People Forget China’s conflict with Japan Cost at Least Ten Million Lives

[Rusty]

The age old notion of barbarian had long expired in 1900s. The animosity with Japan was the heinous war crime they committed, and how Japan whitewashed them. Japanese textbook completely omitted those events. Why do you think Korea is equally angry with Japan? It's not about loss of face, Korea wasn't a great power.

You can't compare the causalities of great leap forward with war crime. That's screwed up logic. A fire breaks out on my land, for whatever reason, can never be compared with an outsider trespassing and setting fire.
Not to mention, most deaths were due to famine, result of failed policy. The death toll was also ridiculously exaggerated by the west.

AHAH
sorry, I am not laughing at you but I actually burst out laughing when I read that.

Have you ever met a Korean?

I actually lived in Korea for 2 years and I can tell you, Korea, China, and Japan all think they are the master race (but at the same time all 3 worship the white man)

As for the other stuff, C'mon man. You can't be this naive.

If you don't accept the 45 million deaths of Mao then how about the Tienanmen square?

China not only does not teach it in it's text books, it actively persecutes anyone who does talk about it.

Again, Japan never did anything worse then the communists.
Remember, the commies would just plain shoot any "undesirables" such as land owners and academics. The commies also did their fair share of destroying Chinese villages and cities.

I am not taking anyone's side, it's not my fight.
But 5000 years of Chinese history, China did it's fair share of genocide and what not as well.

The reason Japan is so hated is that a barbarian people were able to defeat the master Han Chinese race.... and that's a big face loss moment.


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just so people don't think I'm biased, Japanese and Koreans also think of themselves as a master race.

 

[nature is]

AHAH
sorry, I am not laughing at you but I actually burst out laughing when I read that.

Have you ever met a Korean?

I actually lived in Korea for 2 years and I can tell you, Korea, China, and Japan all think they are the master race (but at the same time all 3 worship the white man)

As for the other stuff, C'mon man. You can't be this naive.

If you don't accept the 45 million deaths of Mao then how about the Tienanmen square?

China not only does not teach it in it's text books, it actively persecutes anyone who does talk about it.

Again, Japan never did anything worse then the communists.
Remember, the commies would just plain shoot any "undesirables" such as land owners and academics. The commies also did their fair share of destroying Chinese villages and cities.

I am not taking anyone's side, it's not my fight.
But 5000 years of Chinese history, China did it's fair share of genocide and what not as well.

The reason Japan is so hated is that a barbarian people were able to defeat the master Han Chinese race.... and that's a big face loss moment.


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just so people don't think I'm biased, Japanese and Koreans also think of themselves as a master race.

Have I met a Korean? I'm East Asian. What do you think?

You lived in 2 yrs in Korea, yet you don't know our issues with Japan today is their refusal to admit war crime and whitewashing of history?

And you don't know, Korea was weaker than Japan for most of East Asian history. There's no face to be lost. This point alone is suffice to prove you wrong. I'll go further and enlighten you, Japanese as Wa was during Han dynasty 2000 years ago. By medieval era, Japan is part of Sinosphere having adopted Confucianism and Chinese writing system, no longer barbarians. In 1900, concept of barbarian was long dead.

During great leap, China was closed to the world. Only the simpleton would believe those ridiculous numbers put out in the west. In this internet age, less bias information can be found online if one's genuinely interested.
Tiananmen? There's censorship today yes, persecution no. Western media reported a few thousands to ten of thousands lol. The huge discrepancy tells you how credible their numbers are.

Western bias against non-democratic country is well known. Recent protest in HK, every media reported 2 million protesters. Official figure by law enforcement is only 350,000 but they never reported it. Go figure.


If a fire or civil war breaks out in my own house, for whatever reason, is an internal matter. Japan not only trespassed, invaded sovereign nations, it committed heinous war crime, including biological warfare and human experiment. "That Japan never did anything worse than commie?" You're not only bias, but intellectually and morally twisted.

 

[Rusty]

Have I met a Korean? I'm East Asian. What do you think?

You lived in 2 yrs in Korea, yet you don't know our issues with Japan today is their refusal to admit war crime and whitewashing of history?

And you don't know, Korea was weaker than Japan for most of East Asian history. There's no face to be lost. This point alone is suffice to prove you wrong. I'll go further and enlighten you, Japanese as Wa was during Han dynasty 2000 years ago. By medieval era, Japan is part of Sinosphere having adopted Confucianism and Chinese writing system, no longer barbarians. In 1900, concept of barbarian was long dead.

