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Parrikar decides to purchase 44,000 CQB Carbines via direct route and cancel tender process

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Perturbed with the repeated failure to purchase 44,000 close quarter battle (CQB) carbines, a crucial weapon for the Indian Army for its counter-terrorism operations in the Kashmir Valley, the Manohar Parrikar-led Ministry of Defence (MoD) will buy them directly instead of opting for the global tendering process.

For the last two decades, the Army has been battling to replace its British-era carbines, the sub-machine gun or the sten gun, which were reti red long ago. But each time the selection process get stuck on allegations of corruption and favouritism.

“With repeated failure to procure it through the global tendering process, the ministry has to go for direct government-to-government sale for buying the weapon. It will speed up the acquisition process and will rule out allegations of corruption,” a top ministry official said.

The MoD proposed an agreement under foreign military sales with a country for buying 10,000 such carbines directly. The remaining lot can be manufactured here with a production license to meet Army’s requirement.Recently, former MoS for Defence defence Rao Inderjit Singh wrote to Parri

kar seeking a CBI probe over the selection criteria of the final vendor after a mammoth six-year exercise by the Army and the ministry. Singh alleged the Army tweaked the technical specifications to favour a particular vendor.


In 2008, when the Army issued a global tender to replace the 1944 vintage CQBs, the original request was sent to 28 companies. Five responded. After eight years of deliberations and trials, the competition boiled down to Italian Beretta and Israeli Weapon Industry.


An Army officer involved in counter-insurgency operations said the British-era carbines are not battle worthy. “The carbines were authorised to commanders of Ghatak platoon, the Army’s first line of offensive in anti-terrorist operations. But the weapons are no match for militants who use sophisticated automatic weapons. In conventional warfare, militants are multi-generations ahead of the Army,” he said.



http://www.defencenews.in/article/P...direct-route-and-cancel-tender-process-239760
 
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What are the advantage of 'Global tendering process' over the conventional ' govt-to govt' purchase?
I see none. MMRCA was also abolished for 'Govt-to-Govt' option. Actually, all C-130J, C-17, Apache, S-400, M-777 are GtG contract, then why does we waste over time in Global tendering process?
I expect that GTP brings some windfall to babus, but now all the suppliers mUST understand that India will go for GTG mode and stop wasting their time and resourse ( MoD babus have plently of both to waste).
 
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What are the advantage of 'Global tendering process' over the conventional ' govt-to govt' purchase?
I see none. MMRCA was also abolished for 'Govt-to-Govt' option. Actually, all C-130J, C-17, Apache, S-400, M-777 are GtG contract, then why does we waste over time in Global tendering process?
I expect that GTP brings some windfall to babus, but now all the suppliers mUST understand that India will go for GTG mode and stop wasting their time and resourse ( MoD babus have plently of both to waste).

In a global tendering process there is a stiff competition to bag the order, in doing so, our position at the negotiation chamber is high and can get offsets and additional benefits from the vendor in the form of his strategy to lead the bidding table. In a direct govt-to-govt deal you buy at the standard rates with of course some salt and pepper according to how good/bad our man is and with absolutely no additional benefits whatsoever.

Govt-to-Govt deal is usually preferred during contingencies and/or during war time situations to speed up the acquisitions. Hope this clarifies.
 
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In a global tendering process there is a stiff competition to bag the order, in doing so, our position at the negotiation chamber is high and can get offsets and additional benefits from the vendor in the form of his strategy to lead the bidding table. In a direct govt-to-govt deal you buy at the standard rates with of course some salt and pepper according to how good/bad our man is and with absolutely no additional benefits whatsoever.

Govt-to-Govt deal is usually preferred during contingencies and/or during war time situations to speed up the acquisitions. Hope this clarifies.
..but our global tendering process record have been very poor and GtoG have been good, then why waste time and resource.
..can u name any good & successful global tendering process deal?
 
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Don't forget bullets proff jackets too soldier life also matters
 
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..but our global tendering process record have been very poor and GtoG have been good, then why waste time and resource.
..can u name any good & successful global tendering process deal?

Globally the tendering Process has been a successful option for buying weapons, its a failure in India because of red-tapism , corruption and of course, issuing RFI's at the time when the product you going to replace has already become obsolete, doing so has really killed our chances of getting the maximum out of any deal. Corporates, bank on this weakness of ours and instead of providing us a good deal, settle it out with the means of providing Money to a sarkari babu.

Don't forget bullets proff jackets too soldier life also matters

We have fast tracked the orders. Its already getting delivered batch by batch.
 
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It wouldnt have been comical had it been an India with Weak War torn Economy, with China being her only supplier of major arms and for ever depending on its soft loans to protect her rear.

I find the Pakistani process entirely reasonable for all the obstacles and financial restraints I think Pakistani military has worked wonders at times with reasonable and sensible mixture of indigenous, JV and sensible procurement (blight of corruption especially in past decades being biggest blight)
As Pakistan grows so will out budget and if we can stick on this path with more finances available we should be well set

Rather than derail the thread you must admit indian procurement and programmes are cursed at the best of times
 
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I find the Pakistani process entirely reasonable for all the obstacles and financial restraints I think Pakistani military has worked wonders at times with reasonable and sensible mixture of indigenous, JV and sensible procurement (blight of corruption especially in past decades being biggest blight)
As Pakistan grows so will out budget and if we can stick on this path with more finances available we should be well set

Rather than derail the thread you must admit indian procurement and programmes are cursed at the best of times

corruption is the biggest problem in weapon purchases
India's cures for dealing with corruption is worse than the problem
 
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I find the Pakistani process entirely reasonable for all the obstacles and financial restraints I think Pakistani military has worked wonders at times with reasonable and sensible mixture of indigenous, JV and sensible procurement (blight of corruption especially in past decades being biggest blight)
As Pakistan grows so will out budget and if we can stick on this path with more finances available we should be well set

Rather than derail the thread you must admit indian procurement and programmes are cursed at the best of times

If it was cursed then why in the last 2 1/2 years there have been so many military purchases that effectively curtail Pakistan's military capability.

eg: Rafale, S 400, M777
 
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I find the Pakistani process entirely reasonable for all the obstacles and financial restraints I think Pakistani military has worked wonders at times with reasonable and sensible mixture of indigenous, JV and sensible procurement (blight of corruption especially in past decades being biggest blight)
As Pakistan grows so will out budget and if we can stick on this path with more finances available we should be well set

Rather than derail the thread you must admit indian procurement and programmes are cursed at the best of times

I'd hate to admit that to a Pakistani . You know that more than I do :cray:
 
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