POLL: Should Turkey close Bosporos and force Russia to use Pacific ports and ship to Syria via Suez?

[-blitzkrieg-]

US, Russia, China , KSA, Israel. Too many boxes at the same time.

Greece,Armenia,Albania,Cyprus,Syria,UAE ,Egypt,France ..

the thing is all of them are not an all-out enemy like India is to Pakistan.. And Turkey has very strong track two with many of the above nations.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Strange behavior of the forum. I have a "Quoted" alert for @-blitzkrieg-'s post ( his reply to me ) whereas I have not made any post in this thread.

@WebMaster @waz

-blitzkrieg-, did you wrongly quote my post from somewhere else ??

that was from a different thread..i was about to respond you but jumped to this thread and while quoting every past quote gets added.

 

[jamahir]

that was from a different thread..i was about to respond you but jumped to this thread and while quoting every past quote gets added.

OK.

 

[himate]

Turkey must pursue nukes in their thousands and they should've done this years ago since the cuban missile crisis. What was the leaders thinking all these years while turkey surrounded by nuclear powered countries? This current crises can be turned into an opportunity if the leaders are clever. Once turkey test its nukes then game over for Russia

 

[Ansu fati]

Not much they can do. Turkey's economy is dependent on Russian tourists. A war with Russia means no more Russian tourists means collapse of Turkish economy which means civil unrest which means overthrow of Erdogan.

Turkish economy isn’t dependent on russians
This is the biggest hoax pushed by russian trolls

The Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits signed in 1936 prohibits Turkey from closing the straits.

No it doesn’t prohibit
It is just a regulation where all other black states will have equal treatment and most important one the treaty protects russians from SIGNIFICANT non-black state NAVIES PRESENCE
But there are clear articles in the treaty which give Turkey sovereign right to close istanbul straits
By the way the according to the montrex treaty it’s confirmed that bosphorus and dardanelles are ONLY TURKISH territory and Turkey is free to militiraze them which already happened long time ago
Also if Turkey decides to declare istanbul region/province military zone or war zone whatever you call it they can also close the straits
When i mean “equal” treatment it means that Turkey cannot discriminate certain balck sea country versus other black sea countries
The reason why i put equality in quote marks is because Turkey is deprived from rightful economic benefit
Taxes for passing boshporus are ridiculous i can even say irrelevant
This particular economic discrimination towards Turkey is one of the main reasons for building the new canal istanbul according to TR government

 

[Mithridates]

Turkey must pursue nukes in their thousands and they should've done this years ago since the cuban missile crisis. What was the leaders thinking all these years while turkey surrounded by nuclear powered countries? This current crises can be turned into an opportunity if the leaders are clever. Once turkey test its nukes then game over for Russia

you are over estimating power of nukes.

 

[Neptune]

You are talking about denying a natural right of a major power to its sea lines.... Do you know what kind of courage it would require? USA and NATO support will be there only in case of countries like Iran and not against Russia.... We have seen what USA and NATO did in Crimea case..... Those articles and provisions in it will remain on paper only if Russia determines to open up the sea lanes.... Don't forget that Russia will first cut the gas and oil flowing in their pipelines to Turkey...

Ukraine isn't NATO.

Its not denying natural rights. Its to deny military ships from passage. This does not cover commercial ships. I'm not pro-Russian nor pro-US but we all have seen what happened in late 2015 when Turkish Air Force shot down a Russian combat aircraft. UK sent Eurofighters to Cyprus, US sent F-16s and F-15 to Incirlik AFB, if it wasn't for the government to apologize to make amends in Syria and look where that brought us: Russia directly targeting Turkish military personnel. We can not count on any ally, especially at this moment but the treaty is very clear which does not necessarily require formal declaration of war and US back on great power competition in its national defence strategy (As outlined by White House NSC report) eager to look ways to contain Russia not only in Syria but in elsewhere as well.

And if they cut oil pipelines, still they won't have access to Med via Black Sea, and the geographical scape of Turkish straits make it very cheap and easy to defend it. It will be a kill zone for any attempt to breach blockades.

To conclude, if there is anything the Europe and US will be eager to assist Turkey on even if the relations are not good nowadays, it is to contain Russia and keep Turkey away from Russia's orbit. In this instance, they will gain more than anyone including us. We saw that in the place incident on 2015, but after the coup the government followed a different path.

