Qatar: Talks with Pakistan over Mirage 2000-5s

[waz]

Because they are silly and limited in their approach. Such people learn about defense set up by watching videos like ''Top 10 fighter jets in World'' on youtube. Ask them any slight technical stuff and they will collapse.
It become more funny when these key board warriors call PAF officials and Ministry of Defense as ''dumb'' and ''short sighted''

Lol, you got it one bro. It's all "junk". I could imagine some of these folks in charge, they'd blow the entire budget in one week on a 18 brand new planes.

 

[Blue Marlin]

i cant see why they would need them they have enough mirage lll's and v's to canibalise if needed a new fighter is needed preferably twin engined.

 

[Beethoven]

@Tipu7 if you want to replace delta with delta why dont we go for J 10C instead of going for something which is 1. Old and used and secondly we musnt forget that this is something that our adversary has been using for the past 15 years....in addition to this J 10C offers us something that a Mirage doesnt....which is an AESA radar...so keeping the above points in mind it would be better to go for J 10C instead of old Mirages....

 

[Tipu7]

J10 series has no future in PAF. Its an emergency number which we can dial in case of war but not as regular fighter.
By ''delta'' I meant a specific low profile delta wing air craft. J10 is not low profile aircraft, its more like A F16 with Delta wing configuration.
Plus despite of famous ''AESA"' its not choice of PAF due to its engine. Maintenance costs are high, sortie rate is low. RCS is high.
It has been rejected by our pilots twice.............

@Tipu7 if you want to replace delta with delta why dont we go for J 10C instead of going for something which is 1. Old and used and secondly we musnt forget that this is something that our adversary has been using for the past 15 years....in addition to this J 10C offers us something that a Mirage doesnt....which is an AESA radar...so keeping the above points in mind it would be better to go for J 10C instead of old Mirages....

 

[monitor]

Qatari Mirage 2000-5

Planes are still looks very beautiful, considering the financial constrain face by PAF its seems they are going to get Mirage 2000 fighters from around the world if possible as they did in case of mirage III/IV and give the PAF or may be the PN naval wing a proven platform to deal with until JF-17's development fully complete .most probably if the number hover around 12-20 then this fighter might be for replacing PN's mirage fleet as @Windjamer has express in his opinion . but Pakistan can increase the number they might jooin the PAF too. but only problem is wither france will allow this fighters ends in the hands of Pakistan when they are selling 100+ Rafale to India . they may faced pressure from €India to block the deal

 

[ZedZeeshan]

Planes are still looks very beautiful, considering the financial constrain face by PAF its seems they are going to get Mirage 2000 fighters from around the world if possible as they did in case of mirage III/IV and give the PAF or may be the PN naval wing a proven platform to deal with until JF-17's development fully complete .most probably if the number hover around 12-20 then this fighter might be for replacing PN's mirage fleet as @Windjamer has express in his opinion . but Pakistan can increase the number they might jooin the PAF too. but only problem is wither france will allow this fighters ends in the hands of Pakistan when they are selling 100+ Rafale to India . they may faced pressure from €India to block the deal

France will not have any issue since it will give them opportunity to sell its Rafle to UAE and Qatar.

 

[monitor]

France will not have any issue since it will give them opportunity to sell its Rafle to UAE and Qatar.

but it can also destroy the chance sell large number of Rafale to India .India can buy more Rafale the the middle Eastern country considering their current economic situation and option available to them, but if somehow Pakistan and Qatar UAE manage to final the deal it will give a huge boast to PAF/PN at least for some time .

 

[TOPGUN]

but it can also destroy the chance sell large number of Rafale to India .India can buy more Rafale the the middle Eastern country considering their current economic situation and option available to them, but if somehow Pakistan and Qatar UAE manage to final the deal it will give a huge boast to PAF/PN at least for some time .

France will have no issue with PAF deal with Qatar , Rafale deal with india will have no effect either. I think this is good move by PAF.

 

[Sinnerman108]

but it can also destroy the chance sell large number of Rafale to India .India can buy more Rafale the the middle Eastern country considering their current economic situation and option available to them, but if somehow Pakistan and Qatar UAE manage to final the deal it will give a huge boast to PAF/PN at least for some time .

Hindu-stan has actually decreased the number of planes,
and they haven't ordered the reduced number yet.

Gulf states have hard cash to purchase, with no Make in Gulf stuff.

 

[Paksanity]

Delta should be replaced by Delta.
We are second largest operator of French air crafts so surely its sensible to keep French flavor in our air force in future to come.
M2K is ideal for ground strike mission due to its low profile ..........


