PPP and Pakistan Muslim League-N will be unable to impeach President Pervez-Zaradari

[HAIDER]

NEW YORK, Feb 25: Pakistan People’s Party co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari says a coalition of PPP and Pakistan Muslim League-N will be unable to impeach President Pervez Musharraf and, therefore, he will seek a working relationship with the embattled leader.

“The ground reality is that we do not have two-thirds majority in both the houses of parliament” that would be required for a successful impeachment, Mr Zardari told the Wall Street Journal in an interview.

“Our main objective is to work for the smooth transition to democracy,” he said.

The WSJ said that Mr Zardari’s comments were among the most conciliatory to date regarding its intended approach to Mr Musharraf.

The PPP-PML-N pairing has caused concern that the two parties might focus too much on seeking Mr Musharraf’s ouster and not enough on fighting religious militants.

“We want to unify the country, which is facing some very serious challenges,” Mr Zardari said.

“We have to establish democracy and for that we need unity and not confrontation.”

The PPP has not nominated its candidate for the top job of prime minister, but Mr Zardari confirmed that Amin Fahim was the front-runner.

“We will name the candidate when the party is invited to form the government,” he said.Mr Zardari said the PPP government would increase cooperation with the US, adding that Pakistan faced its own threat from extremists.

“We are fighting our own war on terror, rather than the American war on terror,” he said.Mr Zardari said his government wouldn’t talk to the militants, but that it would reach out to the people living in the tribal areas.

“We will take democracy there and political reforms to win the support of the tribesmen.”

Mr Zardari also said that he did not have any intention of becoming prime minister, but would concentrate on party organisation and assist the government.

Though leader of the party, he didn’t seek a seat in parliament in the election. “It is more important to guide the government and the party,” he said.

He also indicated that he might run for a parliamentary seat in a by-election in Ms Bhutto’s constituency in Sindh.

“I will contest the elections if the party decides,” he said.
Asif says he will seek to work with Musharraf -DAWN - Top Stories; February 26, 2008

 

[relent8]

Very interesting this statemet is. But we knew it was coming, afterall NRO was for some reason, and it mite be this one.

"We are fighting our own war on terror, rather than the American war on terror,” he said.

Now this is the sentence, which Musharraf was saying since he came into power, but not many people in Pakistan were ready to understand it,whether due to political parties propaganda or the people's own lack of knowledge.But it was not being understood or accepted by our ppl. They were keen to say "stop fighting america's war on terror" with a knowledgeless looks on their faces.

Now It'll be interesting to see how many people in Pakistan will now suddenly understand this and will start to co-operate with GoP on this issue.

This is called Jihalat.

 

[roadrunner]

Very interesting this statemet is. But we knew it was coming, afterall NRO was for some reason, and it mite be this one.

"We are fighting our own war on terror, rather than the American war on terror,” he said.

Now this is the sentence, which Musharraf was saying since he came into power, but not many people in Pakistan were ready to understand it,whether due to political parties propaganda or the people's own lack of knowledge.But it was not being understood or accepted by our ppl. They were keen to say "stop fighting america's war on terror" with a knowledgeless looks on their faces.

Now It'll be interesting to see how many people in Pakistan will now suddenly understand this and will start to co-operate with GoP on this issue.

This is called Jihalat.

Indeed it is sad if the illiterate people listen to the words of a convicted criminal, yet ignore the words of someone who put his life at risk for his country in several wars.

I'm waiting to see what Mosabja and dabonga say when the PPP led government start bombing targets in the tribal areas, as this was their main complaint against Musharraf.

 

[dabong1]

Indeed it is sad if the illiterate people listen to the words of a convicted criminal, yet ignore the words of someone who put his life at risk for his country in several wars.

I'm waiting to see what Mosabja and dabonga say when the PPP led government start bombing targets in the tribal areas, as this was their main complaint against Musharraf.

As normal your memory serves you short again.....my main complaint about mushy is that he took power by force and is the president without the consent of the people/parliment........
I think i will wait till the PPP/MLN murder a load of people in a masjid before i put them on par with mushy.

 

[dabong1]

Indeed it is sad if the illiterate people listen to the words of a convicted criminal,

But if the same "illiterate people" follow mushy then there fine.

yet ignore the words of someone who put his life at risk for his country in several wars.

