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The Pentagon tested a loitering munition, more commonly referred to as a suicide drone, last year that will arrive over its designated target area at hypersonic speeds. It has since turned the project over to the U.S. Army for further development. Additional details about the program, dubbed Vintage Racer, have now emerged in an official picture showing Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy discussing it, as well as other advanced weapon systems.

Steve Trimble, Aviation Week's Defense Editor and a good friend of The War Zone, first reported on the new details about Vintage Racer after spotting the picture of McCarthy at Association of the U.S. Army's (AUSA) top annual conference and exhibition in Washington, D.C. last year. The picture was taken on Oct. 14, 2019. The program itself dates back to at least the 2017 Fiscal Year, according to Pentagon budget documents, with the Office of the Secretary of Defense receiving $2.5 million in the 2017 Fiscal Year and another $1.2 million in the 2018 Fiscal Year for the project.

"Vintage Racer matured an advanced capability to prosecute targets of interest," a brief note about the project in the Pentagon's 2021 Budget Request says about the program. "The project successfully validated aerodynamic design with wind tunnel testing and integrated a guidance subsystem for targeted kinetic effects before culminating in a FY 2019 flight test. Documentation and prototype technologies transitioned to the U.S. Army for additional development and follow-on acquisition activities."

Other budget documents say that there were originally plans for a flight demonstration in the 2018 Fiscal Year. This schedule appears to have gotten pushed back a year for unknown reasons. In addition, the 2019 Fiscal Year ended on Sept. 30, 2019, meaning that it is possible that the Army may have taken ownership of the project by the time McCarthy got the information about it at the AUSA event in Washington.

The picture of the Army Secretary at that event shows him standing in front of a small table talking with other individuals with a print out of a Vintage Racer briefing slide in front of him. A small model of the Common Hypersonic Glide Body (C-HGB) hypersonic boost-glide vehicle, which the service is developing as the warhead for its ground-launched Long Range Hypersonic Weapon (LRHW) together with the U.S. Navy, as well as a kinetic projectile similar to those fired from electromagnetic railguns, such as the one the Army has been experimenting with in recent years, are also seen. A number of metal objects with holes burned in them, including what appears to be a section of a barrel from a 155mm howitzer, possibly from a laser directed energy weapon, are also present.

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Trimble highlighted that the Vintage Racer briefing slide also has "Loitering Weapon System (LWS) Overview" in its title, as well as six large bullet points – Hypersonic Ingress, Survivable, Time Over Target, Multi-role, Modular payload, and Cost Imposition Strategy – each with a number of sub-bullet points. Aviation Week was later able to enhance the image to be able to read all of these additional highlights.

"Hypersonic Ingress" indicates the Vintage Racer loitering munition has the ability to get its target at hypersonic speeds, defined as above Mach 5. It's not clear how the munition gets to the target area at these speeds, but a ballistic missile seems most plausible based on the information publicly available now. An air-breathing hypersonic cruise missile could be another option, but this seems less likely given the high cost and complexity associated with those types of weapons and their current developmental state. It's also not clear from the Pentagon budget documents if the Office of the Secretary of Defense conducted a full flight test of the complete system or just the loitering munition component.

Advanced maneuvering hypersonic weapons are, by their nature, highly survivable based on their sheer speed, as well as their generally level atmospheric flight trajectories and their high degrees of maneuverability. This allows them to penetrate past dense integrated air defenses. This all makes them ideal for time-sensitive strikes, as well as engaging otherwise critical targets in denied areas, since opponents have little time to relocate or otherwise take cover or even attempt to shoot down the incoming weapon, which is a difficult prospect, in general.


Meanwhile, ballistic missiles can still travel at hypersonic speeds and can be difficult to defend against, but are less survivable in most cases than their more advanced hypersonic counterparts. The briefing slide Secretary McCarthy saw last October also indicated that the Vintage Racer munition would have a stealthy radar cross-section and an overall "low signature," which could also refer to other features to reduce its infrared, visual, and acoustic signatures, making it even harder to detect.

