POLL: Should China and Russia merge into 1 country called Ruschina, with Haishenwai AKA Vladivostok as capital, Han and Rus as official languages?

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Both China and Russia want to be the most populous and the biggest country. China has the largest population, but not the largest area. Russia has the largest area, but not the biggest population. So China and Russia should become 1 country with the biggest area and the biggest population. The merged country can be called Ruschina, having two official languages Han and Rus, sort of like how Canada has English and French as official languages. Haishenwai used to be Chinese land which was given to Russia and renamed Vladivostok. So, it is appropriate as the capital city. Also, the new flag is the same as China flag except with the simple red background changed to Russia's white, blue, red tri color.

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[Rusty2]

It would be a great Idea, under supreme leader Putin the new country would do amazingly well.

 

[Sam6536]

Obviously that won't work. Russia and China are friends of convenience. Historically USSR and then Russia had the upper hand but currently both demographically and economically Russia is on a downward spiral. China bought all they could from Russia (TOT) and then reversed engineered the thing.
Russia still occupies what China historically considers it's territory under it's various outward Republics.
One of the major reasons Russia has good relations with both India and China and supplies arms to India is to counter China's influence in the region.
The recent leaks show that Russia is hesitant to rely on China and it's technology in the future.
Remember Russia is not a partner nation or a small power it has it's own ambitions and world view.

 

[Yaoudelizard]

Eurasian version of NATO yes, 1 country no. EU is the perfect example of why you should not force countries with different cultures and economic structures together. It’s tearing itself apart because of all the differences. It’s perfectly fine being partners, you don’t have to become the same to cooperate.

 

[tower9]

What a stupid thread created by a shadowy troll

 

[etylo]

Obviously that won't work. Russia and China are friends of convenience. Historically USSR and then Russia had the upper hand but currently both demographically and economically Russia is on a downward spiral. China bought all they could from Russia (TOT) and then reversed engineered the thing.
Russia still occupies what China historically considers it's territory under it's various outward Republics.
One of the major reasons Russia has good relations with both India and China and supplies arms to India is to counter China's influence in the region.
The recent leaks show that Russia is hesitant to rely on China and it's technology in the future.
Remember Russia is not a partner nation or a small power it has it's own ambitions and world view.

Lol, what did China buy from Russia as TOT, a typical indian fools logic try to discredit and slander any tech China has developed.

 

[beijingwalker]

China and Russia share the longest borders in the world, it's a blessing for peoples from both sides that the two nations enjoy cordial friendship.

Russians gather at the China-Russia border river to watch lantern Festival fireworks in China

 

[Sam6536]

Lol, what did China buy from Russia as TOT, a typical indian fools logic try to discredit and slander any tech China has developed.

Most of the Chinese arms were based on Russian blueprint. India does the same thing. Rather than investing from scratch you buy stuff from Russia with TOT and then modify it.
If you're claiming that this doesn't happen then you're being plain ignorant of world geopolitics and history. J16, SAMs etc are based on Russian weapons. Not saying that everything is done the same way but in the recent past this was the case and for most of the current arsenal too. Only now does China have the base capability to actually design stuff and invest in it.
Disprove my statement with reputable facts and logic not emotions.

 

[MH.Yang]

NO

 

[etylo]

Most of the Chinese arms were based on Russian blueprint. India does the same thing. Rather than investing from scratch you buy stuff from Russia with TOT and then modify it.
If you're claiming that this doesn't happen then you're being plain ignorant of world geopolitics and history. J16, SAMs etc are based on Russian weapons. Not saying that everything is done the same way but in the recent past this was the case and for most of the current arsenal too. Only now does China have the base capability to actually design stuff and invest in it.
Disprove my statement with reputable facts and logic not emotions.

Chinese redesigned J16 completely from Su-30, there was no TOT when China bought SU-30 not like India's purchase of the planes with TOT, China might did some reverse engineering in the early stage for reference. China did buy some SAMs from Russia before and there might be some TOT in some models before. Recent Chinese purchase of S-400 doesn't come with TOT either, China can pretty much produce the equivalent. What India did with Russian weapons doesn't mean China also did the same things with some Russian weapons purchased. What India is incapable doesn't mean China is also incapable.

 

[*Warrior*]

One of the major reasons Russia has good relations with both India and China and supplies arms to India is to counter China's influence in the region.

No, You are wrong.
If it was the reason Russia not remove arms embargo from Pakistan, who is China ally.

Real reason is Russia has always shortage of money. So, She sells her weapons to India.
Money is always reason they not become No. 1 Super Power than US.
So, This is the reason new Super Power will be China to replace US in future due to her economy. Russia has thousands of Nukes, while Chine have few hundreds.