During great leap, China was closed to the world. Only the simpleton would believe those ridiculous numbers put out in the west. In this internet age, less bias information can be found online if one's genuinely interested.
Tiananmen? There's censorship today yes, persecution no. Western media reported a few thousands to ten of thousands lol. The huge discrepancy tells you how credible their numbers are.

Western bias against non-democratic country is well known. Recent protest in HK, every media reported 2 million protesters. Official figure by law enforcement is only 350,000 but they never reported it. Go figure.


If a fire or civil war breaks out in my own house, for whatever reason, is an internal matter. Japan not only trespassed, invaded sovereign nations, it committed heinous war crime, including biological warfare and human experiment. "That Japan never did anything worse than commie?" You're not only bias, but intellectually and morally twisted.

Again with the words in my mouth.
That is a sign of a weak argument.

Can you quote me where I denied that Japan refused to accept their crimes?
Japan has refused to accept their crimes, just like China has refused to accept Tienanmen square and Korea has refused to accept their horrendous actions in the Vietnam war.

"And you don't know, Korea was weaker than Japan for most of East Asian history. There's no face to be lost."
this is categorically not true AND more evidence of "Han master race"

Korea and China both looked down on the Japanese as dwarf barbarians and Korea especially hated the Japanese as they were just a bunch of pirates to them.
You clearly have never met a Korean person or you would know how prideful Koreans are about everything.
I once got yelled at by a Korean because I told them I didn't like some Korean food.

"By medieval era, Japan is part of Sinosphere having adopted Confucianism and Chinese writing system, no longer barbarians."
Categorically not true. Just look at the reports from the Imjin war by the Koreans and Chinese.

"During great leap, China was closed to the world. Only the simpleton would believe those ridiculous numbers put out in the west. In this internet age, less bias information can be found online if one's genuinely interested.
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and only a simpleton would believe a murderer who claims that they didn't murder anyone.
Tell me, according to you, did even a single person die during those times?
(keep in mind, we have first hand accounts)

"Western bias against non-democratic country is well known. Recent protest in HK, every media reported 2 million protesters. Official figure by law enforcement is only 350,000 but they never reported it. Go figure. "

If you think the communist dictatorship is so great then why are you living in Canada?
Canada is like hell for people like you, with all the freedoms and rights.
In fact, CCP blocked PDF, you should not even be here as it goes against Xi's dictate.

"If a fire or civil war breaks out in my own house, for whatever reason, is an internal matter. Japan not only trespassed, invaded sovereign nations, it committed heinous war crime, including biological warfare and human experiment. "That Japan never did anything worse than commie?" You're not only bias, but intellectually and morally twisted."

Kind of like what China is doing to Tibet and Xinjiang .
You talk about trespass, but don't mention the European countries that were trespassing for like 80-50 years before Japan. Remember all those European concessions?
This further proves my point that you Hate Japan because barbarians were able to defeat mighty chinese han master race. Where is the same level of hate for the white man? You know 3 opium wars, humiliating treaties, etc etc.

If you look objectively at history, Japan did nothing to China that the CCP did not do to Chinese people.

Which brings me back full circle, Why do Chinese people hate japan, but don't hate the CCP?
Because Barbarian Japan dared to go against master Chinese Han race.

 

[nahtanbob]

Look up on Lebensraum. Germans were tasked to kill as much Slavs especially in the East to make way for German colonisation.

Heavy casualties of Soviet/Russian citizens basically was this if the Germans won those newly conquered places were going to be settled by Germans.

People dont realise the racial aspect of the Eastern Front. Germans killed as much as they can.

I understand that.

My point is that if Stalin had not executed his competent generals and officers (killed tens of thousands of them) maybe the German army does not lay a hand on those Soviet civilians

Just like doctor Goebbels told to Nazi soldiers.

you refuse to own up to the fact - Stalin killed tens of thousands of competent officers and generals
Maybe if they were alive Nazis would not be sitting in Soviet territory killing millions of Soviet citizens

I cannot help those who do not help themselves

 

[Nein]

I understand that.

My point is that if Stalin had not executed his competent generals and officers (killed tens of thousands of them) maybe the German army does not lay a hand on those Soviet civilians



you refuse to own up to the fact - Stalin killed tens of thousands of competent officers and generals
Maybe if they were alive Nazis would not be sitting in Soviet territory killing millions of Soviet citizens

I cannot help those who do not help themselves

Indeed Stalin is also to be blamed for early defeats and the enormous loss of territory by purging competent generals and officers.

I dont disagree with that. But the German Invasion also caught the Soviets off guard. Soviets knew one day that the Germans will attack the question was when will they attack.

Germans also believed that the Soviets will attack them one day hence why the Germans believed they had to strike first before the Soviets can gather up their troops and massive resources.