In either case, adding a loitering capability to the mix, extending the munition's "time over target" to between 60 and 90 minutes according to the briefing slide from the 2019 AUSA conference, could provide additional benefits. The launching unit would not necessarily need to know the exact location of the target before firing the weapon, which could then use its own multi-mode guidance system to seek it out and destroy it.

With a two-way satellite data-link, it is possible that an individual safely back at the launch site or in a separate command center could use a man-in-the-loop control system to actually guide it into the desired target, as well. This kind of capability, which Israel has pioneered, would offer additional accuracy, especially against moving targets, as well as offering the ability to shift focus rapidly if another, higher priority threat emerges. It can also help in avoiding collateral damage, by allowing the controller to abort the strike, even when the weapon is very close to impact, should innocent bystanders enter the area.


These kinds of loitering munitions could be employed as area denial weapons, as well. Deploying them over certain areas, such as likely deployment sites for road-mobile ballistic or long-range cruise missiles, could frustrate an opponent's attempt to employ those assets, as well as their efforts to distribute them to multiple locations to help protect them from detection and strikes by other means.

It would be similarly possible to seed them in critical areas in advance of incoming friendly aircraft in order to destroy enemy air defenses, especially if the exact locations of those threats are not known. They could also be used to take out pop up threats, such as road-mobile air defense systems, or other targets of opportunity.


A "multi-role" weapon design that can accept "modular payloads" also means that these loitering munitions could take on non-kinetic strike missions, such as intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance and electronic warfare. Depending on how the Pentagon, and now the Army, envisions employing the Vintage Racer system, it might be possible to deploy them in networked autonomous swarms, where different configured variants take on various roles. Sensor carrying versions could spot targets for ones with kinetic payloads or direct those with electronic warfare jammers to scramble enemy air defenses.

A swarm, by its very nature, might also just be able to overwhelm and confuse an opponent by striking en masse from various different directions at once. The briefing slide that Secretary McCarthy examined in October 2019 specifically noted that the Vintage Racer would hopefully be "inexpensive to deploy," but "costly to defeat." The goal is for each munition to cost between $100,000 and $200,000, a fraction of what the U.S. military is paying for cruise missiles, for instance.

The briefing slide also said that modular loitering munition might be able to take on non-combat "support roles," as well, mentioning "position, navigation, and timing," or PNT, as well as "networked communications in a contested environment. The U.S. military, as a whole, is looking increasingly at a concept called Assured PNT as potential threats to the GPS satellite-based navigation system grow.

The basic idea behind Assured PNT, which you can read about more in these past War Zone pieces, is to use various means to distribute navigation system nodes across various platforms throughout the battlespace, and networking them together. The result is an ecosystem that can provide accurate and reliable position information without having to rely on GPS. Similarly, distributed communications nodes could help overcome enemy electronic warfare attacks. Beyond the Vintage Racer system's ability to provide a useful addition layer in these concepts, its rapidly deployable nature could make it an important means of filling connectivity gaps during critical operations.

It's worth noting that the Army actually teased the idea of using its future Precision Strike Missile (PrSM) quasi-ballistic missile as a way to deploy loitering intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance drones deep into enemy territory in order to provide targeting information back in 2018. Employing a mobile, ground-launched platform could further increase the system's flexibility.

Lockheed Martin is developing PrSM ostensibly as a replacement for the service's existing Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) quasi-ballistic missiles. The Army and Lockheed Martin are also now testing a multi-mode guidance system for these missiles that could enable them to engage large moving targets, such as ships. There had previously been talk about giving ATACMS a similar moving target capability.

