Question for supporters of TLP's actions

[IbnAbdullah]

Aoa

I just have a question for those who are supporting the TLP's protests:

There are two possibilities about her guilt:

1. Either she is guilty of blasphemy, or
2. She is being falsely accused and is innocent of the crime.

In either case, the woman has been adamant about her innocence in court and has repeatedly said she is being falsely accused.

So She isn't continuing to do it EVEN IF she had done it at that time. She has been incarcerated for almost a decade for a crime she may or may not have committed. Even if she had, she spent ten years of her life in a jail cell fearing death may come at any time.

Now that the Supreme court has acquitted her, she may even leave the country.

Now those who support the TLP in their ways: blocking public roads, looting and destroying public property etc, what do they think about the two possibilities (since there were only two actual witnesses who came forward, for the rest it's about believing one person or the other)?

• If she was innocent, and was falsely accused as the SC judgment implies, do you really want that she be killed regardless? Do you think that is what Rasul Allah pbuh would've wanted; an innocent person be killed in his pbuh's name?
• She was guilty and the Supreme Court mistakenly let her walk after doing eight years. Do they not believe in the Yum ul Qiyamah? Do they not believe that Allah knows and she will have to answer for it before Malik e Yaum ad deen?

So either she is innocent or she is pretending to be so, and if she is indeed guilty, then she will have to answer before Allah and will get all that is coming to her.

So why are they causing fitna by burning and looting people's property and blocking public roads? Threatening to start a civil war in a Muslim country? Calling for the murder the Qadis (judges) and doing takfir on the Sipah Salar of the Pakistan's military?

Do they want to hang a innocent woman or do they think Allah will not do Justice on the Day of Judgement?


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[Yaseen1]

Who will stop her if she go abroad and do blasphemy like bhensa group did.west have given awards to these blasphmer openly and there is high possibility she will be used by geert wilders as he is fully supporting her on twitter

 

[valkyr_96]

Who will stop her if she go abroad and do blasphemy like bhensa group did.west have given awards to these blasphmer openly and there is high possibility she will be used by geert wilders as he is fully supporting her on twitter

So you want to kill a person because what she/ he might do in the future? What has anything got to do with geert wilders susar hai tumhara? In fact, people like you gave him the ammunition. There was another guy going around saying Asiya was give some sakharov award but it was not true. If you can't distinguish between Salman Rushdie types and village mentality types then you have no reason to say anything here go out and show your Ishq.

 

[Dubious]

Who will stop her if she go abroad and do blasphemy like bhensa group did.west have given awards to these blasphmer openly and there is high possibility she will be used by geert wilders as he is fully supporting her on twitter

THIS is the most stupid question...

Once she goes its not your business!
She can do whatever she wants not your business...You are neither her mahram nor her friend nor her witness so ALLAH wont question you...

The reason she is going abroad is because look how the people are reacting...YOU people are giving her a reason to seek asylum and win those awards! Had you people not behaved like crazy baboons she wouldnt have reason to believe her life was in danger meaning no ground to seek asylum! Now she has EVERY RIGHT TO cry for her safety and even preach how intolerant a society we are coz we proved it! We showed it...EVERY major media has reported how people with beards are equal to animals! We have pictures, videos of such animals! Cursing the people who were not involved/ cursing her/ cursing the judiciary/ cursing the country! Just showing what kind of animals she will be running away from to preach bad about Pakistan!

So if anything please blame yourself!

Be a man and take part of the blame for showing yourself as a threat so she can get asylum! Coz if you guys didnt behave like animals she would have NO GROUND for asylum seeking as her life wouldnt be in danger!

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Aoa

Who will stop her if she go abroad and do blasphemy like bhensa group did.west have given awards to these blasphmer openly and there is high possibility she will be used by geert wilders as he is fully supporting her on twitter

So you don't really care about her guilt in the blasphemy case, you are just worried about her going abroad and starting a defamation campaign against Islam?

Honest question: what do you think will happen to the image of Islam abroad once she is killed for this? Do you think those hoping to use her against Islam will not be able to turn her into a symbol of 'oppression'?

Most importantly, Do you think your line of reasoning - kill her so she doesn't say anything against Islam in the future - kill her for something she neither has done nor shown any intention to do - is something that RasulAllah pbuh would approve of?

When you look at the life of RasulAllah pbuh, do you think killing innocents was something he approved of or not?

Be honest.


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[Yaseen1]

THIS is the most stupid question...