 

[nahtanbob]

Indeed Stalin is also to be blamed for early defeats and the enormous loss of territory by purging competent generals and officers.

I dont disagree with that. But the German Invasion also caught the Soviets off guard. Soviets knew one day that the Germans will attack the question was when will they attack.

Germans also believed that the Soviets will attack them one day hence why the Germans believed they had to strike first before the Soviets can gather up their troops and massive resources.

I do not disagree with anything you say. the logical response would have been to build defensive lines especially after the France blitzkrieg and move the military industrial complex to the Urals

The age old notion of barbarian had long expired in 1900s. The animosity with Japan was the heinous war crime they committed, and how Japan whitewashed them. Japanese textbook completely omitted those events. Why do you think Korea is equally angry with Japan? It's not about loss of face, Korea wasn't a great power.

You can't compare the causalities of great leap forward with war crime. That's screwed up logic. A fire breaks out on my land, for whatever reason, can never be compared with an outsider trespassing and setting fire.
Not to mention, most deaths were due to famine, result of failed policy. The death toll was also ridiculously exaggerated by the west.

at times did the Chinese communists under Mao care anymore about Chinese lives than the Japanese ?

 

[vostok]

you refuse to own up to the fact - Stalin killed tens of thousands of competent officers and generals
Maybe if they were alive Nazis would not be sitting in Soviet territory killing millions of Soviet citizens

I cannot help those who do not help themselves

Nobody killed French or British or Polish officers and generals - nevertheless all European countries were beaten by Nazis at the beginning of the war. All of them except for Bitain lost the war, in incredibly short period. It is not because all European armies were bunch of cowards, fools and traitors. It is because German army were the best in the world. Soviet army were loosing at the begining because Germans were better. When we became better - we began to win.
Stalin cleaned top of the army and the country's leadership because if he did not do it - Russia could end WW2 as WW1 - some short minded fools/traitors among top officials could made coup to remove Stalin and all the country would f@ked up like Russian Empire in 1917.
Winning the war is not the reason to kill civilians. For example, the USSR did not kill civilians in Germany, Hungary, Romania, Austria. Perhaps, some incidents took place, but not millions. The Nazis killed about every 3rd or 4th resident in the occupied territories of the USSR.

 

[nahtanbob]

Nobody killed French or British or Polish officers and generals - nevertheless all European countries were beaten by Nazis at the beginning of the war. All of them except for Bitain lost the war, in incredibly short period. It is not because all European armies were bunch of cowards, fools and traitors. It is because German army were the best in the world. Soviet army were loosing at the begining because Germans were better. When we became better - we began to win.
Stalin cleaned top of the army and the country's leadership because if he did not do it - Russia could end WW2 as WW1 - some short minded fools/traitors among top officials could made coup to remove Stalin and all the country would f@ked up like Russian Empire in 1917.
Winning the war is not the reason to kill civilians. For example, the USSR did not kill civilians in Germany, Hungary, Romania, Austria. Perhaps, some incidents took place, but not millions. The Nazis killed about every 3rd or 4th resident in the occupied territories of the USSR.

All the countries except France that lose to the Nazis were minor military powers and had no depth in terms of territory. The Soviets had plenty of time to learn from the wars in Poland and France.

60-70 years later what did Stalin really accomplish for Soviet Union or Russia ?

 

[hassamun]

There is no doubt that there were massive atrocities committed by the Japanese against many nations they conquered and China was one of the worst hit...

That being said it is time to move on. Both nations can benefit immensely if they work together...and this has already started...

China-Japan Trade in 2008 was worth US$266.4 Billion. The Second World War was a dark Chapter of History which I'm sure the Japanese want to forget...and move on...

Instead of living in the past they should look towards the future...which is very bright for both nations indeed...

Similarly I wouldn't put a Stalin Quote at the start...let's not forget he sent people into Gulags and his policies caused famines in Soviet Union killing millions...and yet he is a hero in Georgia...no one discusses this Part of Stalin there...

 

[vostok]

All the countries except France that lose to the Nazis were minor military powers and had no depth in terms of territory. The Soviets had plenty of time to learn from the wars in Poland and France.

60-70 years later what did Stalin really accomplish for Soviet Union or Russia ?

France was about equal to Germany in terms of territory, technologies, quantity and quality of military equipment and manpower. Besides, France had strong ally, another match to Germany - Britain. Germany had no strong allies in the region.
What did Stalin accomplish? Everything. Every Soviet achievment - industrialization, social standarts, science, space exploration, the country's importance in the world and so on - all thanks to Stalin.