Politics of ethnocentrism dominates Pakistan.

[Indus Pakistan]

Often on PDF ethnocentrism is used as something that is rare and even un patriotic. But let's look at some facts on the ground. The reality is most of Pakistan today votes along ethnocentric lines either implicity or explicitly.

For decades Karachi Mohajirs have voted for what is unashamedly MQM. There was nothing nuanced about this. MQM stood for rights of the Indian migrants and it's voting pattern manifested ethnocentrism decade after dfecade. Later there was some miserable attempt to hide this but everybody knows what MQM stands for.

Then we have PPP which over the decades has refined itself to be a party of Sindhi mostly dominating interior Sindh and thus can be seen as the "other" to MQM.

PML-N is actually today a Lahore centred Punjabi party clustered around the GT belt with Punjabi trading class of Kashmiri background dominating it. This is why PML-N often is accused of spending most of development funds on Lahore.

PTI gained its traction in Khyber Pakhtunkwa and indeed formed it's first porovincial government there in 2013. That pattern has persisted although it managed to spill into neighbouring Punjab districts particularly the Seraiki belt. But should it lose you will see it retract to it's base in K-Pk. Yes it gained some seats in Karachi but that was probably lot to do with establishment help and Altaf bhai being squeezed out by the rangers.

Balochistan always gets a clear division along Baloch or Pakhtun based parties. So the reality is in 2021 Pakistani politics is dominated by electorate who vote along parachial or ethnocentric or regional based parties.

 

[Iltutmish]

One solution: Islam.

 

[pakpride00090]

And the sky is blue and water is wet.

Oh btw , MQM 2.0 in Karachi inshallah.. Most of us have realized that giving PTI seats in Karachi was a mistake.

Inshallah 2023 would change that.

Jiye Muhajir.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

One solution: Islam.

Is't Pakistan the first Islamic republic of the world? So Islam is being tried the last 73 years


Quality post though: A bit better colour breakdown of the parties in bolded letters would be highly appreciated..


I think PTI is red right?
slightly better for colour-party coordination

Click on it to get the full larger picture

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

PTI is coming down from the North down to south like Alexander's campaign..If PTI can take over Sindh...There will be national unity..but is Imran Khan already grooming the next generation of leaders? One Man parties are dead end

Thank you @pakpride00090 for removing the offensive word

 

[RoadRunner401]

PTI is coming down from the North down to south like Alexander's campaign...If PTI can take over Sindh...There will be national unity..but is Imran Khan already grooming the next generation of leaders? One Man parties are dead end


Since when did you join NSDAP?

PTI isn't One man's party, PTI is a movement, IK is the leader people trust others working within the party has the time to show people they can also be trusted...

So-called leaders who benefit from ethnic-based politics as they aren't even qualified to be street sweepers have tried their best to create splish splash, it's not working for them, and going forward as time progresses more and more educated and qualified people will come forward to take part in Politics.

 

[Iltutmish]

Sorry but vast majority of Muslims support their own countries which is why we have 40 Muslim countries. And inside Pakistan most voters go along ethnic or regional based parties. Those are the facts. You can dream what you want.

Yes and secularism and ethnocentrism will destroy our baby. Please, what was the purpose of creating Pakistan? Having a country for Muslims! Two-nation-theory and stuff like that you know? The Two-nation-theory describes the nations of Hindus and Muslims. Not Pakistan and India. Take away Islam from Pakistan and you have another infighting sh*thole with no identity where families reject marriage proposals for not sharing the same (great) grandfather.

Is't Pakistan the first Islamic republic of the world? So Islam is being tried the last 73 years

Islam was never tried. I know a phrase you commies use a lot to defend your favorite dictator, but in Islams cases it wasn't really tried. For most is just a cultural affliation with no real meaning. They will act Islamic when it suits them and go for a drink the other day.

 

[hussain0216]

Ethnocentrism has been a disaster, rather then think for the country,these people create fassad just for the sake of a brand of toxic politics

PTI at the moment is the only party that can be considered national

And it's another reason why we need to back and support IK


PTI really needs to present itself as the patriotic party

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Islam was never tried. I know a phrase you commies use a lot to defend your favorite dictator, but in Islams cases it wasn't really tried. For most is just a cultural affliation with no real meaning. They will act Islamic when it suits them and go for a drink the other day.

Give me some examples of successful Islamic governments from 1900 onwards...or even 1800 onwards or 1750 onwards (start of the Industrial Revolution and the modern world)

 

[Norwegian]

Often on PDF ethnocentrism is used as something that is rare and even un patriotic. But let's look at some facts on the ground. The reality is most of Pakistan today votes along ethnocentric lines either implicity or explicitly.

For decades Karachi Mohajirs have voted for what is unashamedly MQM. There was nothing nuanced about this. MQM stood for rights of the Indian migrants and it's voting pattern manifested ethnocentrism decade after dfecade. Later there was some miserable attempt to hide this but everybody knows what MQM stands for.

