Race with highest IQ: Inferring from Intel Prize

[Keel]

Again you are telling a lie Chinese as usual. How can @Lux de Veritas be an Indian when he is not writing even one comment about the unparalleled genocides i China but will write 1000 comments even if one Dalit is killed in India????? Same trait is shared by you with respect to any "Mongoloid" killed in India while you Chinese can get away with killing millions and sponsoring genocides in Cambodia and North Korea. Right na????

Are you not the one who regularly accuses Pakistanis who hate China of being Indian saying that all pure Pakistanis love China while you yourself parrot the words of Islamo-fascists on this site as far as those are anti-Indian and not against China??

We know you are blessed on this site.

You comment is off topic but there are some serious accusaions on China about "genocide(s)" that are untrue.
You may start a thread on that but I am not continuing this debate any further than this posting here

 

[Speeder 2]

Lux de Vertias is the most anti-Chinese member on this forum. Like he said himself, the majority of his negative ratings came from me, for his personal attacks and abuse against Chinese people here.

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take it easy, dragon. me thinks that you might have overreacted.

the most anti-chinese member in pdf? atawolf guy, for one just off the top of my head, would easily make LdV look like a UN ambassdor of peace.

Mongloids can only act tough on internet, I came to this conclusion after visiting SE Asia and HK.

don't you ever confuse politeness and good manners with soft.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Again you are telling a lie Chinese as usual. How can @Lux de Veritas be an Indian when he is not writing even one comment about the unparalleled genocides i China but will write 1000 comments even if one Dalit is killed in India????? Same trait is shared by you with respect to any "Mongoloid" killed in India while you Chinese can get away with killing millions and sponsoring genocides in Cambodia and North Korea. Right na????

Are you not the one who regularly accuses Pakistanis who hate China of being Indian saying that all pure Pakistanis love China while you yourself parrot the words of Islamo-fascists on this site as far as those are anti-Indian and not against China??

We know you are blessed on this site.

These PRC here denied Great Leap Forward and Mao's killings. I expose them all.

I do not really feel too hard about the insults of these PRC as they look suspiciously like professional commenters from state intel.

I am a regular visitor in PRC forum including Tiexue and PRC there often attack CPC and PRC. The crime of CPC are expose by very savvy PRC commenters and the state Intel can only resolve to censoring -- unlike in PDF.

In PDF, anyone who attack PRC and CPC leaders soon got overwhelm by a barrage of neutralization fire from other PRCs. There are very few PRC and CPC savvy people who can lend me support fire.

I support good.

If China do good, I support, if China do bad, I point out.

 

[terranMarine]

These PRC here denied Great Leap Forward and Mao's killings. I expose them all.

I do not really feel too hard about the insults of these PRC as they look suspiciously like professional commenters from state intel.

I am a regular visitor in PRC forum including Tiexue and PRC there often attack CPC and PRC. The crime of CPC are expose by very savvy PRC commenters and the state Intel can only resolve to censoring -- unlike in PDF.

In PDF, anyone who attack PRC and CPC leaders soon got overwhelm by a barrage of neutralization fire from other PRCs. There are very few PRC and CPC savvy people who can lend me support fire.

I support good.

If China do good, I support, if China do bad, I point out.

You also point out you don't lie and yet when i exposed your ridiculous advice you denied. So who is the liar here?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Where do these kids find "all professors/graduate students/engineers" in high schools level?

Your professor was making serious conjectures. I am not ruling out there are such ample or "excessive" assistance to some of the candidates but to have made the claim that "there is no way ...almost certain" may be overboard.

There seems to be a consistant ethnicity patterns of the semi-finalists, finalists and winners since the inception of the contest. Judging from their last names, the largest no of these students in the lots seems to be ethnic Chinese and S Asians

However if what your professor said was indeed true then the "Intel Talent Search" organisers have to think about fixing the rules to prevent the situation from happening

look, there are some things that can be solved with pure intelligence, and some things that cannot be. There were alot of submissions in things like lasers, photovoltaics or energy storage that require huge background knowledge, experience and equipment that high school students simply cannot handle and has nothing to do with intelligence. The winners of this years contest were mostly pretty reasonable (2 were software) but one, the electrochemistry one, was something that the student had significant help on, since even knowing what to test in an electrochemistry experiment requires background and is confusing for even graduate students.

I support good.

You don't get to state what is good or bad. That is not how debate works. Debate works from the premise that neither side is right and you have to give evidence. You don't work from that premise, thus, nobody shows you respect.

 

[Keel]

look, there are some things that can be solved with pure intelligence, and some things that cannot be. There were alot of submissions in things like lasers, photovoltaics or energy storage that require huge background knowledge, experience and equipment that high school students simply cannot handle and has nothing to do with intelligence. The winners of this years contest were mostly pretty reasonable (2 were software) but one, the electrochemistry one, was something that the student had significant help on, since even knowing what to test in an electrochemistry experiment requires background and is confusing for even graduate students..

