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Plan E For Afghanistan



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A rough alignment (circled) of the road built by India, which connects Zaranj in Iran with the town of Delaram, on Afghanistan's main Kabul-Kandahar-Herat garland highway.


Business Standard, 5th Oct 2010

Robert Blackwill, former US ambassador to India and later New Delhi’s lobbyist in Washington, has stirred up a heated debate with his now famous Plan B for Afghanistan. This involves effectively partitioning the country, with Pashtun-predominant southern Afghanistan ceded to the Taliban and, by proxy, to Pakistan. A US-Nato force of some 40,000 soldiers, down from 150,000 today, would confine itself to northern Afghanistan. Throwing one child to the wolf, Blackwill apparently believes, might save the other.



Plan B, or so the argument goes, would satisfy everyone who counts: the Taliban, which would re-establish control over their homeland; Pakistan, because its proxy control over southern Afghanistan would satisfy its quest for “strategic depth”; the US, which would remain a significant power in south and central Asia without a crippling price in blood and treasure (currently 700-1000 soldiers dead and $100 billion spent each year); Nato, because of its namby-pamby preference for stationing European soldiers in non-combat or low-combat areas; and India, because of Pakistan’s reduced capacity to extract US tolerance for India-directed terror.

While acknowledging that Plan B has its drawbacks — notably the abandonment of non-Pashtun groups, non-Taliban militias, and womenfolk in southern Afghanistan to the mercy of the Taliban — Blackwill points out that Plan A, i.e. the current surge of US troops, has changed little in Afghanistan. Therefore, by summer 2011, with US elections looming, Congressmen will be debating the even more disastrous Plan C: the withdrawal of all foreign troops within a couple of years.



Even as the US policy debate centres on a minimally damaging withdrawal, India’s moribund strategic community remains in denial, chanting the mantra that if the US does ever pull the bulk of its forces out of Afghanistan, it will be too far in the future to worry about presently. This delusion stems from New Delhi’s self-defeating apprehension that it would be left without options in a Taliban-controlled Afghanistan.

This illusion of Indian helplessness, paradoxically, enjoys greater currency in India than it does abroad. While Pakistan realises how much India’s influence is expanding, New Delhi focuses on the negatives: there is no Ahmed Shah Masood, around whom anti-Taliban forces can coalesce, 1990s-style, nor for that matter a coherent Northern Alliance. With the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) controlling swathes of northern and central Afghanistan, India has little opportunity for resuscitating Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara militias. And while Moscow and Teheran still share India’s revulsion to a resurgent Taliban, they are less willing now to work jointly in undermining the Taliban. 2010, New Delhi concludes, is very different from 1996.




This unnecessarily gloomy Indian view of Afghanistan springs from our traditional view of influence as a function of hard power, of bayonets and boots on the ground, the more the better. In Afghanistan, however, this last decade has delivered one unmistakeable lesson: hard power is not the answer. In the alternative currency of soft power, India’s nine-year-long, $1.3 billion humanitarian and development aid programme has created a powerful equity in Afghanistan.

Indian confidence in this intangible, but nevertheless real, asset must guide our strategy in Afghanistan. Our alternative to Blackwill’s Plan B is Plan E — Exit Now. Counter-intuitively, India has more to gain than lose from an immediate US withdrawal.

America’s pullout from Afghanistan will immediately deprive the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban, Al Qaeda, and a smorgasbord of other radical groups of the glue of a common enemy. Inevitably, driven by the contradictions within their unholy alliance, they will turn their hostility upon one another. A key loser in this fratricidal game will be the traditional referee, the Pakistan Army.

As the Taliban imposes its writ across Afghanistan and Pakistan’s noose tightens, resentment will start to build. In the 1990s, Taliban-imposed order seemed preferable to many Afghans than the outright anarchy and indiscriminate killing and destruction that characterised the post-Soviet “mujahideen” power struggles. The Karzai government, despite its corruption and ineffectualness, would contrast favourably with the Taliban’s religious totalitarianism. As for the “foreign domination” that Afghans cite while railing against the ISAF, none of those free-spirited citizens have any illusions about the Taliban’s dependence on Pakistan. The traditional Afghan resentment of Pakistan would bubble up to the surface.

A popular argument from India’s strategic elite is that Afghanistan would provide a training ground for India-bound terrorists. This is outdated; today, Pakistan is the terror training academy not just for India-focused jehadis, but for a wide assortment of Islamist radicals with grievances against the US, Europe, Russia, Central Asian countries like Uzbekistan, even China. A resurrected Taliban regime could hardly offer better-located training grounds than those around Sialkot and Peshawar.

