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India's IT sector business is essentially driven by low-cost call centers, first-line tech support, simple repetitive code writing, and execution of pre-defined test suites. A typical Indian IT worker is increasingly being called a "cyber coolie" or sometimes a "code coolie", the former term having been coined by an astute Indian columnist Praful Bidwai back in 2003.

India has become the world’s top provider of business-process-outsourcing (BPO) call centers, with revenues nearing $50 billion a year by selling cheap back-office services. The call center revenue constitutes the bulk of India's IT exports.

Harish Trivedi of Delhi University has characterized India's call centers as "brutally exploitative" and its employees as "cyber coolies of our global age, working not on sugar plantations but on flickering screens, and lashed into submission through vigilant and punitive monitoring, each slip in accent or lapse in pretence meaning a cut in wages."

An Indian blogger Siddarth Singh says that "one cannot dispute the fact that our IT industry is at best a glorified labor provider, and our feted “IT Giants” have failed to provide even a single proprietary product which could create waves in the global IT industry (perhaps except Finacle, a banking and finance solution by Infosys, and which is used by a number of MNC banks around the globe).

Siddarth asks the question, "So, what does Indian industry actually excel at?" Then he offers the following answer: "Well, we are the leaders in the so called IT Enabled Services, or ITES. These are basically services such as BPOs, call centers, KPOs etc, which extensively use IT to provide backend and customer services to primarily overseas customers. That our ITES industry is hugely dependent on foreign clients is also not a secret anymore, with hardly any Indian company enlisting the services of such companies".

A recent letter from a Bangalore based Indian IT worker addressed to the editors "The Hindu" newspaper read as follows:

This is how people in the West have started referring to people in developing nations. In the old days, of course, we Indians were referred to as "coolies" because we provided cheap labour. Nowadays, we are being called "cyber coolies".

Why? Because most software companies find it cheaper to get their job done in countries like India and other developing nations. There are many people in the U. S. and Britain who raise a hue and cry when jobs get exported to countries like India — especially jobs related to call centres and the software industry.

The fact that they refer to us as coolies shows that they haven't lost their imperialist outlook....


People and the media are often misled by "R&D" in the name of some of the western companies' locations in Bangalore.

In reality, Bangalore appears to be the code coolie capital of the world...it's not about tech, it's about cheap labor performing low-level tasks at rock-bottom wages. It's just cost arbitrage in the service sector.

I have no doubt there are some smart techies in India doing leading edge high-technology work, but these are exceptions. The overwhelming majority of the so-called IT work in India is call centers or low-level routine software tech support, maintenance, testing, etc. which is widely described as code coolie work. It's mostly about cost arbitrage, not advanced tech.

The call center business in India is unregulated by government, exposing workers to working in small spaces for long hours, close monitoring, and harsh working conditions. This is of considerable concern to some of the call center workers in light of the Bhopal tragedy and its aftermath which are symptomatic of how little Indian democracy cares for its people...be they industrial workers or cyber coolies in bondage who are exploited, held back and their lives totally controlled by foreigners under the "high-tech" and "IT" labels.

Even the identities of call center workers are changed in the same way as were those of the African slaves in the West. They are forced to take on western names and put on fake accents to please their customers in the West for a few bucks. The sad part is that, after over 60 years of independence from the British, some of the Indians still crave western approval and boast about the polls showing high approval ratings of India in the US. It shows that Indians' mental slavery after "globalization" is much more powerful than the physical slavery they endured for over a thousand years.

There are reports that some of the cyber coolies of India are beginning to revolt, according to the Times of London. They are creating “e-unions” and are planning to target British and American clients in a campaign to improve their working conditions.

Some of them are now protesting over low pay and aggressive management that will not negotiate with traditional trade unions, according to the Times story.

Instead of appealing to the deaf ears of Indian government or unresponsive managements of Indian-owned BPO firms, their strategy is to approach their British and American clients for support. Those who refuse may face a sabotage campaign by the same workers who have helped cut their costs.

Haq's Musings: Indian IT Sweatshops Exploiting Cyber Coolies?
 
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India's IT sector business is essentially driven by low-cost call centers, first-line tech support, simple repetitive code writing, and execution of pre-defined test suites. A typical Indian IT worker is increasingly being called a "cyber coolie" or sometimes a "code coolie", the former term having been coined by an astute Indian columnist Praful Bidwai back in 2003.

India has become the world’s top provider of business-process-outsourcing (BPO) call centers, with revenues nearing $50 billion a year by selling cheap back-office services. The call center revenue constitutes the bulk of India's IT exports.

Harish Trivedi of Delhi University has characterized India's call centers as "brutally exploitative" and its employees as "cyber coolies of our global age, working not on sugar plantations but on flickering screens, and lashed into submission through vigilant and punitive monitoring, each slip in accent or lapse in pretence meaning a cut in wages."

