Post of the day

[S.U.R.B.]

Here is a thread to compile all the gems in one dish.

While browsing the forum if you see any informative,well summarized and logical post, do post them here.

The idea behind is to help newbies and those who can't browse each and every thread from A to Z with lesser time at their disposal.

The Posts can be of today or yesterday. and if any member thinks his post is more worth mentioning ,kindly leave this job to someone else.

Do provide the links(thread or post link) so that other members can follow the on going issue and mention reasons of posting it here, if you like.

I mostly like the posts of Mustan khan ,Jana & Santro.Even if i have seconds to go,i stop there and read them first before i log off.

Here is nice post by Chinese-Dragon.Well summarized.

I think it is positive, for these reasons:

1) The CCP cares most about keeping up the Economic growth, most Chinese feel the same way. That is a thousand times more important than any conflict.

2) A war between China and India will hurt our economic growth, and provide no economic benefits whatsoever.

3) Such a war may escalate into a full-blown nuclear conflict, which will cause mass devastation to both sides. Nobody benefits from that.

So obviously a war is not desirable from any point of view. If there is no war, then why not cooperate? The CCP is already cooperating with India on many issues, I expect this trend to improve in the future.

The only people who would benefit from a new Sino-Indian conflict would be China's enemies in the world, who seek to contain us. Why should we help our enemies by hurting ourselves?

http://www.defence.pk/forums/1157664-post57.html

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Another one.We are fast becoming a paranoid nation.

Hi,

Who says there is a conspiracy----that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

My countrymen---my brethren---young and old---like little children with no experience of the world---everybody is conspiring against them.

Here is what happened----we were riding a wave---we fell off the wave into the rocks---now we are being smashed into the rocks by the surf---. That is all thaere is to it.

The saw pak go down---and everyone who had a grudge against pak, they jumped on the band wagon---and those who didnot have a grudge or were sitting on the sidelines---our actions provoked them to act in an offencive manner.

In the world theatre, there is a game being played---when you play with the grown ups---you got to act like men---.

Aamir Sohail is correct in his assessment regarding the issue.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/1157700-post2.html

 

[friendly_troll96]

Here is a thread to compile all the gems in one dish.

While browsing the forum if you see any informative,well summarized and logical post, do post them here.

The idea behind is to help newbies and those who can't browse each and every thread from A to Z with lesser time at their disposal.

The Posts can be of today or yesterday. and if any member thinks his post is more worth mentioning ,kindly leave this job to someone else.

Do provide the links(thread or post link) so that other members can follow the on going issue and mention reasons of posting it here, if you like.

I mostly like the posts of Mustan khan ,Jana & Santro.Even if i have seconds to go,i stop there and read them first before i log off.

Here is nice post by Chinese-Dragon.Well summarized.




http://www.defence.pk/forums/1157664-post57.html

OMG! I was thinking to start the exact same thread, but you beat me to it.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Are we allowed to link posts for their sheer ironic values?

 

[S.U.R.B.]

OMG! I was thinking to start the exact same thread, but you beat me to it.

No problem brother.This is your own thread.Had i been admin or sth like that.I would have added your name with mine with out anyone noticing it.Although there is no contest going on.But you still have the choice to beat me by becoming the biggest contributor on this thread.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Are we allowed to link posts for their sheer ironic values?

of course, anything that seems suitable.

 

[siegecrossbow]

of course, anything that seems suitable.

Thnx. I think it is only appropriate to post both extremely insightful and extremely idiotic posts.

The insightful one:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/3218-j-10-fc-20-mrca-195.html

pupu said:help me show the picture to Pakistan brother.This is my uncle in Pakistan, a model of the scene after delivery.

The one that is here for ironic values:

Originally Posted by siegecrossbow
In one thread he talks about how China is a military threat and must be stopped while in another he talks about how incapable China is militarily and couldn't possibly threaten others... I don't even know what he wants to get across.

Uh... talks?! Now, you are talking as if I wrote that particular article.

I think I have put my point across several times but some people just don't seem to get it. So, here I'm repeating it... again -

China has long been working on a systematic plan to intimidate and bully its neighbors into giving up key strategic areas such as Arunachal, Senkaku islands and South China Sea.

