Poland Welcomes Increased British Military Presence

[nangyale]

There was once a way of thinking pore them they didnt do it becose they wonted they are attacking others but we need to make a peaceful solution we need to talk talk ask them to stop .... And bam We had a WW2

Thatswhy every effort should be made to stop further expansion of NATO.

By the way I like the way you say "becose", that's so very Slavic.

 

[bobo6661]

why only 1000 solders ?
truest me bro @bobo6661 just like last time when shit will hit fan, these people will be first ones who who 'll run away from the battle field. thank god that your country have very strong and powerful Military.

Don't think anyone will run away it will be a withdraw;p And we dont have a strong military vs russia We lack long/middle range air defence ... And much more.

Thatswhy every effort should be made to stop further expansion of NATO.

Yes yes we should dismiss Nato and every one will live happy and war will end ...

 

[nangyale]

Yes yes we should dismiss Nato and every one will live happy ...

Don't know about happiness but for sure it would contribute greatly towards world peace and stability.

 

[mike2000 is back]

I don't represent any government, European or otherwise. When did I say that I speak for any country?
I only expressed a desire for peace.
and it's not just me there are plenty of people in and around Europe who wish for a stop from this constant warmongering. Don't take my word for it. Here's an open letter from prominent Germans, who's words hold a lot more credibility than a nobody like yourself.

Prominent German Signatories – Open Letter: Another war in Europe? Not in our name!

First posted on, and translated by, the website War Is A Crime.org


Letter published first in the german newspaper DIE ZEIT on December 5th, 2014

https://cooptv.wordpress.com/2014/1...tories-another-war-in-europe-not-in-our-name/

Nobody wants war. But North America, the European Union and Russia are inevitably drifting towards war if they do not finally halt the disastrous spiral of threat and counter-threat. All Europeans, Russia included, jointly hold responsibility for peace and security. Only those who do not lose sight of this goal are avoiding irrational turns.

The Ukraine-conflict shows that the addiction to power and domination has not been overcome. 1990 at the end of the Cold War, we were all hoping for that. But the successes of the policy of detente and the peaceful revolutions have made us sleepy and careless, in the East and the West alike. For US-Americans, Europeans and Russians the guiding principle to banish war permanently from their relations has been lost. Otherwise, the for Russia threatening expansion of the West to the East, without simultaneously deepening cooperation with Moscow, as well as the illegal annexation of the Crimea by Putin, can not be explained.

In this moment of great danger for the continent, Germany has a special responsibility for the maintenance of peace. Without the will for reconciliation from the Russia people, without the foresight of Mikhail Gorbachev, without the support of our Western allies and without the prudent action by the then Federal Government, the division of Europe would not have been overcome. To allow German unification to peacefully evolve was a great gesture, shaped by reason from the victorious powers. It was a decision of historic proportions.

From overcoming the division in Europe a solid European peace and security order from Vancouver to Vladivostok should have developed, as it had been agreed to by all 35 Heads of State and Government of the CSCE Member States in November 1990 in the “Charter of Paris for a New Europe”. On the basis of agreed established principles and through first concrete measures a “Common European Home” was supposed to be established, in which all the States concerned should have equal security. This post-war policy goal has to this day not been redeemed. The people of Europe have to live again in fear.

We, the undersigned, appeal to the federal government of Germany to assume their responsibility for peace in Europe. We need a new policy of détente in Europe. This is only possible on the basis of equal security for all with equal and mutually respected partners. The German government is not following a “unique German path”, if they continue to call, in this stalemated situation, for calm and dialogue with Russia. The Russians’ security requirements are as legitimate and just as important as those of the Germans, the Poles, the Baltic States and Ukraine..

We should not look to push Russia out of Europe. That would be unhistorical, unreasonable and dangerous for peace. Ever since the Congress of Vienna in 1814 Russia has been recognized as one of the global players in Europe. All who have tried to violently change that have failed bloody – the last time it was the megalomaniac Hitler’s Germany that set about a murderous campaign to conquer Russia in 1941.

