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Immigration Opposition caused more than IS and terrorism | Helge Lurås
HELGE LURÅS, HEAD, CENTRE FOR INTERNATIONAL AND STRATEGIC ANALYSIS (SISA)
UPDATED: 03.AUG.2016 10:36
PUBLISHED: 02.AUG.2016 9:15 P.M.

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Even relatively "tiny differences" can have major effects on the number of immigrants coming to the country.

The split that occurred in Norway on immigration and Islam, is unfortunate and a unified approach should certainly be objective forward. But it is far forward. For we are not talking about "small, internal, Norwegian disagreements" or "tiny political disagreements within the liberal consensus", so Henrik Thune writes in an article Monday .

The level of immigration from Muslim countries will be crucial for European countries' cultural, political and social climate, degree of stability, and freedom of speech and freedom of action for generations to come. And it's not unnecessary alarmism but worrying realism.


Thune seems to think that it's terrorism from IS that has gotten us to go at loggerheads about immigration and Islam. He therefore comes with the familiar trick of the immigration liberals: We must not make the IS will. They will divide us. Now we must stand together!

It is possible there are rose train for multicultural harmony that is here desired revived, this time against IS and Breivik in the same spirit.

Tip of an iceberg
But opposition to immigration occurred long before IS came on in 2014, and it was also a fact before Al-Qaeda-emergence in the 1990s. Immigration from Muslim countries has implications far beyond the dangers of terrorist attacks, and that is immigration skeptics largely unaware of.

For someone coming terrorist attacks just like tip of the iceberg. Others use them more cunning, because it is impossible to argue that the part of the immigration consequences is any enrichment.

Thune is probably so devoted to the "liberal consensus" that he believes it is a reality.

It's probably true that ethnic Norwegians are brought up on a reasonably equal value basis. Therefore, it is timely to ask how such uncompromising fronts could arise about the benefit of ethnic and cultural homogeneity versus immigration and diversity.

But the explanation of it we'll take another time. Now it is sufficient to note that the controversy is there, and that even relatively "tiny differences" can have major effects on the number of immigrants coming to the country.

The differences between Denmark, Norway and Sweden in immigration related issues is instructive in this respect.

opinion pioneers
Immigration skepticism is increasing, and there has been much meaningful climate in Norway since last summer. Immigration Criticism has been "decent" and intellectual spokespeople, and stamping on racism is no longer as unchallenged.

But skepticism about immigration and Islam was formerly a sure path to damnation and brown stamped dog sing from the liberal herd, which Thune think we all belong. Some trodden trail to warn about immigration and Islam, often at great personal, financial and career sacrifices. Most of us were cowardly and kept his mouth shut.

Had not these immigration critical voices expressed themselves and constituted a political force, could Norway quickly been in the same predicament as Sweden.

To change a community's demographics through immigration and then especially from a cultural circle which the West has been in conflict with from and to over 1,400 years is no trifle.

The harsh language responsibility rests essentially the immigration liberals, who have tried to stifle the debate before it could get started.

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Immigration Opposition caused more than IS and terrorism | Helge Lurås
HELGE LURÅS, HEAD, CENTRE FOR INTERNATIONAL AND STRATEGIC ANALYSIS (SISA)
UPDATED: 03.AUG.2016 10:36
PUBLISHED: 02.AUG.2016 9:15 P.M.

  • ad691376-9e40-4a99-80fc-b7f9afaff63b

    PHOTO: Private

Even relatively "tiny differences" can have major effects on the number of immigrants coming to the country.

The split that occurred in Norway on immigration and Islam, is unfortunate and a unified approach should certainly be objective forward. But it is far forward. For we are not talking about "small, internal, Norwegian disagreements" or "tiny political disagreements within the liberal consensus", so Henrik Thune writes in an article Monday .

The level of immigration from Muslim countries will be crucial for European countries' cultural, political and social climate, degree of stability, and freedom of speech and freedom of action for generations to come. And it's not unnecessary alarmism but worrying realism.


Thune seems to think that it's terrorism from IS that has gotten us to go at loggerheads about immigration and Islam. He therefore comes with the familiar trick of the immigration liberals: We must not make the IS will. They will divide us. Now we must stand together!

It is possible there are rose train for multicultural harmony that is here desired revived, this time against IS and Breivik in the same spirit.

Tip of an iceberg
But opposition to immigration occurred long before IS came on in 2014, and it was also a fact before Al-Qaeda-emergence in the 1990s. Immigration from Muslim countries has implications far beyond the dangers of terrorist attacks, and that is immigration skeptics largely unaware of.

For someone coming terrorist attacks just like tip of the iceberg. Others use them more cunning, because it is impossible to argue that the part of the immigration consequences is any enrichment.

Thune is probably so devoted to the "liberal consensus" that he believes it is a reality.