An Indian blogger Siddarth Singh says that "one cannot dispute the fact that our IT industry is at best a glorified labor provider, and our feted “IT Giants” have failed to provide even a single proprietary product which could create waves in the global IT industry (perhaps except Finacle, a banking and finance solution by Infosys, and which is used by a number of MNC banks around the globe).

Siddarth asks the question, "So, what does Indian industry actually excel at?" Then he offers the following answer: "Well, we are the leaders in the so called IT Enabled Services, or ITES. These are basically services such as BPOs, call centers, KPOs etc, which extensively use IT to provide backend and customer services to primarily overseas customers. That our ITES industry is hugely dependent on foreign clients is also not a secret anymore, with hardly any Indian company enlisting the services of such companies".

A recent letter from a Bangalore based Indian IT worker addressed to the editors "The Hindu" newspaper read as follows:

This is how people in the West have started referring to people in developing nations. In the old days, of course, we Indians were referred to as "coolies" because we provided cheap labour. Nowadays, we are being called "cyber coolies".

Why? Because most software companies find it cheaper to get their job done in countries like India and other developing nations. There are many people in the U. S. and Britain who raise a hue and cry when jobs get exported to countries like India — especially jobs related to call centres and the software industry.

The fact that they refer to us as coolies shows that they haven't lost their imperialist outlook....


People and the media are often misled by "R&D" in the name of some of the western companies' locations in Bangalore.

In reality, Bangalore appears to be the code coolie capital of the world...it's not about tech, it's about cheap labor performing low-level tasks at rock-bottom wages. It's just cost arbitrage in the service sector.

I have no doubt there are some smart techies in India doing leading edge high-technology work, but these are exceptions. The overwhelming majority of the so-called IT work in India is call centers or low-level routine software tech support, maintenance, testing, etc. which is widely described as code coolie work. It's mostly about cost arbitrage, not advanced tech.

The call center business in India is unregulated by government, exposing workers to working in small spaces for long hours, close monitoring, and harsh working conditions. This is of considerable concern to some of the call center workers in light of the Bhopal tragedy and its aftermath which are symptomatic of how little Indian democracy cares for its people...be they industrial workers or cyber coolies in bondage who are exploited, held back and their lives totally controlled by foreigners under the "high-tech" and "IT" labels.

Even the identities of call center workers are changed in the same way as were those of the African slaves in the West. They are forced to take on western names and put on fake accents to please their customers in the West for a few bucks. The sad part is that, after over 60 years of independence from the British, some of the Indians still crave western approval and boast about the polls showing high approval ratings of India in the US. It shows that Indians' mental slavery after "globalization" is much more powerful than the physical slavery they endured for over a thousand years.

There are reports that some of the cyber coolies of India are beginning to revolt, according to the Times of London. They are creating “e-unions” and are planning to target British and American clients in a campaign to improve their working conditions.

Some of them are now protesting over low pay and aggressive management that will not negotiate with traditional trade unions, according to the Times story.

Instead of appealing to the deaf ears of Indian government or unresponsive managements of Indian-owned BPO firms, their strategy is to approach their British and American clients for support. Those who refuse may face a sabotage campaign by the same workers who have helped cut their costs.

Haq's Musings: Indian IT Sweatshops Exploiting Cyber Coolies?

Well you have not worked in any IT industry. Thats all it says.

Only one word jealousy :rofl::rofl::rofl:



The jealous are troublesome to others, but a torment to themselves

~William Penn, Some Fruits of Solitude, 1693



 
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Sinking to new lows Riaz... ??

I consult for one of these sweat shops you mentioned above in marketing and Operations. Havent seen any clients getting worried or concerned about the so called e Uniions or the employees approaching them about the issues you mentioned above.

One concern they do have though when we decide the location of their delivery center, is the distance from Pakistan. Some of our clients have a minimum requirement of 400 Km. Wonder why ? :azn:


PS: Will do you well if you go and read something about the IT work in India on a more factual and updated site like a Gartner.
 
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I am also a distressed member of the COOLIE Club , Bought a Sedan last year and 2 Bedroom Flat in a posh location and promoted to Architect level ignoring 4 - 5 onsite aspirants this year.
 
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Haa this time its about IT. And as expected it has been labeled as coolies and been equated to slavery in Africa.

This guy is a serious joker.

He should have added the slavery empire is fast expanding and has been taking over US based It companies and these slave producing companies will make more slaves in coming years and whole word will be slaves.


God save him.
 
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One concern they do have though when we decide the location of their delivery center, is the distance from Pakistan. Some of our clients have a minimum requirement of 400 Km. Wonder why ? :azn:

Maybe fearing war? Though I can see what you're trying to get at.

