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Poor Pakistan

Obama’s recent trip snubbed Islamabad, and underscored how important relations with Delhi now are

by Julia Belluz on Monday, November 22, 2010

When U.S. President Barack Obama touched down in India last week on Air Force One—part of a staggering 40-aircraft, six-armoured-car entourage—his was the biggest trip to India of any U.S. administration. And the scale of Obama’s much-discussed retinue matched the sizable gesture the U.S. made toward India, as the President described the India-U.S. friendship as “one of the defining and indispensible partnerships of the 21st century.” Other presidents have fostered closer ties with India, but Obama stayed in the country longer than he has in any other, and announced America’s backing of a permanent seat on the UN Security Council for India, making it the second nation—after Japan—to earn such a distinction.

But there was an equally significant, though more implicit, action that came with the strengthening ties between the world’s largest democracies. Shirking the long-time habit of U.S. presidents to pair a stop in India with a trip to the country’s archrival, Pakistan (long seen as America’s most important strategic ally in the region), Obama continued on to three other democracies (Indonesia, South Korea, Japan)—without any such nod to Islamabad. Though the U.S. has been working on “de-hyphenating”—or separating—relations with India and Pakistan for about a decade, four of the five previous trips by U.S. presidents to India were either preceded by or followed with stops in Pakistan, mainly to avoid upsetting either of the long-standing rivals in the zero-sum game that characterizes U.S. relations with the two nations.

Sometimes, though, bolstering one friendship comes at the cost of another. For Obama, the economy was the thing—inspiring his administration to forge ahead in its partnership with India, an emerging global power, even if it meant damaging the strategic partnership with Pakistan at a critical time in the Afghan war effort. “Obama understood the importance of the economic relationship with India,” says Shuja Nawaz, the director of the South Asia Center at the Atlantic Council of the United States. “And because the recent political campaign at home has focused on economics, that tilted the balance in favour of trade and jobs in India.” Seen in that light, the trip was a success: Obama secured $10 billion in Indian purchases of American aircraft, jet engines, locomotives, and gas turbines, which will create 50,000 jobs for the flagging U.S. economy.

Indeed, the visit was also a reflection of the South Asian country’s increasing global influence and its challenge to rival China, and also further recognition by the United States that countries like India and Brazil will be major economic players in the coming decades. And though the announcement that Washington would back India for a seat on the UN Security Council was more symbolic than substantive (such an attempted reform would be subject to China’s possible veto), it confirmed the shifting power dynamics in the region.

In what many analysts said was a bid to appease Pakistan, before the Asia tour the U.S. announced $2 billion in military and security aid for Pakistan (a complement to a $7.5-billion package of civilian aid over five years that was approved last year). Despite that, Islamabad reacted to the India trip and the deepening friendship between Washington and Delhi with characteristic hostility, describing the president’s call for a top UN role for India as “power politics” lacking morality. “It is incomprehensible that the U.S. has sought to support India, whose credentials with respect to observing UN charter principles and international law are at best checkered,” a statement from Pakistan read.

Even with that public anger, some Pakistanis understand that, for Washington, economic concerns may currently be paramount. “Pakistan is a net consumer of American taxpayer benevolence,” wrote Pakistani analyst Mosharraf Zaidi in a recent column. “India is a net contributor to the American taxpayers’ bottom line. What part of ‘more money’ is so difficult for the Pakistani nationalist elite to understand?” And Cyril Almeida, an analyst and columnist with Dawn, the largest English-language daily in Pakistan, notes that there’s a part of the narrative about Pakistan-India-U.S. relations that’s often missed. “There’s what’s said publicly” in Pakistan, he says over the phone from Islamabad. “Ostensibly, Pakistan is up in arms over the U.S.-India friendship, and since it’s a zero-sum game, anything that’s seen to benefit India is seen to hurt Pakistan.” Privately, though, Pakistanis realize that India and the U.S. share more in common on strategic issues than Pakistan and the U.S. do, particularly since India began liberalizing its economy in the early 1990s. “So what often gets missed is the fact that while we complain, we understand the limitations Pakistan has.”

But Pakistan hasn’t always been the spurned one. Since the inception of a Pakistani state, the U.S. has enjoyed closer ties to Pakistan than India, in particular during the Cold War when India was closer to the Soviet camp (though it officially took a non-aligned path). Since 9/11, Pakistan has been seen as an ally with the U.S. in the war on terrorism. As part of that partnership, since 2005 America has shelled out more than $1 billion a year to fight extremists, and close to $2 billion last fiscal year.

It’s a friendship that has to some degree been defined in negatives—counter-terrorism, counter-extremism, counter-insurgency, not to mention concerns over Pakistan’s nuclear proliferation. The relationship has recently frayed, with accusations from Washington that elements of the Pakistani defence establishment have continued to actively support the Afghan Taliban while failing to secure the NATO supply routes from Pakistani ports to supply depots across the Afghan border.