Because they are silly and limited in their approach. Such people learn about defense set up by watching videos like ''Top 10 fighter jets in World'' on youtube. Ask them any slight technical stuff and they will collapse.
It become more funny when these key board warriors call PAF officials and Ministry of Defense as ''dumb'' and ''short sighted''

Not sure how to back it up with convincing reasons.

Delta should be replaced with Delta? Why? Who set this rule? Europeans replaced delta with eurocanards. Mirage was replaced with Rafale which is a different design despite the wing shape being similar.

We have been operator of French aircraft no doubt but that does not make it obligatory to procure more aircraft from them. Not just for the sake of it.

F-16 can do everything as good as Mirage-2000 and then some more. It defies logic to add another type just for the sake of it. That does not make economic and logistical sense.

 

[Super Falcon]

J10 series has no future in PAF. Its an emergency number which we can dial in case of war but not as regular fighter.
By ''delta'' I meant a specific low profile delta wing air craft. J10 is not low profile aircraft, its more like A F16 with Delta wing configuration.
Plus despite of famous ''AESA"' its not choice of PAF due to its engine. Maintenance costs are high, sortie rate is low. RCS is high.
It has been rejected by our pilots twice.............

Tips get over it your not buying car so you think of its maintenance cost etc get rid of these stupid justifications

When you are buying something to defend your country you buy best available jets which suits you what MIRAGES can do it can be done by jf 17 why wast money on old rust if I go to your thinking now you say Delta wing than J 10 offers alot than mirages and it's airframe is new not old and J10C equals to F 16 blk 52

top of it J 10 Comes from reliable source French are no more reliable

Tell me do you buy a old jet or new jet in same amount

Why not save the money. For SU 35 Which we lack a counter punch in time of war

If u go for these mirages it means PAF has single type of jets which cannot offer much than what they are

We lack two engine fighter jet when every country has atleast one type of two engine jet all those nations are stupid and most of them don't have any threat but yet they mix the fleet with single and two engine jet with airsuperiority role

UAE RAFALE
OMAN RAFALE
KSA EUROFIGHTER F 15
SINGAPORE F 15
INDONESIA SU 30
INDIA SU 30 RAFALE
CHINA SU 35 J 11 J 15
KUWAIT F 18

there are hundred more but u choose wisely

And don't tell me about our pilots what they think they will tell you we are very well equipped etc

But what happened to well equipped PAF F 16 in kargil war can't face iaf mirages

It shows how stupid. People are running PAF not getting BVR missiles one stupid mistake loosed us war

Today we don't know what we lack when war starts dozen realities will show up how much we lack

India might not have good pilots but IAF has good planners we lack

 

[datalibdaz]

M2000's are solid fighter planes....The good thing if PAF gets its hands on these babies (Both Qatari 5's and UAE 9's) is the options to use the way it likes and integration of different weapons which are not possible with the F-16's. Also if you pay the french some sugar, they would ensure you the parts for the Mirages in a war. French only want dollars and if PAF willing to pay, then operation of M2000's will not be an issue.
Spending a billion dollars on these mirages (12 Qatari and ~50 UAE) would certainly payoff... These are as good as the C,D 52's, Will keep the pressure off the F-16's used in WoT, Will give time for JF-17 to mature and grow in numbers, add an extra puch and will keep the PAF legacy of using delta for low level strike alive....
And i wouldn't mind if some people are making some million in the deal.....it happens all over the world and in each and every defence deal....

 

[Super Falcon]

PAF lost their mind

 

[Tipu7]

Delta should be replaced with Delta? Why? Who set this rule?

Its not rule, it's General requirements.
There is gap of two generations between Mirage 3&5 vs Mirage 2000.
The "basic design" is very much similar but roles are combined.
French developed the "D" version of it for nuclear strike considering Soviet air defense in mind. Something which is very similar to fill fill our demand .....

Europeans replaced delta with eurocanards.

Their requirements changed, not ours.

We have been operator of French aircraft no doubt but that does not make it obligatory to procure more aircraft from them. Not just for the sake of it.

My dear, no surplus F16s are available.
Plus do note that our F16 lack SEAD & stand off capability munition. In case of PAF if we went for advance air to ground package from France then M2K will surpass even our Blk52s in some key aspects.......

 

[CHI RULES]

Not sure how to back it up with convincing reasons.

Delta should be replaced with Delta? Why? Who set this rule? Europeans replaced delta with eurocanards. Mirage was replaced with Rafale which is a different design despite the wing shape being similar.

We have been operator of French aircraft no doubt but that does not make it obligatory to procure more aircraft from them. Not just for the sake of it.

F-16 can do everything as good as Mirage-2000 and then some more. It defies logic to add another type just for the sake of it. That does not make economic and logistical sense.

Can we use our F16s as bombers against India there is a big no, similarly we can only use them for air defense even future upgrades shall be done if allowed by USA. Not same case with Mirages.