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PK661: These Are the Reasons Behind the Crash [Analysis]

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Pakistan International Airline’s flight PK661 operating from Chitral to Islamabad on an ATR 42-500 with 42 passengers and 5 crew members crashed yesterday near Havelian, some 80KM north of Benazir Bhutto International Airport.



No one survived the crash.

While it is too early to list down the exact reasons behind the crash, we will try to analyze available information and try to come up with possible reasons for the crash of flight PK661.

What We Know About PK661 Aircraft?

ATR 42-500 is one of the most recent versions of ATR aircraft. Its first delivery was made in 1995 while the flight in question, PK661 with Registration AP-BHO, was delivered to PIA in May 2007.

ATR 42-500 comes with six-bladed propellers powered by PW127E engines rated at 2,400 shp (1,800 kW) for improved hot and high performance and increased cruise speed.

ATR 42-500 engines are certified to be safe, strong and solid performer in a variety of conditions.

It had flown 18,740 hours before it crashed yesterday.

Crashed aircraft details are as following:

  • Aircraft Type: ATR 42-500
  • Manufacturer: ATR
  • Registration: AP-BHO
  • Certificate of Registration Number: 751
  • Registration Date: May 18, 2007
  • Operator/Owner: Pakistan International Airlines (PIA)
  • Construction Number: 663
  • Year Built: 2007
  • First Flight: May 3, 2007
  • Test Flight Registration: F-WWLU
  • Delivery Date: May 14, 2007
  • Aircraft Name: Hasanabdal
Weather Conditions

Weather conditions at the time of crash in the area were quite normal.

Below are weather values for Havelian at the time of the crash:

  • Time of incident: 4:10PM
  • Temperature: 23.0 °C
  • Dew Point: 10.0 °C
  • Humidity: 44%
  • Air Pressure: 1016 hPa
  • Visibility: 16KM
  • Wind Direction: SE
  • Wind speed: 7.4 km/h
  • Conditions: Haze
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Flight Conditions

Azam Saigol, Chairman PIA, confirmed during a press conference that AP-BHO was Class-A checked just one month ago, indicating that the aircraft was in perfect condition.

While there was one instance of engine failure of the same aircraft back in 2014, it was replaced with a new engine and since then AP-BHO had operated smoothly without any issues being reported.

For flight PK661, there were 47 passengers on-board the ATR 42-500, indicating that the plane was pretty much with-in its load capacity.

Chairman PIA confirmed that flight PK661 was piloted by Salehyar Janjua, with flying experience of more than 12,000 hours.

Pilot of ill-fated PK661 had extensive experience of flying in northern areas, which means that he was well versed with the route and conditions where PK661 crashed.

Engine Failure And Ultimately the Crash!

Air Control Tower confirmed that flight PK661 signaled an engine failure at 4:12PM. Till the time the flight PK661 was flying smoothly at 13,375 feet.

However, as soon as the engine failure was reported, aircraft started descending — gradually at first.

Let’s have a look at flight data of PK661:

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Via (FlightRadar24)

The initial descent was gradual and seemingly controlled, until the aircraft reached 12,800 feet. This is when aircraft gained altitude of 50 feet and reached 12,850.

However, it started descending again — in a non-symmetrical manner — and reached 12,175 feet.

Flight PK661 must had become imbalanced by then as it lost irregular altitude during next few moments.

  • Flight started to bump starting 4:12PM — this is when it approached ATC and reported engine failure
  • PK661 kept loosing altitude and lost 2,000 feet (gradually) with-in next 60 seconds
  • Then a free fall and another 1,800 feet were lost with-in a millisecond
  • PK661 Slightly stabled for few miliseconds and then lost another 2,000 with-in a millisecond
  • PK661 fell freely for over 4,000 feet to reach 8,250 feet with-in moments
  • PK661 gained some control and glided for few seconds before another free fall at around 4:13PM before disappearing from the radar
Here is what we are sure about:

  • One engine had failed
  • PK661 fell freely
  • PK661 was damaged structurally
Since PK661 fell freely, we can say with certainty that aircraft was not in-tact and it had lost its shape and failed to glide.

It must be noted here that ATRs can glide even if both engines are switched off / malfunctioned. Since PK661 was flying at around 13,000 feet — had it been in-tact — it could glide some 15-25KMs before hitting the ground.

However, an aircraft will fall freely if there’s any structural damage as hampered aerodynamics will not allow the aircraft to glide with a gradual descent.

Since we know that at least one engine had failed, there’s a chance that it splashed and damaged the wing attached to it, affecting the aerodynamics of the aircraft which ultimately brought it down with-in seconds to and resulted in a crash.

It must be noted here that pilots have a way of shutting down the engine. But before that you need to descend and reduce speed to match the aerodynamics of the situation the aircraft is in, which the pilots did — and is seen in the graph above.

You simply do no shut the problematic engine immediately. Instead, you bring the aircraft to a certain altitude and speed to make sure that the remaining engine is able to handle the load and aerodynamics.

And while the pilot was trying to do so, the failed engine probably caught fire or more likely exploded and damaged the wings.

It must be noted that there are steps involved in stopping a mid flight ATR engine and it includes performing certain checks, such as shutting down the fuel supply, shutting down the engine itself and so on.

