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Pilatus waits on Indian trainer decision - 11/13/2014 - Flight Global
Swiss airframer Pilatus has quickly established itself as a trusted supplier to the Indian air force because of the smooth entry into service and performance of its PC-7 MkII basic trainer aircraft (BTA). As of last month, its in-service examples had exceeded 22,000 flying hours and accumulated well over 42,000 landings.

The last 15 PC-7 MkIIs currently under contract – aircraft numbers 61 to 75 – will be based at air force station Tambaram near the southern Indian city of Chennai. Tambaram will receive its first trainers in June 2015, where they will be used to train flight instructors – a task currently carried out on vintage Hindustan Aeronautics Kiran MkII jet trainers.

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An accelerated delivery schedule has already seen Pilatus deliver 51 trainers under a contract signed with New Delhi in 2012. The remainder are due to be handed over by August next year. Meanwhile, an option clause in the original contract for as many as 38 additional aircraft on top of the original 75 will expire in May, and is likely to be allowed to lapse.

“We want to execute our existing contract on time and to the full satisfaction of the Indian air force,” says Jim Roche, vice-president of government aviation and deputy chief executive at Pilatus, speaking at the company's Stans site in Switzerland. “We hope that over the next few months there would be a final clear guidance as to what particular road the Indian air force is following to finalise its BTA requirements.”

In March, India’s defence ministry issued a request for information (RFI) for the procurement of an additional 106 PC-7 MkII trainers under its "Buy & Make (Indian)" procurement category.

“We have been contacted by quite a large range of Indian companies who have approached us with regard to being able to be the prime contractor should the decision be Buy and Make India, as in this situation Pilatus cannot be the prime, ” says Roche. “Pilatus will provide detailed training to the successful Indian prime contractor on site here at Stans for the manufacturing and airframe assembly element of the programme.”

One area that remains to be resolved is the conclusion of the maintenance transfer of technology contract with HAL. This will allow the Indian company to keep the PC-7 MkII's systems and components in line with the original equipment manufacturer's agreed maintenance policy, ranging from detailed repair and overhaul capability to the replacement of components.
 
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So a total of 75+106: 181 Basic trainers. Given how smoothly the planes have been delivered and their track record, it would indeed be in IAF's favor if the deal for remaining 106 is signed soon.
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There should be no further delays on this, HAL should be made to STFU wrt their HTT-40 offer and the IAF should be allowed to get the remaining 106 BTAs built in India and in service ASAP. Pilatus have been nothing but professional and competent and their good work should be recognised and rewarded.
 
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Wasn't HAL manufacturing BTA in India for IAF? i though you were using some home build platform as basic training aircraft :what:
 
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The indian armed forces, should have more freedom in selection of their equipment, in fact in this area - we are vastly superior - all of our procurement's are on time and on budget, with maximum bang for our buck.
 
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i dnt understand why we need of IJT. PC7-mk2 has top speed of around 500kmh and for secondary role we already have Hawk.

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Even the structure of training for IAF is Basic Training followed by Advance training (Simulators included) and then to Operational Conversion Units with respective squadrons. In this scenario, is there a genuine requirement for IJT? I doubt.
 
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Wasn't HAL manufacturing BTA in India for IAF? i though you were using some home build platform as basic training aircraft :what:
Sir, i think u are referring to HTT 40 being developed by HAL. HAL dubs it as a cost effective solution for basic training needs of IAF.
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However after dangerously low levels inventory of flyable HPT 32 Deepak, government had to go for Pilatus PC 7, which are under induction. IAF is more than happy with it and pushed for getting 180 odd trainers. GoI went for purchasing PC 7 in stages and as of now 75 are on contract or supplied. For remaining 106 planes HAL is trying hard to push for HTT 40.
However IAF doesn't seem to be amused and a dirty public mud slinging also occurred with "Experts" accusing IAF unduly favoring a costlier foreign option.
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Ex IAF chief Browne was not interested in getting HTT 40 which is still under development.
Air Chief Marshal Browne gives thumbs down to HAL aircraft : North, News - India Today
One reason is very good and proven performance of PC 7 ad the fact that IAF doesn't want to have two basic trainers. If IAF has its way deal for another 106 PC 7 will be signed soon.
 
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The indian armed forces, should have more freedom in selection of their equipment, in fact in this area - we are vastly superior - all of our procurement's are on time and on budget, with maximum bang for our buck.
Bingo!
But the trouble here in India is that Government run utilities do keep pushing for some of their products which the user might not actually want. As you said, armed forces must be given full freedom to select their tools and this business of Shoving down the Throat must stop.
 
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Wasn't HAL manufacturing BTA in India for IAF? i though you were using some home build platform as basic training aircraft :what:

You are talking about the HPT-32 'Deepak'. Its being replaced by the Pilatus aircraft.

HTT-44, the HAL replacement, was not accepted by the IAF.
 
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Wasn't HAL manufacturing BTA in India for IAF? i though you were using some home build platform as basic training aircraft :what:
Until these Pilatus were purchased, they were using HAL built basic trainers. HAL built a replacement for it, but as usual, they did it too late. By then, IAF had to buy PC-7. Currently there is a lot of mudslinging and bad blood between IAF and HAL over whether or not the follow on 106 trainers should be the HAL designed ones.
 
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The indian armed forces, should have more freedom in selection of their equipment, in fact in this area - we are vastly superior - all of our procurement's are on time and on budget, with maximum bang for our buck.

That is indisputably true.
 
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Sir, i think u are referring to HTT 40 being developed by HAL. HAL dubs it as a cost effective solution for basic training needs of IAF.
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However after dangerously low levels inventory of flyable HPT 32 Deepak, government had to go for Pilatus PC 7, which are under induction. IAF is more than happy with it and pushed for getting 180 odd trainers. GoI went for purchasing PC 7 in stages and as of now 75 are on contract or supplied. For remaining 106 planes HAL is trying hard to push for HTT 40.
However IAF doesn't seem to be amused and a dirty public mud slinging also occurred with "Experts" accusing IAF unduly favoring a costlier foreign option.
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Ex IAF chief Browne was not interested in getting HTT 40 which is still under development.
Air Chief Marshal Browne gives thumbs down to HAL aircraft : North, News - India Today
One reason is very good and proven performance of PC 7 ad the fact that IAF doesn't want to have two basic trainers. If IAF has its way deal for another 106 PC 7 will be signed soon.

Yes i was talking about HTT-40 indeed. The aircraft if operational would have met the BTA needs of IAF nicely. What is current status of HJT-36 Sitara? that is to become intermediate jet trainer of IAF when operation. There were reports that that project have had a few hick ups. What is the current status now?
 
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