We call upon the Members of the German Bundestag, delegated by the people to deal appropriately with the seriousness of the situation, to attentively preside over the peace obligation of their government. He, who props up a bogeyman ascribing blame to one side alone, exacerbates tensions at a time when the signals should call for de-escalation. Inclusion instead of exclusion should be the leitmotif for German politicians.

We appeal to the media to comply with their obligations for nonbiased reporting, more convincingly, than they have thus done. Editorialists and commentators demonize whole nations, without crediting their history. Every able foreign policy journalist will understand the fear of the Russians, since NATO members in 2008, invited Georgia and Ukraine to become members of the alliance. It’s not about Putin. State leaders come and go. What is at stake is Europe. It’s about taking away the people’s fear of war. Towards this purpose, a responsible media coverage based on solid research can help a lot.

On October 3, 1990, on the Day to Commemorate German Reunification, German President Richard von Weizsäcker said: “The Cold War is overcome; freedom and democracy will soon be put in place in all countries … Now they can conduct their relationships within a compact and secure institutional framework, from which a common life and peace order can arise. For the people of Europe a completely new chapter in their history begins. The goal is a Pan-European project. This is a huge challenge. We can archive it, but we can also fail. We face the clear alternative to unite Europe, or in line with painful historical examples, to fall back again into nationalist conflicts in Europe. “

Until the Ukraine conflict we thought we here in Europe were on the right track. Today, a quarter of a century later, Richard von Weizsäcker’s words are more relevant than ever.

Signatories:

Mario Adorf, Actor
Robert Antretter (Former Member of German Parliament)
Prof. Dr. Wilfried Bergmann (Vice-President Alma Mater Europaea)
Luitpold Prinz von Bayern (Königliche Holding und Lizenz KG)
Achim von Borries (Regisseur und Drehbuchautor)
Klaus Maria Brandauer (Schauspieler, Regisseur)
Dr. Eckhard Cordes (Chair of Ost-Ausschuss der Deutschen Wirtschaft)
Prof. Dr. Herta Däubler-Gmelin (Former Federal Minister of Justice)
Eberhard Diepgen (Former Mayor of Berlin)
Dr. Klaus von Dohnanyi (First Mayor der Freien und Hansestadt Hamburg)
Alexander van Dülmen (Vorstand A-Company Filmed Entertainment AG)
Stefan Dürr (Geschäftsführender Gesellschafter und CEO Ekosem-Agrar GmbH)
Dr. Erhard Eppler ( Former Federal Minister for Development)
Prof. Dr. Dr. Heino Falcke (Propst i.R.)
Prof. Hans-Joachim Frey (Vorstandsvorsitzender Semper Opernball Dresden)
Pater Anselm Grün (Pater)
Sibylle Havemann (Berlin)
Dr. Roman Herzog (Former President of Federal Republic Germany)
Christoph Hein (author)
Dr. Dr. h.c. Burkhard Hirsch (Former Vice-President of Federal Parliament)
Volker Hörner (Akademiedirektor i.R.)
Josef Jacobi (Biobauer)
Dr. Sigmund Jähn (Former Astronaut)
Uli Jörges (Journalist)
Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Margot Käßmann (ehemalige EKD Ratsvorsitzende und Bischöfin)
Dr. Andrea von Knoop (Moskau)
Prof. Dr. Gabriele Krone-Schmalz (Former Correspondent ARD in Moskau)
Friedrich Küppersbusch (Journalist)
Vera Gräfin von Lehndorff (artist)
Irina Liebmann (author)
Dr. h.c. Lothar de Maizière (Former Minister-President)
Stephan Märki (Intendant des Theaters Bern)
Prof. Dr. Klaus Mangold (Chairman Mangold Consulting GmbH)
Reinhard und Hella Mey (Liedermacher)
Ruth Misselwitz (evangelische Pfarrerin Pankow)
Klaus Prömpers (Journalist)
Prof. Dr. Konrad Raiser (eh. Generalsekretär des Ökumenischen Weltrates der Kirchen)
Jim Rakete (Fotograf)
Gerhard Rein (Journalist)
Michael Röskau (Ministerialdirigent a.D.)
Eugen Ruge (Schriftsteller)
Dr. h.c. Otto Schily (Former Federal Minister of the Interior)
Dr. h.c. Friedrich Schorlemmer (ev. Theologe, Bürgerrechtler)
Georg Schramm (Kabarettist)
Gerhard Schröder (Former Head of Government, Bundeskanzler a.D.)
Philipp von Schulthess (Schauspieler)
Ingo Schulze (author)
Hanna Schygulla (actor, singer)
Dr. Dieter Spöri (Former Federal Minister of Economy)
Prof. Dr. Fulbert Steffensky (kath. Theologe)
Dr. Wolf-D. Stelzner (geschäftsführender Gesellschafter: WDS-Institut für Analysen in Kulturen mbH)
Dr. Manfred Stolpe (Former Minister-President)
Dr. Ernst-Jörg von Studnitz (Former Ambassador)
Prof. Dr. Walther Stützle (Staatssekretär der Verteidigung a.D.)
Prof. Dr. Christian R. Supthut (Vorstandsmitglied a.D. )
Prof. Dr. h.c. Horst Teltschik (Former Chancellor advisor for Security and Foreign Policy)
Andres Veiel (Regisseur)
Dr. Hans-Jochen Vogel (Former Federal Minister of Justice)
Dr. Antje Vollmer (Former Vice President of the Bunderstag)
Bärbel Wartenberg-Potter (Bischöfin Lübeck a.D.)
Dr. Ernst Ulrich von Weizsäcker (scientist)
Wim Wenders (Regisseur)
Hans-Eckardt Wenzel (songwriter)
Gerhard Wolf (Schriftsteller, Verleger)