The cheap shots here are not welcome and should be reserved for BR. Mods, please take note of this post.
 
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One concern they do have though when we decide the location of their delivery center, is the distance from Pakistan. Some of our clients have a minimum requirement of 400 Km. Wonder why ? :azn:

Very interesting. There were widespread reports and several newspaper articles suggesting that western companies who had outsourced operations to the sub-continent were quite panicked by the last Pakistan-India military standoff. Some of the executives at these companies apparently asked the State Dept. to intervene also.

I guess the 400Km requirement is outdated. Initially, it may have served as an attempt to keep their delivery centers safe in case of a conflict. But the reality is that if a conflict were to break out no city in either country would be safe. I would assume the textile industry in Faisalabad would be on the target list, and as per statements from retired Pakistan Army officers, I would similarly assume that IT centers in India would be eliminated. Even if they are more than 400Km away.

The best approach for large western companies who do have operations in the sub continent is to help - directly and indirectly - promote a solution to the Pakistan-India dispute so that real stability is restored in the region. Companies like GE have done this in the past and more should join the cause...
 
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Maybe fearing war?

The cheap shots here are not welcome and should be reserved for BR. Mods, please take note of this post.

You can look at just one side of things cant you?

And regarding the outsourcing strategy , I will tell you what Karan is saying is not wrong. Cant give you my source but diligent search on net will get some information on that.
 
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Very interesting. There were widespread reports and several newspaper articles suggesting that western companies who had outsourced operations to the sub-continent were quite panicked by the last Pakistan-India military standoff. Some of the executives at these companies apparently asked the State Dept. to intervene also.

I guess the 400Km requirement is outdated. Initially, it may have served as an attempt to keep their delivery centers safe in case of a conflict. But the reality is that if a conflict were to break out no city in either country would be safe. I would assume the textile industry in Faisalabad would be on the target list, and as per statements from retired Pakistan Army officers, I would similarly assume that IT centers in India would be eliminated. Even if they are more than 400Km away.

The best approach for large western companies who do have operations in the sub continent is to help - directly and indirectly - promote a solution to the Pakistan-India dispute so that real stability is restored in the region. Companies like GE have done this in the past and more should join the cause...

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Indian IT centers ar mix of Indian companies as well as captive centers of US , European and other countries employing Thousands expats. How r you going to discriminate among those. Trust me they are not such a smart targets.
 
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Sinking to new lows Riaz... ??

I consult for one of these sweat shops you mentioned above in marketing and Operations. Havent seen any clients getting worried or concerned about the so called e Uniions or the employees approaching them about the issues you mentioned above.

One concern they do have though when we decide the location of their delivery center, is the distance from Pakistan. Some of our clients have a minimum requirement of 400 Km. Wonder why ? :azn:


PS: Will do you well if you go and read something about the IT work in India on a more factual and updated site like a Gartner.

Please respect feeling of Topic poster probably he wants to help newly coined Indian coolies.
 
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Please respect feeling of Topic poster probably he wants to help newly coined Indian coolies.

Not many of the "IT coolies" are here in this forum. If he wants to help them, better start an IT education center for freshers in India.

Infact there is heavy need for them right now and companies are on a hiring spree.


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Indian IT centers ar mix of Indian companies as well as captive centers of US , European and other countries employing Thousands expats. How r you going to discriminate among those. Trust me they are not such a smart targets.

Before a war starts western countries will likely conduct a flurry of missions to get their citizens out of India. This is pretty standard in a war zone. By the time a war breaks out one can expect that expats will no longer be present in these centers so there will be no need to discriminate.
 
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Before a war starts western countries will likely conduct a flurry of missions to get their citizens out of India. This is pretty standard in a war zone. By the time a war breaks out one can expect that expats will no longer be present in these centers so there will be no need to discriminate.

These are captive centers of IBM. Oracles, Microsofts, and Googles . Captive centers mean its there property and not contract location like Foxconn. US will not at all happy by this. This will hurt them and I am sure they will do smthing about this.
 
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But why I get a feeling that our neighbors are not at all happy by our IT and outsourcing growth. why not limit our animosity till border disputes and terrorism. Why bothered about others economic activities.
 
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Yes, you are right. They will not be happy, but war is war, and every serious study of outsourcing to India mentions a Pakistan-India war as the worst-case risk. By the way, they weren't happy the last time there was a serious escalation when India moved troops to the border. The management of GE intervened with the State Dept and got the US to pressure both sides to back down. That's what I was trying to say... MNCs should intervene pre-emptively and apply pressure however and wherever possible to get India and Pakistan to settle the issues of disputed territory etc.
 
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