PKK/PYD terrorists use US TOW missiles against Turkish troops in Afrin

[xenon54 out]

I don't watch videos.

And i dont read your propaganda articles.


''YPG isnt terrorist'' yeah right...

https://www.facebook.com/

 

[vizier]

The situation is tense and it can easily be used to ignite a conflict between Turkey and Syria. That is why pyd terror group didnt accept Syrian govt control and handing weapons to Saa and they invited the legitimate operation of Turkey by constant skirmishes and making Afrin a safe haven for pkk and now they call Syria to ignite a fight with Turkey.

Syria needs to stop the pyd convoy entering from Manbij indefinitely. When it exits Manbij through Sy govt controlled territories before it reaches Afrin it could ignite a direct conflict between Turkey and Syria. Because of this possibility Syria can block the entrance. Maybe igniting this conflict is the current israeli-Usa plan by using pyd to make the currently stabilising region back into what it was before.

 

[Cybernetics]

Dispatches
Michael J. Totten

No, the Syrian Kurds are not Terrorists
31 January 2018



On January 20, Turkey invaded the Kurdish region of northwestern Syria to destroy what it calls a terrorist army. No, it is not fighting ISIS. It is, quite the contrary, fighting the American-backed militia that effectively destroyed ISIS and helped liberate the city of Raqqa last October.

According to Turkey’s increasingly authoritarian President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) are a terrorist organization backed by the United States. That sentence right there ought to be enough to make you doubt what Erdogan is selling right now, but perhaps you aren’t sure. Few in the West know much about the YPG. Most Americans have not even heard of it. And if all a person knows about it is that it’s an armed group in Syria, of all places, that a NATO ally calls a terrorist organization, well…Syria is full of terrorists, isn’t it?

Syria is indeed full of terrorists, but the YPG is one of the few armed factions in the war that adheres to moral Western warfighting norms. It’s also one of the precious few factions that’s genuinely pro-Western.

The YPG is backed by the Pentagon and 2,000 American soldiers as part of Washington’s plan to effectively control 28 percent of Syrian territory so that ISIS cannot come back. It’s mostly made up of ethnic Kurds, although there are Arab, Assyrian Christian and foreign fighters mixed into the ranks, including women in the Women’s Protection Units. They are the armed wing of the Democratic Union Party, founded in 2003.

Their ideology isn’t Islamist. It’s leftist. They champion, in their own words, “social equality, justice and the freedom of belief” along with “pluralism and the freedom of political parties.” They hope to implement “a democratic solution that includes the recognition of cultural, national and political rights, and develops and enhances their peaceful struggle to be able to govern themselves in a multicultural, democratic society.” They describe themselves as libertarian socialists, a minority faction within the worldwide socialist movement that rejects one-party rule and authoritarian state control of the economy.

They also ascribe to what they call Communalism, a set of ideas put forth by Abdullah Ocalan, founder of Turkey’s Kurdistan Worker’s Party (PKK). It is here that the YPG gets itself into trouble with Turkey.

Ocalan founded the PKK in 1978 as a Kurdish nationalist separatist movement and a Marxist-Leninist insurgency. Like nearly all communist guerrilla armies—from Peru’s Shining Path to the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia—it was inherently prone to terrorism. While primarily striking Turkish soldiers and police officers, the group has also committed a number of attacks against civilian targets, including a car bomb in Ankara last March that killed dozens and wounded more than 100 and a suicide attack in Istanbul’s Taksim Square in 2010.

The so-called Kurdistan Freedom Hawks (TAK) take credit for some of the worst attacks against Turkey. Experts disagree about whether or not the TAK is linked to the PKK, but at the very least it’s a breakaway faction and is far more linked to the PKK than the YPG in Syria is.

In 1999, Ocalan was arrested in Kenya by Turkish intelligence officers, swiftly dispatched to Turkey and sentenced to death. He’s still alive, though, because Turkey abolished the death penalty, hoping that would boost its chances of being admitted to the European Union. Today Ocalan languishes on Imrali, a penal island in the Sea of Marmara.

While in prison, Ocalan watered down his communist ideology into the so-called libertarian socialism that it is now. And it is this ideology, not the old school quasi-Stalinist one of the PKK’s past, that the YPG adheres to today.