Once she goes its not your business!
She can do whatever she wants not your business...You are neither her mahram nor her friend nor her witness so ALLAH wont question you...

The reason she is going abroad is because look how the people are reacting...YOU people are giving her a reason to seek asylum and win those awards! Had you people not behaved like crazy baboons she wouldnt have reason to believe her life was in danger meaning no ground to seek asylum! Now she has EVERY RIGHT TO cry for her safety and even preach how intolerant a society we are coz we proved it! We showed it...EVERY major media has reported how people with beards are equal to animals! We have pictures, videos of such animals! Cursing the people who were not involved/ cursing her/ cursing the judiciary/ cursing the country! Just showing what kind of animals she will be running away from to preach bad about Pakistan!

So if anything please blame yourself!

Be a man and take part of the blame for showing yourself as a threat so she can get asylum! Coz if you guys didnt behave like animals she would have NO GROUND for asylum seeking as her life wouldnt be in danger!

Due to poor economic condition such people who do menial jobs for low wages will prefer asylum in u.s or europe for better life and if she get it many others like her will be encouraged to do blasphemy and use it to seek asylum for better living abroad.There were reports that she is earning huge amount for her book which was written by french for her when she was in jail

 

[Dubious]

Due to poor economic condition such people who do menial jobs for low wages will prefer asylum in u.s or europe for better life and if she get it many others like her will be encouraged to do blasphemy and use it to seek asylum for better living abroad.

Whose fault is that?

It is the fault of people for being HYPER SENSITIVE to everything! If Muslims can drink, ministers not know the kalima or surah Ikhlas and read it wrongly on camera and no one gets offended then why get offended when a Non Muslim (who wont even be judged as Muslims) does wrong?

She is ignorant about Prophet, it is not her prophet so like the Jewish woman who had no respect for the prophet threw trash on our prophet but did the prophet ask for her to go to jail? Is throwing trash on the prophet...The flesh and blood a bigger crime or saying something bad about the prophet? But did prophet mind? No he still smiled!

Because ignorant and lacking tolerant people gave these people way out of Pakistan, a way to seek asylum, why wouldnt they? I mean every Pakistani would sit in a container to go abroad! These people found an easier and legal opportunity!

There were reports that she is earning huge amount for her book which was written by french for her when she was in jail

We gave her the opportunity to be famous and now a whole book to write ill about Pakistan and Islam and Pakistanis!

THIS all is our intolerance biting us! IF we dont fix it, it will come back over and over and over!

Blasphemy laws make no sense ESP when Prophet was beaten, thrown trash at, mocked, called crazy and much worse - he did NOTHING of this sort! He didnt tell his supporters to burn camels, houses or call others bad names or curse others! He was a peaceful person ...IF we are his followers we should be peaceful if we cant we are NOT HIS FOLLOWERS!

 

[Imran Khan]

Who will stop her if she go abroad and do blasphemy like bhensa group did.west have given awards to these blasphmer openly and there is high possibility she will be used by geert wilders as he is fully supporting her on twitter

khadim rizvi ko bol ker aik time machine banwa leen

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Aoa

Due to poor economic condition such people who do menial jobs for low wages will prefer asylum in u.s or europe for better life and if she get it many others like her will be encouraged to do blasphemy and use it to seek asylum for better living abroad.There were reports that she is earning huge amount for her book which was written by french for her when she was in jail

Maybe that is all true. However, do you think that is a good enough reason to try to kill her according to the way taught to us by the one sent as Rehmat ul alameen?

Is that a reason sufficient to burn and loot public property and block eoads and spread anarchy?

Be honest.

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[Yaseen1]

Whose fault is that?

It is the fault of people for being HYPER SENSITIVE to everything! If Muslims can drink, ministers not know the kalima or surah Ikhlas and read it wrongly on camera and no one gets offended then why get offended when a Non Muslim (who wont even be judged as Muslims) does wrong?

She is ignorant about Prophet, it is not her prophet so like the Jewish woman who had no respect for the prophet threw trash on our prophet but did the prophet ask for her to go to jail? Is throwing trash on the prophet...The flesh and blood a bigger crime or saying something bad about the prophet? But did prophet mind? No he still smiled!

Because ignorant and lacking tolerant people gave these people way out of Pakistan, a way to seek asylum, why wouldnt they? I mean every Pakistani would sit in a container to go abroad! These people found an easier and legal opportunity!

We gave her the opportunity to be famous and now a whole book to write ill about Pakistan and Islam and Pakistanis!

THIS all is our intolerance biting us! IF we dont fix it, it will come back over and over and over!