In the 1990s and early 2000s, the Army had worked on a version of the ATACMS that would carry a payload of 13 Brilliant Anti-Tank (BAT) submunitions, which has some broad similarities to the idea of launching drones using the PrSM, as well as the Vintage Racer concept. BAT was a small unpowered glide bomb that used acoustic sensors to find its targets and imaging infrared seeker to home in on them. The Army ultimately canceled the BAT-filled ATACMS project, though the weapons themselves evolved into the GBU-44/B Viper Strike air-launched glide bomb.


Of course, Vintage Racer is hardly the U.S. military's first foray into the idea of a long-range, stand-off conventionally-armed loitering munition for prosecuting time-sensitive and other critical strikes. In the early 2000s, the U.S. Navy's Office of Naval Research (ONR) worked on developing a low-cost cruise missile-type weapon with loitering capability known as the Affordable Weapon System (AWS).

"The Affordable Weapon System, a loitering cruise-missile-like system that can carry a variety of payloads, transitioned to the acquisition community for development," Navy Rear Admiral Jay Cohen, then-Chief of Naval Research, told members of Congressin March 2005. The Titan Corporation, now part of L-3 Communications, continued development of the AWS under contract to ONR until at least 2007. The company was supposed to build 85 of these missiles for test and evaluation purposes, though it's unclear if that ever came to pass.

In 2014, the U.S. Air Force also published a Remotely Piloted Vehicle (RPA) Vector, covering "vision and enabling concepts" envisioned for the 2013 to 2038 timeframe. This document included mention of a notional "hypersonic near-space 'mother ship' RPA that deliver multiple SUAS [small unmanned aerial systems] to provide a strategically significant number of lethal, EA [electronic attack], or cyberattack capabilities within minutes."

Vintage Racer would seem to be the latest attempt to provide this kind of capability. That the Office of the Secretary of Defense initially managed the effort and paid for its through its Quick Reaction Fund, suggests that there is real hope that this project will move quickly toward becoming an operational reality.

"The Quick Reaction Fund (QRF) provided ... opportunities to capitalize on relatively mature technologies. Capabilities addressed National Defense Strategy priorities and informed programs of record or new acquisition pathways to more effectively and affordably push innovation to the field.," according to the Pentagon's 2021 Fiscal Year budget request. "QRF focused on projects that have the potential to address conventional, disruptive, and asymmetric warfare needs. QRF initiatives typically delivered a prototype application within 12 months of being funded."

It will be very exciting to see how quickly the Army can continue to refine and improve the Vintage Racer system as it works on moving it from an experimental to an operational capability.

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A low observable suicide drone that enters the target area at hypersonic speed with 60-90 minutes of loiter time is a gamechanger. Big development here.
 
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This is the new tactic of warfare I came up with many months ago "inexpensive to deploy," but "costly to defeat."

I wrote months ago that Iran needs 1 million cheap inexpensive Towsan Tanks costing about 10K euros to make. Make the gun good, the rest a WWII era tank. With cheap inexpensive air defense cover, it would take trillions of dollars in cruise missiles and hypersonic weapons to knock out 1 million tanks before this, with hundreds of thousands of air defense batteries, mass produced. Now it would take only hundreds of billions of dollars to defeat this defense, which is feasible.

I hope China and Iran are taking notes.

The next way is to defeat the attack is taking out the sat with ASATs, and jamming the incoming ordnance. With internal guidance and ECM on the drone, then next step is for fake targets to boggle down the attack. We are taking about metal fake targets of tanks that run cost 1K and don't fire. :o: And the same with air defenses.

That is for a defensive war.

An offensive war is to hit the deployment of these, if you can't then a defensive war is going to be "interesting".

Every new weapons the US presents, is something that defeats my wargaming of Iran vs US and China vs US.

This also pushes my theory on submarines are the future of warfare, because they can't be hit by these suicide drones and missiles, you need ASW. Hundreds of Iranian SSK submarines would push back naval forces. And ballistic missiles with strong ECM would be a good defense to hit where these drones are originating from.