Nobody forced him to join the army...that was his career choice......rather be with the "illiterate people" then the educated idiots.

 

[roadrunner]

As normal your memory serves you short again.....my main complaint about mushy is that he took power by force and is the president without the consent of the people/parliment........

How very democratic of you. It's a wonder why you support the undemocratic Taliban really isn't it? Can you call tht selective in the least?

If the main complaint you have is that he took power by force, then what do you say to the alternative that the country default if he did not take power in 1999? You will probably deny it would have defaulted, but it clearly was heading to a debt repayment default with no reserves.

I think i will wait till the PPP/MLN murder a load of people in a masjid before i put them on par with mushy.

Zardari has already called it his war. BB was willing to let American troops onto Pakistani soil. Cuckoo land must be fun this time of year since you think that Zardari would not want strikes on militants hiding away in Mosques. Soon as his government is up and running, you'll see the same procedure as before going on, and then you'll probably re-write your story once again.

 

[roadrunner]

But if the same "illiterate people" follow mushy then there fine.

Yep, you still haven't grasped the definition of a convicted criminal it seems. Convicted criminal = Zardari = Baad.
Musharraf = no convicted criminal = Betttter.

Got it? I can't explain it any simpler.

Nobody forced him to join the army...that was his career choice......rather be with the "illiterate people" then the educated idiots.

One chose to serve his country in war, the other chose to loot his country till default and spend it lavishly on mansions round the world. Noone forced either to do it, yet you somehow turn a blind eye to Zardari's looting. Why is that I wonder?

 

[MOSABJA]

First of all I dont like Zardari at all.I like NS a little bit but that too I am not a die hard lover of him.

I JUST LOVE PEOPLE.

When they have given a chance to someone that let them take it.

If they will disappoint people.People will seal their fate like PML Q.


Coming to the issue of FATA.People have given such a mandate that PPPP will not be able to take SOLO FLIGHT.

They have to take ANP and PML N along with them.

Statements of these parties about FATA.

Asfand yar Wali "FATA problems will be solved through dialogue.If we can negotiate with India then why not with the Talbain.

PML N "pakistan will continue war on terror but killing people indiscriminately is no strategy"

PPPP "Musharraf's strategy on Wot has failed.PPPP will continue Wot but will change the strategy.We will negotiate with the people."

PML Q chauhdry shujaat"Parliament was not taken in confidence onf FATA issue and we will solve it with dialogue."

MQM"Military operation in FATA must be stopped"


so you see all parties in parliament want negotiations and peace ful settlement.


IT WAS ONLY THE MUSH FACTOR THAT MAKE THINGS WRONG.

NO REPRESENTATIVE OF PEOPLE CAN GO TO SUCH AN EXTENT AS MUSHARRAF WHETHER IT BE PPPP,PML N,PML Q,MQM,ANP or MMA.

 

[MOSABJA]

Zardari also said today on GEO.

"If we have the 2/3rd majority in Parliament(NA ,senate combined) then we will come up to the expectations of the people".

Right now they dont have the 2/3 rd.


But when the by- elections will be held on NA 119,NA 207,NA 42,NA 37.
and if the MMA joins in impeachment.
and the recently formed forward block of 6 PML Q senators.

Then they will have the power to impeach president.

Zardari is right .

They dont have the power now.

BUT THEY WILL HAVE IT IN FUTURE.
and
WHEN THEY WILL HAVE IT THEY WILL IMPEACH MUSH

 

[roadrunner]

You're living in a dream world if you think PPP isn't going to go after militants. The same strategy will be carried out as before. Nothing will change. If terrorists are hiding out in a Masjid, either PPP will act, or the Americans will bomb the place and make the PPP look silly. I'm looking forward to the mess PPP are going to make of this situation.

 

[roadrunner]

Zardari also said today on GEO.

"If we have the 2/3rd majority in Parliament(NA ,senate combined) then we will come up to the expectations of the people".

Right now they dont have the 2/3 rd.


But when the by- elections will be held on NA 119,NA 207,NA 42,NA 37.
and if the MMA joins in impeachment.
and the recently formed forward block of 6 PML Q senators.

Then they will have the power to impeach president.

Zardari is right .

They dont have the power now.