So like I said in the beginning it again boils down to the decision makers and their view of Russia. There will come a time when the government changes in Turkey and the war in Syria will end; there will be no use to stay close to Russia. People today talk about US and Turkey as two trains coming near a head-on collision. But the real collision to happen is with Russia.

As a self criticism, on the third Turkish operation in Syria, I could accept the fact that it was stopped due to US pressure. But in the case of Idlib, it is definitely not because of Russia but rather our in-competencies within the civilian administration.

Lets just hope that Turkey won't have to close the straits.

Well , They will support but the reality is that Turkey is the one who have to fight with Russia which mean your northern cities , your port and even Istanbul will get hit ....
No European country will dare to attack Russia directly to assist Turkey ...


Why you Turks become so naive !?

I don't like them neither but they did, check paragraph 1 on above quote.

Turkey will first have to say it is at war or threatened with imminent danger of war. With whom do you want to declare war ?

Please read the Article 21 again. Imminent danger of war occurs in peacetime for instances like this.

 

[KhanBaba2]

Please read the Article 21 again. Imminent danger of war occurs in peacetime for instances like this.

So what I am asking is who are you imminently going to fight a war with. You need 2 parties to have a war. One is you. Who is the other.

 

[Ansu fati]

So what I am asking is who are you imminently going to fight a war with. You need 2 parties to have a war. One is you. Who is the other.

Assad
But even without war declaration still there are ways to close the straits i have already explained all options

 

[himate]

you are over estimating power of nukes.

I'm not overestimating. This is the only solution against medieval tyrant who already possess nukes. Medieval tyrant don't behave like civilised leaders nor do they care about their own people they only care about themselves. Turkey can easily deal with these dogs like the way it dealth with ypigs, they are no match but they feel empowered to play with fire because they possess nukes as their insurance. If turkey had nukes for insurance then these coward wouldn't dare antogonise turkey nor would they have ever landed in syria in the first place. Assad would have been dealth with long time ago.

 

[Rukarl]

I'm not overestimating. This is the only solution against medieval tyrant who already possess nukes. Medieval tyrant don't behave like civilised leaders nor do they care about their own people they only care about themselves. Turkey can easily deal with these dogs like the way it dealth with ypigs, they are no match but they feel empowered to play with fire because they possess nukes as their insurance. If turkey had nukes for insurance then these coward wouldn't dare antogonise turkey nor would they have ever landed in syria in the first place. Assad would have been dealth with long time ago.

Why dont you get it ? Turkey wont be allowed to posses nukes. Yes ''wont be allowed''. If you guys want to have nukes you should go berserk and go against every American or Israeli wish. You know that you will then get the ''Iran treatment''. Iran has oil and gas and survived (till now). Turkey does not and its economy will collapse.

Then you would be carrying huge sack of lira to buy a single piece of bread.

 

[Neptune]

So what I am asking is who are you imminently going to fight a war with. You need 2 parties to have a war. One is you. Who is the other.

No my friend.

Constitution of the Republic of Turkey defines the declaration of war as the legitimate rights arising from international law like in any other state. And that is not limited by conventional military conflict between two or more states. Right to self-defence is also included. But let me remind again that imminent danger of war is not and has been never limited with two states fighting against one another. To answer your question it can be both Russia or Syria as Russia also uses the straits to supply Assad, the country can close the straits to Russian military passage citing their combat and logistics support to Syria. What will happen on the ground and how to implement this decision is an entirely different topic for a thread on its own I willing to participate. But in a legal context, it is perfectly applicable. Just as land forces teaches Clausewitz to every officer, navy does the same for the Montreux Convention right and forth. There is nothing illegal with closing the straits for Russian military citing the war in Syria whether it is directly targeting Russian aggression or Assad within the scope of Article 21 of the convention.

 

[Mr.NiceGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1231597236179566592

 

[Timur]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1231597236179566592

man these pkk ppl are worser than the excrements of certain animals.. you cant count them as humans and they shouldnt be counted as humans like their supporters..

these excrements had their brutal rain on syrian lands and from sex slaves to just going into houses and killing a mother and a little child they had only one more hobby: creating extra big posters of that ugly bokcalan

 

[vishwambhar]

If Turkey dares to close Bosporus then Turkey will invite new enemies to the party!!! Romania, Bulgaria though small powers but it's just an addition in the front against Turkey and along with BEAR they will make life miserable for Turkey.... No country big power or small power will ever tolerate it's sea lines being controlled by another power..... IMHO it's time for Turkey to get rid of current idiot regime...