An American pullout from Afghanistan would free the US military to strike at Pakistan-harboured terrorist groups, something that Pakistan’s control over logistical routes into Afghanistan prevents today. A key element of Blackwill’s Plan B is the retention of US troops in northern Afghanistan for strikes into Pakistani tribal areas; paradoxically, though, America’s continued logistic dependence on Pakistan would hold back effective action. This conundrum would only be resolved through a major American diplomatic breakthrough with countries (Iran, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan) that could offer alternative supply routes or bases. For differing reasons, that seems unlikely to happen.

“The Pope”, Joseph Stalin once sneered, “How many divisions does the Pope have?” But that was in a different era. Today, New Delhi would exercise influence in Afghanistan, even without a physical presence. The heavy lifting for that has already been done; it is time now to act with confidence.



Broadsword: Plan E for Afghanistan
 
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Ahmadinajad just went and opened the supply route for NATO and he said you are more then welcomed to come in and supply the troops via IRAN.

And NATO walked out on him recently in UN

Case closed whats plan F?

oh I know FAIL
 
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haha imagine then what if Iran block the supply route :smokin:

Plan MI- Mission Impossible :D
 
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i am thinking about the poor Afghani's after America pullout

PLAN BSA-Back to Stone Age
 
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Stupid plan. The real plan is what Pakistan advised the US right after 9/11. Don't strengthen the other ethnic groups, strengthen the Pashtuns.

But the US believed that all Pashtuns are Taliban just by the way they look like and decided to support smaller factions in the hope they could control the Pashtuns.

Support the Pashtuns to re-emerge as the true power bearers of Afghanistan and they themselves would remove the Taliban from control and make a proper Pashtun centric Afghanistan.

Till Pashtuns are equated with the Taliban, they will all become the Taliban. Just like NA was propped against the Taliban, there are a few groups ready amongst the Pashtuns to take on the Taliban, they should be supported.
 
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Another master piece of BENNY!

Here is my master plan.
India keep out of Afghanistan.

India stop dreaming to wipe Pakistan first in partnership with Russia and now in partnership with USA.

India stop funding, arming and training local terrorist groups.

Mother of all problems in Asia = India..

Wonder why India was constantly invaded??

Because of its classic back stab and looting politics.

The biggest failure of USA is to help establish minority control over majority while forgetting that Afghanistan is the ethnic homeland of Pashtuns not Tajiks, Uzbecks and dozen of other ethinic groups living in Afghanistan today. When they can get out of their delusion of equating every Pashutun as a taliban is the day US policy will finally pickup the right direction. Currently their campaign in Afghanistan is no different than European campaign against the Red Indians of America. Driving our an ethinic majority from their own homeland in preference of migrated ethnicities.
 
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Another master piece of BENNY!

Here is my master plan.
India keep out of Afghanistan.

India stop dreaming to wipe Pakistan first in partnership with Russia and now in partnership with USA.

India stop funding, arming and training local terrorist groups.

Mother of all problems in Asia = India..

Wonder why India was constantly invaded??

Because of its classic back stab and looting politics.

The biggest failure of USA is to help establish minority control over majority while forgetting that Afghanistan is the ethnic homeland of Pashtuns not Tajiks, Uzbecks and dozen of other ethinic groups living in Afghanistan today. When they can get out of their delusion of equating every Pashutun as a taliban is the day US policy will finally pickup the right direction. Currently their campaign in Afghanistan is no different than European campaign against the Red Indians of America. Driving our an ethinic majority from their own homeland in preference of migrated ethnicities.

No need to discuss facts buddy these indians they write when they are drunk....:pakistan:

what a waist of time ......

:pakistan:
 
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Another master piece of BENNY!

Here is my master plan.
India keep out of Afghanistan.

India stop dreaming to wipe Pakistan first in partnership with Russia and now in partnership with USA.

India stop funding, arming and training local terrorist groups.

Mother of all problems in Asia = India..

Wonder why India was constantly invaded??

Because of its classic back stab and looting politics.

The biggest failure of USA is to help establish minority control over majority while forgetting that Afghanistan is the ethnic homeland of Pashtuns not Tajiks, Uzbecks and dozen of other ethinic groups living in Afghanistan today. When they can get out of their delusion of equating every Pashutun as a taliban is the day US policy will finally pickup the right direction. Currently their campaign in Afghanistan is no different than European campaign against the Red Indians of America. Driving our an ethinic majority from their own homeland in preference of migrated ethnicities.

forget about pashtoons of afghanistan and sympathy with them. your army is killing your own pashtons, havent we seen the various videos panjabi soldiers torturing pashtoon pakistanis? by the way, Rustam Shah Mohmand the ambasador of pakistan in afghaistan once called on the army to stop massacring the pashtoons. lastly, you pakistanis hate tajiks and others, but at least we recognize your homeland, if pashtoons take the power one sided, they will claim over your pakhtunkhwa, didnt you remember that zahir shah and dawod's governments which were PASHTOON gov, didnt recognize pakistan's independece and the reason was pashtonistan issue.
 