Blasphemy laws make no sense ESP when Prophet was beaten, thrown trash at, mocked, called crazy and much worse - he did NOTHING of this sort! He didnt tell his supporters to burn camels, houses or call others bad names or curse others! He was a peaceful person ...IF we are his followers we should be peaceful if we cant we are NOT HIS FOLLOWERS!

There are certain examples also when blasphmer were punished in Presence of Holy Prophet(P.B.U.H) and it is commonly accepted by all sects that blasphmer is punishable to death.After Holy Prophet(P.B.U.H) leave this world we have no authority to forgive blasphmer and have no knowledge of inside of his heart we should only decide on the visible actions and make judgement

 

[Dubious]

There are certain examples also when blasphmer were punished in Presence of Holy Prophet(P.B.U.H) and it is commonly accepted by all sects that blasphmer is punishable to death.

1) there are examples of people being punished BECAUSE they spread fitnah AND did blasphemy not for blasphemy alone
2) during the PRESENCE of Prophet who was given divine knowledge which no one in today's world has and thus killing is killing! Back then ALLAH knew what HE was telling HIS PROPHET! Not any man HIS PROPHET!
3) No, not all sects...ONLY South Asian sub-units! You wont hear such crap in Western world even if they belong to the same sects!

After Holy Prophet(P.B.U.H) leave this world we have no authority to forgive blasphmer and have no knowledge of inside of his heart we should only decide on the visible actions and make judgement

We dont know what is inside his heart THEREFORE we cant judge! We are not GOD...we have no divine intervention!

We have no rights to judge or decide! We have no divine intervention and therefore, CAN NOT JUDGE! Are not allowed to do so...Because if we do so, it will go against Quranic ayah where ALLAH says ONLY HE KNOWS WHAT IS THEIR HEARTS! ONLY HE CAN JUDGE!

We have no rights to judge or decide! ESP when our own Supreme court overturned the verdict!

 

[Yaseen1]

1) there are examples of people being punished BECAUSE they spread fitnah AND did blasphemy not for blasphemy alone
2) during the PRESENCE of Prophet who was given divine knowledge which no one in today's world has and thus killing is killing! Back then ALLAH knew what HE was telling HIS PROPHET! Not any man HIS PROPHET!
3) No, not all sects...ONLY South Asian sub-units! You wont hear such crap in Western world even if they belong to the same sects!


We dont know what is inside his heart THEREFORE we cant judge! We are not GOD...we have no divine intervention!

We have no rights to judge or decide! We have no divine intervention and therefore, CAN NOT JUDGE! Are not allowed to do so...Because if we do so, it will go against Quranic ayah where ALLAH says ONLY HE KNOWS WHAT IS THEIR HEARTS! ONLY HE CAN JUDGE!

We have no rights to judge or decide! ESP when our own Supreme court overturned the verdict!

sc is not Islamic court this is religious matter and should be decided by ulema who have indepth knowledge of Islam.There is also no clear orders of not punishing blasphmer so this is complex issue and Imam Malik R.A had more knowledge and understanding of Holy Quran and Hadees than us he said that blasphmer has no right to live

 

[Mercenary]

Blasphemy Laws need to repealed. These laws are a black mark on Pakistan ever since that moron Zia installed them.

 

[Dubious]

sc is not Islamic court this is religious matter and should be decided by ulema who have indepth knowledge of Islam.

It is not a religious matter...It is common sense...No matter what happens you dont break public property it is loss to the country and its people!

It is common sense no matter what 1 person utters, nothing is going to decrease the respect of our Prophet!
It is common sense no words can harm my Prophet!
It is common sense you need proof and proper witness not contradicting statements from 2 people who cant get their stories right!
It is common sense she served for 8 yrs in jail she has done her time!

There is also no clear orders of not punishing blasphmer so this is complex issue and Imam Malik R.A had more knowledge and understanding of Holy Quran and Hadees than us he said that blasphmer has no right to live

Can you show me such Hadith where he stated kill them?!

When Prophet never allowed killing of people who uttered hatred to him (example of Jewish woman who threw trash on him EVERYDAY) and Prophet didnt ask her head to be removed so who is Imam Malik to allow it?

 

[M. Sarmad]

Imam Malik R.A had more knowledge and understanding of Holy Quran and Hadees than us he said that blasphmer has no right to live

Do you know that as per Maliki Fiqh, Aasia BB, being a woman, cannot be sentenced to death for committing blasphemy?? Do your homework first