The PKK still behaves as a terrorist organization. Old habits from the 1970s don’t go down easily. The YPG, though, didn’t even exist until 2003. It never went through a communist or a terrorist phase, and it takes its inspiration from the milder version Ocalan promoted after he mellowed in prison.

The YPG is asking for trouble by borrowing anything at all from Abdullah Ocalan, but it has never committed an act of terrorism in Syria or anywhere else, not even at a time when terrorist attacks are as routine as weather in Syria. So while, yes, the YPG and the PKK are ideologically linked, the Turkish government has never been able to identify a single act of terrorism the YPG has ever committed, not in Turkey, not in Syria, nor anywhere else.

One can understand why the YPG gets Erdogan’s hackles up, but gunning for these people makes no more sense than bombing South Africa in the early 1990s because then-President Nelson Mandela used to be a communist, neverminding that his party, the African National Congress, did not even attempt to build a communist state after winning elections.

Whatever you think of the “libertarian socialism” of Syrian Kurdistan, it’s not even in the same time zone as the medieval totalitarianism of ISIS, the secular nationalist tyranny of Assad’s Arab Socialist Baath Party regime in Damascus or the Putin-esque rule of the neo-Ottoman Erdogan.

Turkey can call the Kurds terrorists all they want, but that will not make them so.

Thank you, I read all sources and think I have a rounded understanding of the situation. I feel sympathy for all sides (no hate for either) but my view is more long term geopolitical. It can be a cold perspective.

 

[TurkeyForever]

No one offended the Turk when they startup nearby. Turk is imperialistic and wish to destabilized the region and unfortunately, the wicked Turk dream got support from most Pakistani PDF.

Go cry me a river... Turks soo wicked haha

in my opinion turkey has to sit down and talks to kurds

We did exactly that in Turkey we let them into the parliament and we started peace talks.

They armed themselves during the peace talks in secret and we had problem in several towns in Turkey.

It's difficult to trust them.

Even the kurds in parliament won't say that the pkk or ypg are terrorists.

When USSR Turk land become independent, China never made any noise, despite knowing it will agitate Xinjiang. And many states did not make noise when ethnics minorities start up next door.

Turk is especially wicked and supported by so many Pak PDF. Sad.

Turk support Jihadist who open up sex slave market...etc

Mods do something about this "Yingluck".

Saying turks support jihadist and open sex slave market and keeps saying Turks are wicked all the time.

 

[Timur]

they are doing a good job for now but we should be much more voilent and agressive

I recommend to use death squads (pkk and foreigners) and not to take any pyd alive.. that is the only language they understand.. we should not interfere if FSA captures anyone of those pigs..

No one offended the Turk when they startup nearby. Turk is imperialistic and wish to destabilized the region and unfortunately, the wicked Turk dream got support from most Pakistani PDF.

as long as I see you fart with your fingers I am happy that our forces and the FSA hurts your heart

so I just post you this here hear those xanazir crying

We will make them cry like their fellow terrorist brothers. We should just accelerate the operation to capture mountains immediately !

https://twitter.com/x/status/958001176523497472

 

[HannibalBarca]

You guys are showing Vids and pics of PKK/YPG with Ocalan everywhere... And we know what that means...
But for those guys it's different... they don't understand what it means...when you do so...
It' s normal for them...since most don't know, neither understand the meaning of such actions...

Try to be at their place when you are putting ahead an opinion... and give exemples...

So here for those who can't graps the meaning of this Ocalan-mania...
With this exmple...

What does it make me if I put Hitler or Baghdadi pic all over my room? in every of my songs, praising them? using it as a symbol of resistance? as my flag etc...
Will you let me be around with an ISIS flag... and an army... at your border...

Well... Read about Ocalan, and come back...

FYI... Ocalan was capture in a op with secret services of Turkey-US and Israel... in Kenya...
Seen as a terro by every entities and his organisation PKK

Have fun...

 

[TrMhMt]

Guys don't take this yingluck guy so serious. He is a Thai and that equals to the zero...

Second, he is obviously a militant of red group. This group is recognized as terrorist by Thai government. They have many similarities with Pkk-Ypg. A few years back, they were killing the people, burning the cars and buildings in whole Thailand. They burnt one of the most luxurious and biggest shopping mall out in Bangkok.