India, on the other hand, has much to offer the U.S.: a robust economy, strategic positioning in terms of helping to guard the vital Indian Ocean sea lane across which most of the world’s oil moves, and a role as counterbalance to China in Asia. While the U.S. has been struggling to bounce back after the financial crisis, its economy shrinking by 2.4 per cent last year, India’s GDP is expected to increase by 10 per cent in 2010. Indians also make up the largest skilled migrant group in the U.S. Pakistan cannot offer any such benefits.

There’s another source of tension in the trilateral relations: much of Pakistan’s frustration over strengthened U.S.-Indian ties is a result of Kashmir. Before assuming the presidency, Obama said he would help find a solution to the problem of the disputed territory, claimed by both sides and at the heart of two wars fought between India and Pakistan since 1947. Since then, he’s remained neutral, in line with U.S. policy, since 1990, of non-interference on Kashmir unless invited. But any evidence of favouritism is bound to increase Pakistani suspicions, and Obama’s trip to India and his Security Council announcement fuelled fears that he intends to take the Indian side.

Whatever the future holds, Pakistan may have to get used to playing second fiddle to India. “There is this sense in Pakistan of constant betrayal—they want the U.S. to back them against India,” says Walter Andersen, associate director of the South Asia Studies program at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. But, he adds: “India is eight times larger than Pakistan, and growing every year. It’s always going to be big—and there.”

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This situation is the result of weak Pakistani policy from the start. Its military dictators and temporary democratic leaders have looked towards the United States for help at almost every juncture. There was a article on the forum where China called Pakistan its Israel and many were celebrating, but the sad part is that Pakistan has never been able to come up with an identity of its own. It was USA's proxy in south Asia during the 60's, became the launching pad against Afghanistan during the soviet-Afghan war and today is China's proxy against India. The second fiddle attitude has eaten away on the excellent potential the country had early it its years and sadly it remains a country running on life support. Its time Pakistan's stops its animosity with India and works with us on the betterment of the region. Fighting a country 10 times bigger than you has only led to your own problems being magnified.
 
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Well Obama is only going to visit Pakistan, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia and other countries in 2011. This is no big deal that he did not have Pakistan or have every country in the region on his itenrary. India is bigger than Pakistan, you just realized that on Nov.22nd, 2010, were you sleeping all this time since August 14th, 1947.

Size of a country does matter, but if the size was the only factor then Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Kuwait, UAE and Iran would not matter at all, but that is not the case.

India has a large population but to bring all 430,000,000 million people in India from below the poverty to a western standard of living will take another 100+ years. Though India wants to compete with every nation in the G-20 but none of the G-19 nation have a % of 40% people below the poverty line. Indians do not have to worry if Obama did not come to Pakistan, as long as you got the out sourced jobs sitting behind in the closet and saying Yes Sir yes Sir, just hush ........ and keep saving those $$$...., but the GOI instead of building cash reserves need to share the wealth with people living in the slums of India.

Buying just weapons will not get India anywhere..:pakistan::welcome::pdf:
 
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pakistan should not get itself used (or misued) by other countries against India. Instead it should work with India to help allevate itself from this mess. but alas!! Its almost impossible since generations after generations pakistanis have been taught hatred againt India and Indians through their official educational curriculam. That wont help. I can post sources and exact refernces to pakistani school text books like how to differentiate muslim from hindus etc being taught in 1st and 2nd grade classes and and how India is portrayed as a cunning nation that is threat to Islam etc in school books, but that would be OT here.
 
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Well Obama is only going to visit Pakistan, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia and other countries in 2011. This is no big deal that he did not have Pakistan or have every country in the region on his itenrary. India is bigger than Pakistan, you just realized that on Nov.22nd, 2010, were you sleeping all this time since August 14th, 1947.

Size of a country does matter, but if the size was the only factor then Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Kuwait, UAE and Iran would not matter at all, but that is not the case.

India has a large population but to bring all 430,000,000 million people in India from below the poverty to a western standard of living will take another 100+ years. Though India wants to compete with every nation in the G-20 but none of the G-19 nation have a % of 40% people below the poverty line. Indians do not have to worry if Obama did not come to Pakistan, as long as you got the out sourced jobs sitting behind in the closet and saying Yes Sir yes Sir, just hush ........ and keep saving those $$$...., but the GOI instead of building cash reserves need to share the wealth with people living in the slums of India.

Buying just weapons will not get India anywhere..:pakistan::welcome::pdf:

Again your harping on that same old poor people argument, I am truly sick and tired of some people who cant come up with better arguments that these, seriously if you cant contribute in a positive manner, dont waste our time by writing the same things over and over again. In terms of poverty Pakistan isnt doing that well also so please dont stress on facts that are muddy on your side as well.

In terms of our size, we know what we are since 1947, its Pakistan that fails to realize not only ours but its own size. The GOI is a very active organization is working as fast as it can on core issues and significant improvement has been seen in the past years. Rather than singing about the same old poverty, take inspiration from us and reform your economy and attitude. We may have poor people but we also have the resolve to reform our economy within 10 years and grow to become the 4th largest in the world.