LOL What's that about? You are picking on what some few (ex)officials,members of public, scientists etc said about some delusional dreams they might have for world peace as a justification for how European powers should run their foreign policy? Old boyyyyy......you are soooo far off from how things works in the REAL WORLD we live in(especially geo politics).
Using your logic, we in Britain should follow what some minorities here say like leftists Corbyn and unilaterally disarm/completely scrap our nuclear weapons,submarines and most of negotiate with ISIS and not use violence to tackle terrorists who intend to kill civilians here or wherever they might be.
We all know these are all fantasies about living a fairy tail world were every country is united and where we all live happily ever after. lol As much as i also dream about that, but i am a realist not a dreamer, and i know that by nature Humans are naturally competitive beings. So if you want world unity,peace and ever lasting hugs then we will have to get rid of all human beings on the surface of earth. Since it WILL NEVER BE POSSIBLE AS LONG AS WE INHABIT this planet. Sad but true.

An example can be seen in the highlighted parts some leftists/day dreamers you yourself highlighted in bold above which says:'The Russians’ security requirements are as legitimate and just as important as those of the Germans, the Poles, the Baltic States and Ukraine'.
This even justifies my point even more. European countries/powers have as much right to expand/cooperate with ANY country they want as long as both parties are willing to cooperate/ally or partner with each other, this shouldn't be a problem neither should it be your Russian Patrons business as well. Just like i believe Russia has legitimate reasons to expand by annexing Crimea, arming its proxies in Eastern Ukraine, intervening in Syria, coercing/setting up military bases in its former client states/colonies like Armenia, Belarus,Georgia,Karzakhstan,Moldova, Tajikistan, kyrgystan etc etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_military_bases_abroad

I am not blaming Russia though, since i know they re doing what is in their best interests BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY,just like i dont blame them that much for killing a British citizen in London itself who was detrimental to their interests/state secrets . Thats geo politics for you, its a dirty game and has always been a dirty game, it will keep being for centuries to come, WHETHER SOME OF US LIKE IT OR NOT.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/putins-agents-accused-killing-litvinenko-7235817
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ved-litvinenko-murder-u-k-judge-says-ijo2dtrh
As i said before on here, you cant blame western powers/NATO simply because we have the upper hand/more stronger today. It's a battle between big powers for their own interests around the world. For some people like you in the developing world who seem to think it's easier to blame the west simply because they are the stronger party today while all other countries/powers are some sort of saints who have never done any harm to anyone is a wrong/biased approach. lol If Russia had the means like during its soviet times it will be doing the same if not worse.