If we look at Soviet/Russia war in Afghanistan, They were able to counter stringer missiles after some time, but money was again issue. Same in Ukraine they are facing money issue, but if China gives them money as loan or donations, they can continue war for years.

For Thread Title/Poll:

Not seems possible even in future.
But they will be like NATO in future.

 

[Sam6536]

Chinese redesigned J16 completely from Su-30, there was no TOT when China bought SU-30 not like India's purchase of the planes with TOT, China might did some reverse engineering in the early stage. China did buy some SAMs from Russia before and there might be some TOT in some models before. Recent Chinese purchase of S-400 doesn't come with TOT either, China can pretty much produce the equivalent. What India did with Russian weapons doesn't mean China also did the same things with some Russian weapons purchased. What India is incapable doesn't mean China is also incapable.

You just proved my point
The Su30 served as a blueprint as a base for the J16. You didn't start from scratch like lets say America did for F16.
S400 is a relatively newer variant, China has S300 and SAMs based on it (i think its called huang qr sam or something).
India does the same thing. I did agree that currently industrial output wise China has a lead over India but India has the lead over the ability to source weapons from multiple sources, also actual weapons difference is not that high (Indian airforce is lacking full operational capability though).
Missiles, Navy and Army are mostly fully operational with new stuff being inducted.
Biggest playcard here is the US and how far they'd be willing to sell India stuff to keep China in check.
So far we have Chinooks, Boeing personnel carriers, Airbus personnel carriers, Apaches, P8Is, possible induction of Stryker APCs with TOT, MQ8 reaper drones and more deals in pipeline. We have major ongoing deals with other European powers too.
Russia is currently in talks with newer Brahmos missiles and for more Kilo class submarines with India.
Afaik we're in talks with France for their submarines too (we already have some inducted).

 

[Acetic Acid]

Someone make a similar post about Pakistan and India

And another about Pakistan and Bangladesh

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[beijingwalker]

India but India has the lead over the ability to source weapons from multiple sources, also actual weapons difference is not that high (Indian airforce is lacking full operational capability though).
Missiles, Navy and Army are mostly fully operational with new stuff being inducted.
Biggest playcard here is the US and how far they'd be willing to sell India stuff to keep China in check.
So far we have Chinooks, Boeing personnel carriers, Airbus personnel carriers, Apaches, P8Is, possible induction of Stryker APCs with TOT, MQ8 reaper drones and more deals in pipeline. We have major ongoing deals with other European powers too.
Russia is currently in talks with newer Brahmos missiles and for more Kilo class submarines with India.
Afaik we're in talks with France for their submarines too (we already have some inducted).

Actually it's the biggest weakness for India, various equipments from dozens of countries make it impossible to integrate them into one network and system, logistically speaking it's also a disaster.

 

[Sam6536]

No, You are wrong.
If it was the reason Russia not remove arms embargo from Pakistan, who is China ally.

The embargo was removed in 2014 and so far Russia has not sold any consequential weapons to Pakistan. Mil35s are ancient at this point, India is already considering to replace them with more Apaches and homegrown LCHs.
Russia and India meanwhile maintain joint JVS with Brahmos, India operates almsot 1200 Russia T90s, 300+ sukhoi fighters etc and more in pipeline. AK203 production just went live a few months ago.
Russia is under sanctions and still trades with India and we buy weapons from them
I didn't say Russia wants to antogonise China I said that it keeps a power balance in the region by selling adavnced weapons to India.

Real reason is Russia has always shortage of money. So, She sells her weapons to India.
Money is always reason they not become No. 1 Super Power than US.
So, This is the reason new Super Power will be China to replace US in future due to her economy. Russia has thousands of Nukes, while Chine have few hundreds.

Russia has never been an economic giant, this increased after their decreased population growth in this century.
Russia can't hope to match America in conventional terms. Russia only has an edge in nuclear submarine numbers and well nukes. Russia has some incredibly good weapons but they took a hit in producing them after sanctions banned transfer of critical tech and well russia lacks the money to mass produce stuff.
Russia's one aim of JVs with India is to jointly research so they can save research money. India pulled out of SU35 after which not much progress was done in the program.
China is still an growing power at this point of time they can't hope to go for a full scale war with America not when most of the world will side with the US or try not to antogonise the US.

If we look at Soviet/Russia war in Afghanistan, They were able to counter stringer missiles after some time, but money was again issue. Same in Ukraine they are facing money issue, but if China gives them money as loan or donations, they can continue war for years.

They can't sustain the human costs and economical costs of the war. The west is watching the war like a hawk to monitor Chinese activities.