Rafale fighters may have to wait more to join IAF

[Windjammer]

The 36 Rafale fighters which the Modi Government had decided to purchase off the shelf from France, may take some more time to fly into the country despite the Defence Ministry giving a go ahead to the Defence Acquisition Committee to expedite the negotiations.

”There are still so many nitty gritties of the deal which needed to be sorted out, so no timeline could be given,” sources in the French Embassy said here today.

That was the reason that the proposed stopover-visit of the Defence Minister of France was shelved at the last moment as the stage that would require his presence had not been reached yet.

According to sources, it is the offset clause over which the French are feeling uncomfortable

Under the off-set policy, first introduced as part of the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) of 2005, a foreign company has to invest back a part of the deal into India.

But the 50 per cent offset clause was part of the now scrapped tender for 126 Multi role Combat Aircraft, most of which were to be built in India by Hindustan Aeronautics.

However, the negotiations could not make much progress due to the differences overtransfer of technology and price issues, which finally led the Government to go in forpurchase of a smaller scale.

The decision to buy off the shelf was taken as a take away of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to France in April this year. Moreover, the India Air Force was in dire need of theseaircraft as its strength had been depleting over the years with older aircraft being grounded without the new coming to replace them.

Rafale fighters may have to wait more to join IAF - IBC World News

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Windjammer

That is because a LARGER deal is also being negotiated

After the 36 ; we will need more planes

So who will make them ; it will be a Dassault LED consortium

But the whole deal must be written down now

 

[GURU DUTT]

The 36 Rafale fighters which the Modi Government had decided to purchase off the shelf from France, may take some more time to fly into the country despite the Defence Ministry giving a go ahead to the Defence Acquisition Committee to expedite the negotiations.

”There are still so many nitty gritties of the deal which needed to be sorted out, so no timeline could be given,” sources in the French Embassy said here today.

That was the reason that the proposed stopover-visit of the Defence Minister of France was shelved at the last moment as the stage that would require his presence had not been reached yet.

According to sources, it is the offset clause over which the French are feeling uncomfortable

Under the off-set policy, first introduced as part of the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) of 2005, a foreign company has to invest back a part of the deal into India.

But the 50 per cent offset clause was part of the now scrapped tender for 126 Multi role Combat Aircraft, most of which were to be built in India by Hindustan Aeronautics.

However, the negotiations could not make much progress due to the differences overtransfer of technology and price issues, which finally led the Government to go in forpurchase of a smaller scale.

The decision to buy off the shelf was taken as a take away of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to France in April this year. Moreover, the India Air Force was in dire need of theseaircraft as its strength had been depleting over the years with older aircraft being grounded without the new coming to replace them.

Rafale fighters may have to wait more to join IAF - IBC World News

jammer bhaiya ji its nothing but a dassult sponserred PR campain done by paid presstitutes to speed up the negociation and that too in dssaults favour .... nothing more nothing less

as for the actual deal chances are rafale deal is very much on but numbers might shrink (not more than current strenth of M2Ks in IAF)

 

[Paksanity]

@Windjammer

That is because a LARGER deal is also being negotiated

After the 36 ; we will need more planes

So who will make them ; it will be a Dassault LED consortium

But the whole deal must be written down now

Still a believer?

 

[!eon]

Seems Putin's SU-35 troll is working.

 

[Bang Galore]

@Windjammer

That is because a LARGER deal is also being negotiated

After the 36 ; we will need more planes

So who will make them ; it will be a Dassault LED consortium

But the whole deal must be written down now

Err....who's paying for this larger deal? I wish people stop talking about some "larger deal", we are still arguing over the smaller one.... The cost of these planes is extremely prohibitive, too many people behave as if money is no object & throw out figures like 126, 189 etc. Nobody knows what the future will hold but to think of a larger deal now with the finances available would be laughable.

 

[Windjammer]

Still a believer?

It's a free pass to.......

 

[knight11]

Still a believer?

Yep its 189 total in number with upto 36+36 in flyaway and rest by HAL.

It's a free pass to.......

Picture speaks better than words but still that would be over kill

BEGGARS CAN NEVER BE THE CHOOSERS

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Err....who's paying for this larger deal? I wish people stop talking about some "larger deal", we are still arguing over the smaller one.... The cost of these planes is extremely prohibitive, too many people behave as if money is no object & throw out figures like 126, 189 etc. Nobody knows what the future will hold but to think of a larger deal now with the finances available would be laughable.

The cost went beyond control when HAL was in the picture
AND when OFFSETS were an issue

The recent SOFTENING of our position regarding offsets is a CLEAR
indicator that the first priority is a Sufficient number of planes

Squadron strength comes first everything comes next

 

[GURU DUTT]

Err....who's paying for this larger deal? I wish people stop talking about some "larger deal", we are still arguing over the smaller one.... The cost of these planes is extremely prohibitive, too many people behave as if money is no object & throw out figures like 126, 189 etc. Nobody knows what the future will hold but to think of a larger deal now with the finances available would be laughable.

you nailed it sir the fly away cost of a rafale is almost the same as that of a FGFA or F-35 and both will come amlost at the same time if the deal is signed today .... thing is rafale will come but not in the number what frenchies want as they have jacked up the price of it irrationalli high

 

[Stephen Cohen]

It's a free pass to.......

Dreams are what you and your compatriots indulge in

JH 7 Then J 10 Then J 11 then SU 35 and finally TWO F 16 is what you get

 

[hussain0216]

So whats the count now

36 off the shelf

42 from under the shelf

80 from above the shelf

 

[Bang Galore]

The cost went beyond control when HAL was in the picture
AND when OFFSETS were an issue

The recent SOFTENING of our position regarding offsets is a CLEAR
indicator that the first priority is a Sufficient number of planes

Squadron strength comes first everything comes next

Nope. Money comes first. Always.

Anybody who thinks the government will spend some $ 25-30 billion on these planes at the present time is not one for looking at budgets & finances.

 

[ptltejas]

we need to fast it up, Now we are loosing many squardon as our Mig-21 and Mig-27 are gonna retire.

 

[GURU DUTT]

So whats the count now

36 off the shelf

42 from under the shelf

80 from above the shelf

more like 36 now and 18+18 later and thats it