I do appreciate your dream for world peace and unity though, it's a nice/welcome DREAM.

Yes yes we should dismiss Nato and every one will live happy and war will end ...

LOL Not just that bro. We should unilaterally disarm as well and disband our armies like some claim. That way the world will live happily ever after and there will be no conflicts. I have heard that several times from some funny people.

 

[Blue Marlin]

@bobo6661 @Blue Marlin @mike2000 is back @flamer84 @waz @Abingdonboy @Steve781
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Polish and British defense officials say there are plans for a stronger British military presence in Poland to reassure members on NATO's eastern flank concerned about Russia's resurgence.

But Warsaw and London are giving mixed messages on the exact nature of Britain's involvement.

Polish Defense Minister Antoni Macierewicz said in a broadcast late Thursday that there will be a "permanent presence" of some 1,000 British troops in Poland starting next year.

But Britain's Ministry of Defense said Friday that Britain will send 1,000 troops to exercises in Poland this year and 1,000 to join a Polish-led NATO high-readiness task force in 2020. The task force will be led by a different NATO country every year, so the British commitment to Poland would just be for 2020.

Macierewicz's comments came after he held talks in Edinburgh with British Defense Minister Michael Fallon and the two declared their cooperation in strengthening NATO's eastern flank.

Poland, a former Soviet satellite state, has been seeking a greater presence of NATO troops on its soil in light of Russian actions in Ukraine, and hopes to achieve new commitments at a NATO summit in Warsaw in July.

Fallon, in an interview with Polish state media Wednesday, said Britain plans to increase the number of troops it sends regularly to Poland.

"We are looking at a more persistent presence in Poland, so there is almost a continuous rotation of British army units in Poland and visits by our ships," Mallon said.

Attempts by the AP to get further details Friday from the Polish Defense Ministry were unsuccessful.

Poland Welcomes Increased British Military Presence - ABC News

you tag me but i dont get the notification

 

[nangyale]

LOL What's that about? You are picking on what some few (ex)officials,members of public, scientists etc said about some delusional dreams they might have for world peace as a justification for how European powers should run their foreign policy? Old boyyyyy......you are soooo far off from how things works in the REAL WORLD we live in(especially geo politics).
Using your logic, we in Britain should follow what some minorities here say like leftists Corbyn and unilaterally disarm/completely scrap our nuclear weapons,submarines and most of negotiate with ISIS and not use violence to tackle terrorists who intend to kill civilians here or wherever they might be.
We all know these are all fantasies about living a fairy tail world were every country is united and where we all live happily ever after. lol As much as i also dream about that, but i am a realist not a dreamer, and i know that by nature Humans are naturally competitive beings. So if you want world unity,peace and ever lasting hugs then we will have to get rid of all human beings on the surface of earth. Since it WILL NEVER BE POSSIBLE AS LONG AS WE INHABIT this planet. Sad but true.

To start with let's make something clear, I don't represent or pretend to represent any gov or country and neither do you. The letter I shared in this thread is from people who have a lot of experience, have represented or are representing very important segments of German society. In short they are no day-dreamers or leftie loonies as you want to represent them. They are speaking/writing not because of their love for Russia but out of respect for basic human decency and for the rule of law. So don't pretend that in any way you have more credibility or intellect than even a single one of the people who signed that letter.
Coming to your rants about Corbyn and nuclear weapons, maybe you can tell me who manufacture the trident missiles, where does the guidance system and communication links come from, how much is the replacement gonna cost and do the people (where the weapons are based) want them there?