It's probably true that ethnic Norwegians are brought up on a reasonably equal value basis. Therefore, it is timely to ask how such uncompromising fronts could arise about the benefit of ethnic and cultural homogeneity versus immigration and diversity.

But the explanation of it we'll take another time. Now it is sufficient to note that the controversy is there, and that even relatively "tiny differences" can have major effects on the number of immigrants coming to the country.

The differences between Denmark, Norway and Sweden in immigration related issues is instructive in this respect.

opinion pioneers
Immigration skepticism is increasing, and there has been much meaningful climate in Norway since last summer. Immigration Criticism has been "decent" and intellectual spokespeople, and stamping on racism is no longer as unchallenged.

But skepticism about immigration and Islam was formerly a sure path to damnation and brown stamped dog sing from the liberal herd, which Thune think we all belong. Some trodden trail to warn about immigration and Islam, often at great personal, financial and career sacrifices. Most of us were cowardly and kept his mouth shut.

Had not these immigration critical voices expressed themselves and constituted a political force, could Norway quickly been in the same predicament as Sweden.

To change a community's demographics through immigration and then especially from a cultural circle which the West has been in conflict with from and to over 1,400 years is no trifle.

The harsh language responsibility rests essentially the immigration liberals, who have tried to stifle the debate before it could get started.

On Twitter: @helgeluras

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since when Muslims became a race ?
 
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The comment field is in norwegian, it isnt possible to translate it with translate.google.com, i just wanted to share with fellow collegues on this forum situation from Europe towards immigrants and muslims specially.

The comment field , where the newspaper readers have the chance to comment reflect the anti immigrant and anti muslim climate in this part of the world.

The comment field is full with comments full of hatered and propoganda. But fully accepted ....
 
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World is not buying this propaganda anymore.
They can clearly see who is slitting whose throats shouting their gods name.
 
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World is not buying this propaganda anymore.
They can clearly see who is slitting whose throats shouting their gods name.

World has recently seen who is killing people in attempting their "coup" and who is backing them.
World has also seen who is bombing innocent people and have killed more than a million in the name of "democracy".
World has also seen who is killing people in the name of "supremacy".
World has also seen who has killed millions of jews in the name of "Nazism"
World has also seen who has nuked innocent people, in the name of "freedom".

But the thing my friend is, world is hypocrite.
 
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World is not buying this propaganda anymore.
They can clearly see who is slitting whose throats shouting their gods name.
With swords provided by NATO...why do you fail to mention this?
 
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Racism? Just logical preemptive tasks.

I expect my government to care for our security. And we know who the enemy is.
 
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Yeah , lets agree with the fact westerns are racist. But in that case why go to the western countries at all ? Islamists / islamic countries follow discrimination and bias of highest order. They should stop being hypocrites and look into their own countries before accusing others.
 
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Yeah , lets agree with the fact westerns are racist. But in that case why go to the western countries at all ?

Yes. Why do Muslims want to immigrate to racist nations? It makes no sense. Why not make the enlightened and thriving Dar al Islam an even more perfect place? Leave the "racist" nations to stew in their own juices until Allah sends them to hell .. (Please!)
 
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Islamists / islamic countries follow discrimination and bias of highest order.

The amount of discrimination and racism, sponsored by the state in Islamic countries is telling.
What is also telling is the muslims on pdf complaining about racism on them from west, completely ignoring the elephant in the room - the state sponsored racism in Islamic countries.
 
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Few points need clarifying.

(1) Muslim's are not a race.
(2) There indeed is racism in the West. It is directed at those with surplus melanin.
(3) On that score Indian's get shafted as much (if not more) so I have no idea why they are shaking their heads here.There is entire thread dedicated to "fuc*king rats" (Indians) which exposes how Indian's get treated.

Link > https://defence.pk/threads/difficul...-it-our-own-classism-shown-back-to-us.442911/

Racism is wrong but let's be honest we all say silly things sometimes. However what matters is the laws, the institutions and how they function in regards to minorities. I can certainly say with honesty that UK treats it's minorities better than Pakistan does. This is not even worth debating over. I can't say the same for some other European countries who only were only lately "civilized".
 
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(1) Muslim's are not a race.
(2) There indeed is racism in the West. It is directed at those with surplus melanin.
(3) On that score Indian's get shafted as much (if not more) so I have no idea why they are shaking their heads here.There is entire thread dedicated to "fuc*king rats" (Indians) which exposes how Indian's get treated.

No one is denying the existence of racism sir. When you have millions of people living together, you get all sorts. Some straight, some gay, some Christians, some atheists, few racists and so on...
What differentiates west from the middle east if the presence of ways to counter racism in west using law and non existence of the same in the other one. In fact there are countries whose govts takes part in racism.

We are only pointing to the hypocrisy of a section shouting racism, when this section is glad to institutionalize racism in their countries.
 
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