In some cases (such as Taiwan and Vietnam), it can effectively deploy an aggressive military policy to intimidate its adversary. While in other cases, it is arming other countries in hope of some sought of a proxy conflict with its adversaries (such as Pakistan w.r.t. India and North Korea w.r.t. South Korea and Japan).

And as a consequence, there is a growing feeling among these nations to increase collaboration among themselves and also increasingly involve a foreign power (i.e. the United States) to settle Asian disputes. And this will ultimately lead to an unstable Asia.

Originally Posted by CardSharp
He's terrified of China rise. Fair enough a lot neighbouring countries are, only time and action will prove China's peaceful rise and settle some of the ruffled feathers (and by action I mean real action not the paranoid 'needling' that is so popular a phrase here)

Terrified huh? China is one of the main reasons why so many Asian nations are spending much more on military rather than uplifting the poor. China is one of the main reasons why a non-Asian country is gaining more foothold in Asia. So yeah, I'm "terrified" of this communist country which has absolutely no idea about the long-term consequences of its actions.

Regarding the rest of your comment, an old African proverb comes to mind -
When deeds speak, words are nothing.

China's deeds in the past few years speak far more than terms like "peaceful rise".

Anyways, it's pretty much useless sitting in front of a computer and arguing with someone over the internet regarding the future of Asia. So, good-riddance.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/73932-sino-centric-asia-unlikely-4.html

 

[siegecrossbow]

Ironic post of the day:

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bullying

Bullying is abusive behavior. Teasing, taunting, threatening, stalking, name-calling, making threats, coercion, exclusions.

I see the bullies are at work again. Watch the efforts of the bulllies ganging up on some one. One of the last things they want is a second and honest opinion. When ever they lose an argument the bullying starts again.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...ommittee-approves-china-sanctions-bill-8.html

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Post of the day for me, never seen cabatli_53 so emotional before.BTW i have read his whole post before he edited it.

It is understood that Diaspora Armenians have not understood the Turks' nature yet, When the subject became national interest of own country. They suppose that USA and Russia will save lives of Armenians against Turkish army, Even If they attack on Turkish lands.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/1158203-post103.html

There was some great stuff he just edited.But still it's good to be here.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Post of the day for me, never seen cabatli_53 so emotional before.BTW i have read his whole post before he edited it.



http://www.defence.pk/forums/1158203-post103.html

There was some great stuff he just edited.But still it's good to be here.

He was probably just pushed too far. Everyone here has a breaking point no matter how rational he/she is.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

No other words but to say that the case is closed by taimikhan.

None of the above issues, if Flankers are deemed as dire need and of dire importance, but since they are not and we can have other platforms which can fulfill the requirements of PAF more effectively and efficiently, then why go for Flankers.

If the day comes and we need flankers badly, we will get them, we can very well buy them as well as operate them.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/1160592-post2947.html

 

[siegecrossbow]

No other words but to say that the case is closed by taimikhan.




http://www.defence.pk/forums/1160592-post2947.html

Unfair, you beat me to that one bro ;D.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Unfair, you beat me to that one bro ;D.

i'll leave the next one for you.

 

[siegecrossbow]

My favorite post of the day is by Nomenclature. Sends the chills down my spines everytime I read it. What he said is not only relevant in China but also in Pakistan, India, and just about every developing country.

The article is well-written, but I don't think it's the time to be overly concerned Chinese soft power aboard. The more pressing question is, does China have soft power even within China?

When I began to the article, even without knowing who's the author, I immediately realize it must have been written by a non-Chinese because almost all defenders of Chinese traditions nowadays are foreigners.

The whole education system is China is basically teaching children why China was hell before the great national savior known as Communism came from the West. Of course few people now still believes in communism, so the lesson to Chinese children simply become China sucks the West rocks.

Newspapers in China often wonder why people are willing to pay more for Western brands. Guess what, that's what happens when your national education system is basically a free advertising machine for the West. Just take a look at names of top Chinese car companies and compare them with Japanese and Korean ones. Japan has Toyota, Honda and Nissan, all Japanese names. Korea has Hyundai, Ssangyong, Daewoo, again all Korean names. Then take a look at top 3 private Chinese carmakers: Chery, Geely and BYD, all Western sounding names. That's how much self-respect the Chinese has.

All talks of projecting Chinese soft power aboard is pure non-sense until Chinese learn to respect themselves.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-defence/74226-developing-chinas-soft-power.html

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Who else could have translated it better.