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forget about pashtoons of afghanistan and sympathy with them. your army is killing your own pashtons, havent we seen the various videos panjabi soldiers torturing pashtoon pakistanis? by the way, Rustam Shah Mohmand the ambasador of pakistan in afghaistan once called on the army to stop massacring the pashtoons. lastly, you pakistanis hate tajiks and others, but at least we recognize your homeland, if pashtoons take the power one sided, they will claim over your pakhtunkhwa, didnt you remember that zahir shah and dawod's governments which were PASHTOON gov, didnt recognize pakistan's independece and the reason was pashtonistan issue.



We dont hate tajiks or anyone from Notheren part of your country as long as they do not harm us. Period.


2. You should go and check there are ethnic divisions in Afghanistan itself. You hate Afghanistani Pashtuns and they hate you. (you must have reasons for both sides which in my view related to power struggle since decades)

3. Dont fall to propaganda and make it Punjabi-Pukhtun. Our army is consists of all ethnic groups and Pukhtuns have been on highest ranks and decision makers in the army.
 
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We dont hate tajiks or anyone from Notheren part of your country as long as they do not harm us. Period.


2. You should go and check there are ethnic divisions in Afghanistan itself. You hate Afghanistani Pashtuns and they hate you. (you must have reasons for both sides which in my view related to power struggle since decades)

3. Dont fall to propaganda and make it Punjabi-Pukhtun. Our army is consists of all ethnic groups and Pukhtuns have been on highest ranks and decision makers in the army.

Dear Jana, we dont hate you, have you ever seen me saying anything bad about any particular gourp of pakistanis? but it is quite common in this forum that alot of people talk BS about the other ethnics of afghanistan which is full of hate. yes there are ethnic divisions in afghaistan we all know that, the same thing is in pakistan, but it doestn mean an outsider comes and dictate that all pakistanis should shut up/get out and panjabis are the sole owner of pakistan. if not for pakistan, they shouldnt say it for afghanistan either. we all got problems.
 
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@Ahmad,
Dear please come back to your homeland and fight to free it from Imperial USA. Stop blaming Pakistan for your own ill.. Afghani tribals at best are full of bigotry against anyone including their own men. It was your own misadventure in favourism of Soviets and brotherly ties with India to conquer over Pakistan. And as in any case what we did was defended our self. If during the procession Afghanistan was bombed back to stone age that was due to short sightness of your own leaders. Instead of being jealous do recognise that you are at the mercy of a stronger neighbour with also happens to be a nuclear power. Its not like we are invading Afghanistan and looting your country, we dont even want an inch of such bad karma terriotry. But kindly keep your india backed terrorist to yourself if you want Pakistan to ever consider Afghan situtation seriously.



Nobody should look towards Pakistan with an evil eye!
 
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@Ahmad,
Dear please come back to your homeland and fight to free it from Imperial USA. Stop blaming Pakistan for your own ill.. Afghani tribals at best are full of bigotry against anyone including their own men. It was your own misadventure in favourism of Soviets and brotherly ties with India to conquer over Pakistan. And as in any case what we did was defended our self. If during the procession Afghanistan was bombed back to stone age that was due to short sightness of your own leaders. Instead of being jealous do recognise that you are at the mercy of a stronger neighbour with also happens to be a nuclear power. Its not like we are invading Afghanistan and looting your country, we dont even want an inch of such bad karma terriotry. But kindly keep your india backed terrorist to yourself if you want Pakistan to ever consider Afghan situtation seriously.

Nobody should look towards Pakistan with an evil eye!
dont taunt me because i am not living in afghanistan, that is not very nice, nowdays there are more pakistani asylum seekers in the UK than the afghan asylum seekers, we all got our problems, thats why we have migrated. yes, we are to be blamed for our sitauation, that is a fact, and that is the internal problem, the external problem is other countries which have made our country their battlefield, what chances a very poor and week afghanistan would have in presence of world super powers and regional powers for this last 30 years? secondly, my post was in response to your post regarding the ethnic groups of afghanistan, i again request you to think before you write something, put emotions aside and think straight, it is easy to say whatever comes to our mouth, saying things wisele and sensibly is always best.
 
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