兒看吧

What i found from your link

However, due to excessive reliance on sources of funding loans, Taiwan High Speed Rail from the beginning to carry a heavy debt burden, at the start of operating assets and liabilities rate has exceeded 80 percent, up to today's situation is buried deep foreshadowing.

Indian HSR project will not end up in failure becuz of the generous terms of finance(The main reason for the Taiwanese HSR's failure was heavy private funding) & the problem of 'charging to much for maintenance' will not be repeated with India since we will get substantial TOT with this deal

It's called traditional Chinese, jesus.

I meant that only