[Pakistan] proposed to develop the Sabre II not because Pakistan wanted the Sabre II. It was an excuse to get the U.S. to lower the price of the F-16. If the U.S. lowered the price of the F-16, the Pakistani military could save up to 100 million U.S. dollars and profit tremendously from the deal.

When Pakistan abandoned the Sabre II program China wished to continue the project and renamed it the "Super 7" project. China was willing to take the risk and reassured Pakistan that it was willing to pay for the cost of initial R&D. Grumman stated that they will not invest in the initial development phase but are willing to provide technological assistance. The Chinese (experts) left Beijing in 1988 to start the second round of cooperation with Grumman.

In 1989, the United States terminated military and economical exchanges with China. The cooperative effort between China and Grumman, the Super Seven Project, was terminated as well. Although the Super Seven project did not succeed, the Chinese aviations industry, for the first time, was able to garner the attention of the American aviations industry and engage in limited cooperation.

Although it was no longer possible to cooperate with the Americans on the Super Seven project, China's CAC decided to continue developing the plane by itself.

Aviation expert: We can't use American engines and radars so we looked for European and Soviet replacements. "If the west isn't bright, the East is bright" (referring to look for help elsewhere).

May 17, 1990, the Chinese development team flew to Leningrad to discuss engine purchase with Mikoyan. The official talks began on May 30th. No one expected that just two months after the Chinese development team left Russia the Soviet Union ceased to be and the city where the agreement was made, Leningrad, was renamed St. Petersburg. Fortunately, the Russian side wished to continue the talks. The "Super Seven" received the Russian engine, a major fighter jet component. Pakistan once again expressed interest in the project and invited the Chinese development team to visit. Pakistan watched the Super Seven project closely even after the Sabre II project was cancelled in 1987. One of the key advocates of the Sabre II project, Major General Faluk(???), became the Air Force Chief of Staff. He is in charge now. General Faluk met the Chinese team in his office on the 28th. China once again opened the "gates of cooperation" with Pakistan.

Expert: Pakistan's Air Force Chief of Staff, the equivalent of a Si Ling in our country (the commander in chief is the president in Pakistan, was our old friend. He used to be the vice chief of staff and we got to know him very well back when we developed Sabre II. When we visited him he was very happy to get a plane like this. We were able to reestablish our relationships with Pakistan this way.

Pakistan's interest in the Super Seven reignited. While they seriously needed this type of light-weighter fighter plane there is another reason for the renewed interest. The Americans failed to deliver the second delivery of 70 F-16s. As a result Pakistan was forced to readjust their strategy.

Aviation expert: This is because Pakistan didn't have its independent aeronautic industry. I've visited Pakistani factories a few times before and it was apparent that they could only maintain and produce small aircrafts (commercial planes like the Cessna). As for military planes at the time they could only maintain them. The Pakistanis hope that they could build up their own aeronautics industry. They want to take advantage of this joint-venture and learn something from China. Only China could help them.

June 28ths, 1999, Pakistan signed the official document on a joint China-Pakistan fighter development program. The Xiaolong Fighter, as it was called in China, was named the JF-17 "Lightning" in Pakistan. The project was interesting since the Pakistani military was willing to pay for 50% of the development cost while the CAC and CAIC paid for the other 50%. The prototype was developed by CAC and CAIC. The Super Seven project, which has been delayed by a decade, was going full speed ahead.

Expert: This is the first time that China is using foreign investment to develop a military plane that will be exported. Previously Chinese fighter developments were funded by the nation(government). The country will assign a mission while the customers will specify their demands before we start developing the plane in question. This time things are different. The funding provided by our customer is very limited and is from abroad so we created a risk management program. A few venture capitalist companies also sponsored our development. This is another innovation. Lastly we were willing to task risks developing a military aircraft. We would never have dared to do that in the past. This is the result of the 20 years of economic liberalization and "thought liberation".

Expert: If you succeed and we sell the planes for a profit, everyone enjoy the profits. If the development of the plane ultimately failed, our companions are responsible for the money that they invested early on.

In 2001, China and Pakistan finished the initial development for the plane and the plane entered its vital phase. Pakistan wanted a prototype to take off by 2003.

Thread link: http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/74474-request-chinese-members.html