An example can be seen in the highlighted parts some leftists/day dreamers you yourself highlighted in bold above which says:'The Russians’ security requirements are as legitimate and just as important as those of the Germans, the Poles, the Baltic States and Ukraine'.
This even justifies my point even more. European countries/powers have as much right to expand/cooperate with ANY country they want as long as both parties are willing to cooperate/ally or partner with each other, this shouldn't be a problem neither should it be your Russian Patrons business as well. Just like i believe Russia has legitimate reasons to expand by annexing Crimea, arming its proxies in Eastern Ukraine, intervening in Syria, coercing/setting up military bases in its former client states/colonies like Armenia, Belarus,Georgia,Karzakhstan,Moldova, Tajikistan, kyrgystan etc etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_military_bases_abroad

I am not blaming Russia though, since i know they re doing what is in their best interests BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY,just like i dont blame them that much for killing a British citizen in London itself who was detrimental to their interests/state secrets . Thats geo politics for you, its a dirty game and has always been a dirty game, it will keep being for centuries to come, WHETHER SOME OF US LIKE IT OR NOT.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/putins-agents-accused-killing-litvinenko-7235817
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ved-litvinenko-murder-u-k-judge-says-ijo2dtrh

Let me clarify again I don't have any patrons or benefactors. What I write here is not because I am paid to do but because I believe that people should be informed and an alternative picture should be presented to the public.
As far the right of the Europeans to expand goes..................well first of all it's not the Europeans who are expanding..............it's NATO........which is an American led/dominated alliance. You are at best a minor ally nothing more.
Second at the end of the cold war the Russians were promised that there will be no more expansion of NATO, as explained in here
After speaking with many of those involved and examining previously classified British and German documents in detail, SPIEGEL has concluded that there was no doubt that the West did everything it could to give the Soviets the impression that NATO membership was out of the question for countries like Poland, Hungary or Czechoslovakia.


On Feb. 10, 1990, between 4 and 6:30 p.m., Genscher spoke with Shevardnadze. According to the German record of the conversation, which was only recently declassified, Genscher said: "We are aware that NATO membership for a unified Germany raises complicated questions. For us, however, one thing is certain: NATO will not expand to the east." And because the conversion revolved mainly around East Germany, Genscher added explicitly: "As far as the non-expansion of NATO is concerned, this also applies in general."


Shevardnadze replied that he believed "everything the minister (Genscher) said."
http://www.spiegel.de/international...est-break-its-promise-to-moscow-a-663315.html

that promise hasn't been kept. They kept on reminding NATO about it's promises but they didn't listen............kept on expanding it towards Russia border so much so that the Russians finally had to respond militarily.
Make no mistake here the Russians don't want to start a military adventure but if they are pushed and lied to the same way that the West has been lying to the whole world then there will be consequences..........and it's these consequences that is making people take note and say "not in our name".

As i said before on here, you cant blame western powers/NATO simply because we have the upper hand/more stronger today. It's a battle between big powers for their own interests around the world. For some people like you in the developing world who seem to think it's easier to blame the west simply because they are the stronger party today while all other countries/powers are some sort of saints who have never done any harm to anyone is a wrong/biased approach. lol If Russia had the means like during its soviet times it will be doing the same if not worse.

I do appreciate your dream for world peace and unity though, it's a nice/welcome DREAM.

And then these same countries go around the world preaching the "rule of law" and the "international democratic system". Seems like what you are preaching here is the plain old might is right, law of the jungle. As in " we have the upper hand/more stronger today".
You sure is this who the West represents itself today or is it more of a reflection of your nature/personality.

The world sure did move away from thuggery and colonialism after the two disastrous world wars, we empowered international institutions and promised to adhere to some basic principals of international laws and respect for human decency. Let me ask you then Is it that the West really has lost all decency or is it just you?

Russia does have the means and capabilities to crush any of your minions in Eastern Europe, be it Georgia, Ukraine or any other and there's nothing your grand alliance can do about it. The reason why it doesn't, is because it wants to give peace a chance and let the world see who the thug and aggressor is.