Then we have PPP which over the decades has refined itself to be a party of Sindhi mostly dominating interior Sindh and thus can be seen as the "other" to MQM.

PML-N is actually today a Lahore centred Punjabi party clustered around the GT belt with Punjabi trading class of Kashmiri background dominating it. This is why PML-N often is accused of spending most of development funds on Lahore.

PTI gained its traction in Khyber Pakhtunkwa and indeed formed it's first porovincial government there in 2013. That pattern has persisted although it managed to spill into neighbouring Punjab districts particularly the Seraiki belt. But should it lose you will see it retract to it's base in K-Pk. Yes it gained some seats in Karachi but that was probably lot to do with establishment help and Altaf bhai being squeezed out by the rangers.

Balochistan always gets a clear division along Baloch or Pakhtun based parties. So the reality is in 2021 Pakistani politics is dominated by electorate who vote along parachial or ethnocentric or regional based parties.


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Correct observation. First split of East Pakistan happened because of ethnocentrism as well.

One solution: Islam.

Islam couldn't hold Caliphate together for long.

And the sky is blue and water is wet.

Oh btw , MQM 2.0 in Karachi inshallah.. Most of us have realized that giving PTI seats in Karachi was a mistake.

Inshallah 2023 would change that.

Jiye Muhajir.

How will Muhajirs solve Karachis problem without being part of Sindh govt?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Islam couldn't hold Caliphate together for long.

It did. For exactly 29 years. Until it ended in blood/gore. For the rest of 1,400 years it has tried.

How will Muhajirs solve Karachis problem without being part of Sindh govt?

By burning a few Baldia factories or imposing bhatta tax or "chini slicing".

 

[TNT]

Often on PDF ethnocentrism is used as something that is rare and even un patriotic. But let's look at some facts on the ground. The reality is most of Pakistan today votes along ethnocentric lines either implicity or explicitly.

For decades Karachi Mohajirs have voted for what is unashamedly MQM. There was nothing nuanced about this. MQM stood for rights of the Indian migrants and it's voting pattern manifested ethnocentrism decade after dfecade. Later there was some miserable attempt to hide this but everybody knows what MQM stands for.

Then we have PPP which over the decades has refined itself to be a party of Sindhi mostly dominating interior Sindh and thus can be seen as the "other" to MQM.

PML-N is actually today a Lahore centred Punjabi party clustered around the GT belt with Punjabi trading class of Kashmiri background dominating it. This is why PML-N often is accused of spending most of development funds on Lahore.

PTI gained its traction in Khyber Pakhtunkwa and indeed formed it's first porovincial government there in 2013. That pattern has persisted although it managed to spill into neighbouring Punjab districts particularly the Seraiki belt. But should it lose you will see it retract to it's base in K-Pk. Yes it gained some seats in Karachi but that was probably lot to do with establishment help and Altaf bhai being squeezed out by the rangers.

Balochistan always gets a clear division along Baloch or Pakhtun based parties. So the reality is in 2021 Pakistani politics is dominated by electorate who vote along parachial or ethnocentric or regional based parties.


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Pakistan was made for the muslims of subcontinent and those muslims who migrated from india have equal rights as locals. Every country is divided based on ethnicities, show me one country which is not. It depends if that diversity is used as a strength or causes division. With mentality like urs, even if u remove muhajirs, the other many ethnicities will fight each other as in past.
Also PTI is not an ethnic party, though it did win first in KPK. People of KpK are the most accommodating and open minded, we have had govts of ANP, PPP, PMLN, mullahs, PTI. We have tried every party and all failed.

 

[Vapnope]

This was supposed to be a good discussion thread but already blatant racism is being shown towards the "other" Pakistanis.

 

[Norwegian]

It did. For exactly 29 years

You call 29 years long?
Pakistan also split in less than 30 years as it was also created on Islamic ideology

 

[Iltutmish]

Give me some examples of successful Islamic governments from 1900 onwards...or even 1800 onwards or 1750 onwards (start of the Industrial Revolution and the modern world)

Empires come and go. Nothing is for eternity. By 1750 the Western imperialists (not using this word in a negative way) have started the colonization process already and Islamic powers were in decline. It's not Islams fault, the same religion that gave us enough power to overrun global powers few centuries earlier.

Islam couldn't hold Caliphate together for long.

Are you even Muslim? Or are you an "I-am-a-Norwegian-trust-me-bro-my-brown-skin-is-a-just-tan"-Pakistani? You can learn from history. My take on the caliphate is that Allah showed us that NOBODY is perfect, we are all capable of making mistakes, even the first Muslims. You can cry all day long why the Rashidun caliphate lasted for 30 years or try to act on the path of the Prophet (PBUH).

Pakistan also split in less than 30 years as it was also created on Islamic ideology

Are you a data scientists or something?

Pakistani Islam = Islam, Islam when we can opress our own children but all hail Murree Brewery when we can get a Rupee or two from that. Yes, totally Islam is at fault here.