China can make thousands of SSKs if they wanted to and rule the Western Pacific. :china:

I am not joking about China should open up 25 new Dalian shipyards making mostly subs.

Producing hundreds of new warships and thousands of new subs by 2030 would only cost 250B USD per year.

Here is the link:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/rouhani-is-at-it-again.653173/page-3#post-12093165

100K tosan tanks a year = 1 million in ten years.

I did the war gaming during Christmas holidays.
 
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Nice catching up to chinese chinesonic glide weapons from 2017
 
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A swarm, by its very nature, might also just be able to overwhelm and confuse an opponent by striking en masse from various different directions at once. The briefing slide that Secretary McCarthy examined in October 2019 specifically noted that the Vintage Racer would hopefully be "inexpensive to deploy," but "costly to defeat." The goal is for each munition to cost between $100,000 and $200,000, a fraction of what the U.S. military is paying for cruise missiles, for instance.

This is on par with guided bombs dropped by fighters, we could see a change in strategy of air to ground warfare. Fair to say, US SEAD capability will get a massive boost with such capability.

Nice catching up to chinese chinesonic glide weapons from 2017

only few countries even have long range loitering munition, no country has loitering munition that can reach hypersonic speeds.
 
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This is on par with guided bombs dropped by fighters, we could see a change in strategy of air to ground warfare. Fair to say, US SEAD capability will get a massive boost with such capability.



only few countries even have long range loitering munition, no country has loitering munition that can reach hypersonic speeds.
China has them since 2017 tests proved
 
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China has them since 2017 tests proved

Since when does China have a missile that can dispense a low observable drone munition at hypersonic speeds and can loiter for 60-90 minutes in the target area?
 
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loitering munition is different than a missile, search up what loitering munition is
There are atleast 3 systems i am aware of in china under use and heavy testing since ddecember 2017.
I don't want to put out anything which is not made public yet however here is one smaller version CH 901 that was made public indeed.

There are more sub sonic and even hypersonic and even nuclear fueled ones.

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Since when does China have a missile that can dispense a low observable drone munition at hypersonic speeds and can loiter for 60-90 minutes in the target area?
Since december 2017

Here is a second example from 2016

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These are the smaller ones. They have tedted land sea and airbased versions.

Sonic, sub sonic and even hypersonic ones. Latest one being tested in 2020 has a nuclear fuel and can go around in hyper speed for hours.

United states will take a long time and alot of money to catch up to china now.

Around 2030s china would be 20 years ahead in these technologies from usa.

Right now usa us struggling to keep up.

I would not like tp reveal much more than this until time comes and its revelation is a must.
 
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There are atleast 3 systems i am aware of in china under use and heavy testing since ddecember 2017.
I don't want to put out anything which is not made public yet however here is one smaller version CH 901 that was made public indeed.

There are more sub sonic and even hypersonic and even nuclear fueled ones.

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Since december 2017

Here is a second example from 2016

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These are the smaller ones. They have tedted land sea and airbased versions.

Sonic, sub sonic and even hypersonic ones. Latest one being tested in 2020 has a nuclear fuel and can go around in hyper speed for hours.

United states will take a long time and alot of money to catch up to china now.

Around 2030s china would be 20 years ahead in these technologies from usa.

Right now usa us struggling to keep up.

I would not like tp reveal much more than this until time comes and its revelation is a must.


Neither of those are as capable as this drone and there is no evidence that China has the capability to launch low observable loitering munitions at hypersonic speed with 60-90 minute loitering capability.

And to say the US is behind is ridiculous. The US has a broad portfolio of advanced hypersonic capabilities. The US to date has actually proven its hypersonic solutions are more advanced than China’s. Showing models at military conventions prove nothing.
 
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also, in high speed you dont put iir on missiles, thats why som and other fly under 0.8 mak. and if it use radar, it is going to be anti ship missile and easier to jam it..
 
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