Its not about Obama not visiting Pakistan but its about the reason and methodology of the visit. Obama's visit to India was huge in a very strategic sense where not only multi billion dollars were signed but India was given access to technology that we could have not even dreamed of 15 years ago. There has been no change in any of our stances but the US had to bend down to our demands in order to safeguard it own needs. Such reversal in attitudes is a big achievement for a country that was singled out for financial collapse in 1991. Obama will surely visit Pakistan but that will be a consolidation visit and will have no similarity in magnitude. There will be no corporate giants, no technology releases and no trade talk. As pointed out in the article, we add value to the US market and you take it away.
 
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pakistan should not get itself used (or misued) by other countries against India. Instead it should work with India to help allevate itself from this mess. but alas!! Its almost impossible since generations after generations pakistanis have been taught hatred againt India and Indians through their official educational curriculam. That wont help. I can post sources and exact refernces to pakistani school text books like how to differentiate muslim from hindus etc being taught in 1st and 2nd grade classes and and how India is portrayed as a cunning nation that is threat to Islam etc in school books, but that would be OT here.

[citation needed]

Also, nope. Ground realities are far different than what you think is happening in Pakistan.
 
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Well Obama is only going to visit Pakistan, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia and other countries in 2011. This is no big deal that he did not have Pakistan or have every country in the region on his itenrary. India is bigger than Pakistan, you just realized that on Nov.22nd, 2010, were you sleeping all this time since August 14th, 1947.

Size of a country does matter, but if the size was the only factor then Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Kuwait, UAE and Iran would not matter at all, but that is not the case.

India has a large population but to bring all 430,000,000 million people in India from below the poverty to a western standard of living will take another 100+ years. Though India wants to compete with every nation in the G-20 but none of the G-19 nation have a % of 40% people below the poverty line. Indians do not have to worry if Obama did not come to Pakistan, as long as you got the out sourced jobs sitting behind in the closet and saying Yes Sir yes Sir, just hush ........ and keep saving those $$$...., but the GOI instead of building cash reserves need to share the wealth with people living in the slums of India.

Buying just weapons will not get India anywhere..:pakistan::welcome::pdf:

the topic taken totally to a different level. when you say India has high poverty rate, why do you forget, we are developing fast at the same time ?? India is already recovering from its state of poverty...it will just improve ,as India's economy grows more...and we are already seeing that....and thats called growth. If poverty becomes the criteria or benchmark for decidng different countries position, then you would have seen Obama coming to your country first, as you have less poverty rate than India. and about outsourced jobs...then let me tell you India is already creating thousands of jobs for americans...and you should also read the part in the article that says....

Pakistan is a net consumer of American taxpayer benevolence,” wrote Pakistani analyst Mosharraf Zaidi in a recent column. “India is a net contributor to the American taxpayers’ bottom line.
 
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Things are not as rosy for India and not as bleak for Pakistan.

But yeah India seems to be going at right direction.
 
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I love this forum and day by day i think that it was incorrectly named. (Sarcasm on) Wow i am so proud to be a member of the PDF community right now (sarcasm off)...
 
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a silly article with an equally silly title.....i dont think anybody in Pakistan is crying over an American state visit to hindustan; media is talking about it more than anybody on the street is. On the street, nobody really cares

this guy obama has a very tough time ahead of him anyways, too many distractions at home to be an effective leader
 
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Well Obama is only going to visit Pakistan, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia and other countries in 2011. This is no big deal that he did not have Pakistan or have every country in the region on his itenrary. India is bigger than Pakistan, you just realized that on Nov.22nd, 2010, were you sleeping all this time since August 14th, 1947.

Size of a country does matter, but if the size was the only factor then Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Kuwait, UAE and Iran would not matter at all, but that is not the case.

India has a large population but to bring all 430,000,000 million people in India from below the poverty to a western standard of living will take another 100+ years. Though India wants to compete with every nation in the G-20 but none of the G-19 nation have a % of 40% people below the poverty line. Indians do not have to worry if Obama did not come to Pakistan, as long as you got the out sourced jobs sitting behind in the closet and saying Yes Sir yes Sir, just hush ........ and keep saving those $$$...., but the GOI instead of building cash reserves need to share the wealth with people living in the slums of India.

Buying just weapons will not get India anywhere..:pakistan::welcome::pdf:
Don't understand where you get the 45% population BPL number from seriously. Some members here say 80% some say 90% some say 50%...is this a bidding competition or what? The official stand by government is 250 million BPLs by what is called "Western standards". It is big amount but we are working on it.


And by the way, Obama didn't sell any weapons this time for us; unless you call transport planes as weapons. Instead our airlines bought some more commercial planes from Boeing worth around $2-3 billion. 99% of all the deals that BO signed in India were commercial, technological and non-military in nature.
 
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