BUT THEY WILL HAVE IT IN FUTURE.
and
WHEN THEY WILL HAVE IT THEY WILL IMPEACH MUSH

Perhaps, or Musharraf can just dissolve the National Assembly before that. Look Mr radical, in a year's time, PPP is going to have made so many mistakes, people will be hoping for the day's of Army rule again, and if general elections are held after parliament is dissolved, I'd bet PML-Q do a lot better.

 

[MOSABJA]

22A]

(8) If, after consideration of the result of the investigation, if any, a resolution is passed at the joint sitting by the votes of not less than two-thirds of the total membership of [23][Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)(NA and senate combines)] declaring that the President is unfit to hold the office due to incapacity or is guilty of violating the Constitution or of gross misconduct, the President shall cease to hold office immediately on the passing of the resolution.



To impeach a president joint session of Senate and national assembly is called.
2/3 rd majority of the combined strength of NA and senate approves of the charges.
This means 342 MNAs and 100 Senators will have a joint sitting and out of 442 total members if 2/3rd i.e 292 approve charges .
president shall cease to hold the office.


In parliament if we add the Minority and reserved seats according to formula given
by the constitution.

PPPP = 113 seats
PML N = 85 seats.
ANP = 14 seats.
MMA = 7 seats.
Independents(all of them wil join ruling coalition .Many have already) =27 seats

If you add them the total =245(excluding one seat of Manzoor wato IND from okara)

polls on four NA seats(NA 119 Lahore,NA 207 Larkana,NA 37 kurram,NA 42 South Waziristan)
are delayed.

Out of them NA 119 would surely go PML N.Benazirs NA 207 will go to PPP.
NA 42 wil go to anti mush as it is Mehsued area.NA 47 Kurram is dominated by PPP/


So 245 + these 4 = 249

From senate if you join forward block with opposition it becomes 45 Senators.

249 + 45 = 294.

NOW IN JOINT SESSION THERE WOULD BE 442 MEMs .OUT OF WHICH 2/3 rd is 292.

These 294 are likely to approve .More may join in .

So Impeachment might just succeed. if it is done

 

[MOSABJA]

Perhaps, or Musharraf can just dissolve the National Assembly before that. Look Mr radical, in a year's time, PPP is going to have made so many mistakes, people will be hoping for the day's of Army rule again, and if general elections are held after parliament is dissolved, I'd bet PML-Q do a lot better.

Let me tell yeah.

When they will not indemnify the nov 3 Unconstitutional acts.
Judiciary will be restored.
When it will be restored.
It will take care of the 58 2 B.

Then it will be impeachment.
For which they will get the required votes in future.
Once impeachment notice is issued Pres cant dissolve assemblies.
With in 14 days its over for Musharraf.


THEN
Another forward block will be formed.
58 2b shall be amended.
Lawyers and civil society will close the gate of army for ever.

There will be no 58 2b


THERE WILL BE DEMOCRACY AND RULE OF LAW AND PEOPLE.

 

[HAIDER]

What if Mushi join PPP. Or next President comes from PPP ?....I think 58-2B will be there for next thousand year. lolz

 

[BATMAN]

Indeed it is sad if the illiterate people listen to the words of a convicted criminal, yet ignore the words of someone who put his life at risk for his country in several wars.

I'm waiting to see what Mosabja and dabonga say when the PPP led government start bombing targets in the tribal areas, as this was their main complaint against Musharraf.

Whenever we talk about Zardari we should keep in mind that he is in this position because of the murder of his wife, who was forced upon Pakistan for weakening Musharraf.
Looking at Zardari's past, no one should have any doubts that this guy can do any thing for money. lately he changed the name of his son, fabricated fake will of her wife!, No he is certainly not the right horse to bet. His character makes him threat to national security.
Due to his reputation he will look for unorthodox way to make money. My guess is that he has already collected token money for some dirty mission. Just keep watching him how he proceed in future, what line of action he adopts.

Bombings in Pakistan are mysterious from the motive or lets say objective point of view.
Targets are always carefully choosen and executions are very well engineered, way beyond the skills of an (16 years old!) individual or capacity of Talibans.
It's a conspiracy engineered by a professionals, using selfish politicians. Almost same as what happened in 1974.

The challenge of the new govt. is to make sure our economy keep pace with other Asian economies, impeaching Musharraf does not add to the development by any means.