Here is what seemingly happened:

  • Engine failed
  • Pilot reduced speed, dropped altitude — clear from above graph
  • Free Fall Due to Structural Damage
    • Pilot shut down the engine and
      • Shut down the malfunctioned engine, however, it was too late and it had exploded before that and damaged the wing
      • Stopped the working engine, and throttled the malfunctioned engine that triggered the explosion and damaged the wing
Here’s what seemingly didn’t happen:

  • Aircraft was a good height/speed, and chances of stall are unlikely
  • Aircraft didn’t run out of fuel, clear from the burns at the crash site
So the information we have so far indicates that the engine exploded and damaged a wing, impacting the aerodynamics and forced the aircraft to fall freely to ground with-in seconds of the incident.

It must be noted that complete details about the PK661 crash, with an authoritative conclusion is only possible after decoding more info from FDR, Cockpit Voice Recorders and other flight data recorders.

Source: https://propakistani.pk/2016/12/08/...alysis/?utm_source=all_users&utm_medium=notif

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The initial descent was gradual and seemingly controlled, until the aircraft reached 12,800 feet. This is when aircraft gained altitude of 50 feet and reached 12,850.

However, it started descending again — in a non-symmetrical manner — and reached 12,175 feet.

Since PK661 fell freely, we can say with certainty that aircraft was not in-tact and it had lost its shape and failed to glide.

It must be noted here that ATRs can glide even if both engines are switched off / malfunctioned. Since PK661 was flying at around 13,000 feet — had it been in-tact — it could glide some 15-25KMs before hitting the ground.


However, an aircraft will fall freely if there’s any structural damage as hampered aerodynamics will not allow the aircraft to glide with a gradual descent.

Since we know that at least one engine had failed, there’s a chance that it splashed and damaged the wing attached to it, affecting the aerodynamics of the aircraft which ultimately brought it down with-in seconds to and resulted in a crash.

And while the pilot was trying to do so, the failed engine probably caught fire or more likely exploded and damaged the wings.


So the information we have so far indicates that the engine exploded and damaged a wing, impacting the aerodynamics and forced the aircraft to fall freely to ground with-in seconds of the incident.

It must be noted that complete details about the PK661 crash, with an authoritative conclusion is only possible after decoding more info from FDR, Cockpit Voice Recorders and other flight data recorders.

Points to be noted.

Engines do not blow up spontaneously, what triggered that explosion?
 
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Most likely the flight controls malfunctioned/failed after engine failure.....
 
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Points to be noted.

Engines do not blow up spontaneously, what triggered that explosion?
Yeah that was what I was to say..... I don't want to think about it but ...maybe it's a sort of conspiracy .....could be against chitral's commissioner..
 
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Yeah that was what I was to say..... I don't want to think about it but ...maybe it's a sort of conspiracy .....could be against chitral's commissioner..
Well I wouldn't jump to conspiracy theories just yet. This particular aircraft in question did have an engine blow up two years ago, which was reportedly replaced with a "new" engine.

So not the first time this happened, but this time took 48 precious souls with it, unfortunately.
 
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Well I wouldn't jump to conspiracy theories just yet. This particular aircraft in question did have an engine blow up two years ago, which was reportedly replaced with a "new" engine.

So not the first time this happened, but this time took 48 precious souls with it, unfortunately.
I was just wondering though I don't believe that.... but yeah engine failures are the most common reasons behind air crashes in Pakistan... let's wait what investigation reveals..
 
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According to media , pilot recited Kalma. It is possible he might have panicked after one engine malfunctioned. Still we should wait for final investigation . But it seems pilot error to me.
This aircraft was fit, just received A class clearance certificate month ago
 
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The ATR-42 was basically unfit for this route. It does not have an Auxilliary Power Unit (APU). APU can be used to supply power when the engine-driven generators fail. Also its not sure whether this aircraft had Ram Air Turbine (RAT). RAT also serves to provide power (electric and/or hydraulic) in case of engine failure. It was a bad choice by PIA. Pakistan has a history of aircraft crashes in the Northern Areas and aircrafts flying on these routes should have emergency backup systems.

http://syed-imran-shah.blogspot.fr/2016/12/dec-7-2016-crash-of-pia-atr-42-aircraft.html
 
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let's wait what investigation reveals..
Dear Sister..... We are living in LaLa land... i m not blaming my country... but the system is crap....
What happened to the crash investigation of COAS Mushaf Ali Mir??? What we know about Air Crash of Gen. Zia ul Haq?? What about Bhoja Air Crash?? What revealed about Air Blue Crash in Islamabad??? and the Foker F-27 in Northern Areas 1989??? Sorry to say but we have the answer NONE for all these air crashes. And believe me after some times this case will also be the same and "Dakhil-e-Daftar".
 
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The ATR-42 was basically unfit for this route. It does not have an Auxilliary Power Unit (APU). APU can be used to supply power when the engine-driven generators fail. Also its not sure whether this aircraft had Ram Air Turbine (RAT). RAT also serves to provide power (electric and/or hydraulic) in case of engine failure. It was a bad choice by PIA. Pakistan has a history of aircraft crashes in the Northern Areas and aircrafts flying on these routes should have emergency backup systems.

http://syed-imran-shah.blogspot.fr/2016/12/dec-7-2016-crash-of-pia-atr-42-aircraft.html

So what would be a reasonable aircraft for this particular route, and similar routes. Anyone?
 
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They are gone to their true place. And even let says if we know the reason for this unfortunately event will somone take action i don't think saw they will jus make somone scapegoat.
 
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