I am not commenting the abilitities of the high achievers based on one challenge or several hi-performers but on many and in general observaions and also the consistently great performance of certain ethnicities over the years. Second, where to find such large number of help from professors/ PhD assistants as claimed to over a hundred of candidates at high school level who manage to reach the advanced rounds of competitions? Third, "almost impossible" blah blah .. come on, give me a break. Please tell you prior professor of how to write caveats before discrediting hard on someone's achievements

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I am not commenting the abilitities of the high achievers based on one challenge or several hi-performers but on many and in general observaions and also the consistently great performance of certain ethnicities over the years. Second, where to find such large number of help from professors/ PhD assistants as claimed to over a hundred of candidates at high school level who manage to reach the advanced rounds of competitions? Third, "almost impossible" blah blah .. come on, give me a break. Please tell you prior professor of how to write caveats before discrediting hard on someone's achievements

Lol aight. You can believe that 18 year olds have reached the level of graduate students with years of training and have solved problems that have puzzled experienced engineers for decades. Notice where most of these contestants live: mostly Silicon Valley, NYC and LA in the US. Notice anything about how there's alot of famous universities in these areas? If it was purely intelligence, then the geographic distribution of the contestants shouldn't matter.

 

[Keel]

Lol aight. You can believe that 18 year olds have reached the level of graduate students with years of training and have solved problems that have puzzled experienced engineers for decades. Notice where most of these contestants live: mostly Silicon Valley, NYC and LA in the US. Notice anything about how there's alot of famous universities in these areas? If it was purely intelligence, then the geographic distribution of the contestants shouldn't matter.

I didnt claim or praise all of them but it was your quote from your previous professor who had sweeping denial of the talents
I have reservations but I believe true talents do show up more than your professors denial and consistantly over a long period within one or two ethnic groups in the contests

If they have such a large amount of doubt over the genuine performance of the high achievers then the organisers should have shut the competition down and channelled the resources to university level researches

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I didnt claim or praise all of them but it was your quote from your previous professor who had sweeping denial of the talents
I have reservations but I believe true talents do show up more than your professors denial and consistantly over a long period within one or two ethnic groups in the contests

If they have such a large amount of doubt over the genuine performance of the high achievers then the organisers should have shut the competition down and channelled the resources to university level researches

k, you dont seem to realize the purpose of these competitions. these in no way replace or even compliment university or corporate research. the purpose of these competitions is not to actually show off original research or inventions.

 

[Keel]

k, you dont seem to realize the purpose of these competitions. these in no way replace or even compliment university or corporate research. the purpose of these competitions is not to actually show off original research or inventions.

Never mind
The compeition is to explore the potentials, to stimulate and to encourage the students' interest in science and tech anyway. They are not aiming to screen for Nobel Prize winners
What I mean is if the organisers have spent, say $5 mil on the event and if they find it not achieving their objectives, they can shut it down and redirect the funding to university researches

 

[Lux de Veritas]

3 Chinese, 3 Indians, 2 Jews, one gentile won this Intel prize 2015.

Teens win big at Intel Science Talent Search | Science News

Run by the nonprofit Society for Science & the Public since 1942, the Science Talent Search is America’s oldest and most prestigious science competition for high school students. Intel Corp. of Santa Clara, Calif., has sponsored the competition since 1998.

Noah Golowich, 17, of Lexington, Mass., received the first place medal for basic research. He developed a proof in a field of mathematics known as Ramsey theory. It focuses on finding patterns in large and complicated systems.

Andrew Jin, 17, of San Jose, Calif., won the first place medal for global good. He developed an original algorithm to comb through genetic data and identify tiny changes in a person’s complete set of genetic instructions. Such mutations can play a role in disease. Identifying the genetic contributions to disease could lead to better diagnostics and treatments.

Michael Winer, 18, of North Bethesda, Md., took home the first place medal for innovation. He studied phonons, the fundamental units of sound. Sound results from the vibration of particles. Winer studied how phonons interact with electrons. His research showed how electrons absorb and emit phonons when bombarded by sound waves.

Winer’s work could be applied to complex atomic structures. One example: superconductors. These are materials that can carry electric currents without resistance. Previously, he won a silver medal at the 2014 International Physics Olympiad. During that competition, he was the highest scoring student from the United States on the theoretical exam.

Three second-place winners each received cash awards of $75,000: Brice Huang, 17, of Princeton Junction, N.J.; Kalia D. Firester, 17, of New York, N.Y.; and Saranesh Prembabu, 17, of San Ramon, Calif.

Three third-place winners each picked up prizes of $35,000: Shashwat Kishore, 18, of West Chester, Pa.; Anvita Gupta, 17, of Scottsdale, Ariz.; and Catherine J. Li, 18, of Orlando, Fla.