The Thai royal army and police started operations against 'em, they were crying to US, UK and China to come and rescue 'em. As you see that they are very alike. Their leader Taksin fled to abroad and his sister "woman in his avatar (even some say she is actually his daughter)" is also did the same thing. Some of so called leaders of red group are sizes and jailed. They have been living in the jail for 6 years.

Those red people are most disliked and hated people in Thailand. They are the Pkk of Thailand. They have murdered million of Thai Muslims in the past when Taksin was ruling the state. So Thai Muslims hate 'em double than a regular Thai. Their past as dark as Pkk.

He seems concerned a lot about sex slaves in Syria more than child sex slaves in Bangkok and Pattaya. What ridiculous this guy is... Those child sex slaves are slaved by Taksin's mafia mob.

I suggest you guys to avoid him and the mods please deal with this terrorist, militant and Pkk lover.

I am a Kurdish member of this forum and I am disgusted by those low life forms...

PS. Do not judge the Thais over this yingluck guy. Thais are very good and friendly but those Chinese origined red militants are one of the lowest life forms.

 

[TurkeyForever]

Guys don't take this yingluck guy so serious. He is a Thai and that equals to the zero...

Second, he is obviously a militant of red group. This group is recognized as terrorist by Thai government. They have many similarities with Pkk-Ypg. A few years back, they were killing the people, burning the cars and buildings in whole Thailand. They burnt one of the most luxurious and biggest shopping mall out in Bangkok.

The Thai royal army and police started operations against 'em, they were crying to US, UK and China to come and rescue 'em. As you see that they are very alike. Their leader Taksin fled to abroad and his sister "woman in his avatar (even some say she is actually his daughter)" is also did the same thing. Some of so called leaders of red group are sizes and jailed. They have been living in the jail for 6 years.

Those red people are most disliked and hated people in Thailand. They are the Pkk of Thailand. They have murdered million of Thai Muslims in the past when Taksin was ruling the state. So Thai Muslims hate 'em double than a regular Thai. Their past as dark as Pkk.

He seems concerned a lot about sex slaves in Syria more than child sex slaves in Bangkok and Pattaya. What ridiculous this guy is... Those child sex slaves are slaved by Taksin's mafia mob.

I suggest you guys to avoid him and the mods please deal with this terrorist, militant and Pkk lover.

I am a Kurdish member of this forum and I am disgusted by those low life forms...

PS. Do not judge the Thais over this yingluck guy. Thais are very good and friendly but those Chinese origined red militants are one of the lowest life forms.

You say you are kurdish but you have thai and turkish flag?

Are you half thai?

Never seen half thai from middle east.

 

[HannibalBarca]

You say you are kurdish but you have thai and turkish flag?

Are you half thai?

Never seen half thai from middle east.

Location: Thai. (maybe)

 

[TurkeyForever]

Location: Thai. (maybe)

He sure knows a lot about Thai terrorists and mafia, I know nothing haha

 

[500]

So far all ATGMs used by Afrin Kurds were Russian/Soviet Konkurs (around 10 launches), except one very unclear TOW video which is probably fake.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Ocalan was capture in a op with secret services of Turkey-US and Israel

The later part is what most people seem to forget. lol

 

[HannibalBarca]

So far all ATGMs used by Afrin Kurds were Russian/Soviet Konkurs (around 10 launches), except one very unclear TOW video which is probably fake.

That mostly not a TOW but a Toophan( Iran Perfect copy of the TOW, where the only difference is the color of 3 rings on tripod)

 

[cabatli_53]

Cat-mouse games over Afrin against US backed terrorists ! Turkish domestic UAV’s are doing great things in operations! The number of terrorists killed, is reached 1500.

https://twitter.com/x/status/963360033387008000

 

[HannibalBarca]

Cat-mouse games over Afrin against US backed terrorists ! Turkish domestic UAV’s are doing great things in operations! The number of terrorists killed, is reached 1500.

https://twitter.com/x/status/963360033387008000

This jeep is the brand new Iranian made "Safira" jeep received last week. (That we saw on twitter with few pics)
Now it's gone...