Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[Icarus]

Dawn working to undermine the JIT's credibility and seed further doubt:

https://www.dawn.com/news/1337672/a-controversial-investigation

Third, there is the original problem: the inclusion of two members of military-led intelligence agencies in what are essentially financial matters that the JIT is probing.

Unlike the other nominated members of the JIT, the credentials of the two intelligence representatives do not appear to have been assessed for whether they are relevant to the matter before the JIT.

An unnecessarily deferential attitude was taken in a matter that should never have involved military-led intelligence representatives in the first place.

 

[Farah Sohail]

@PakSword @QatariPrince

What do u guys think? ab advocate aur pakora judge..mazeed kia kia karsaktay hain...to save sharifs? unke pass kia kia options hosaktay hain? ya sharif family ne advocate aur pakora judge ke liye bhi koi raasta nahi chora..ke woh unhein bachaa sakein....?

 

[PakSword]

@PakSword @QatariPrince

What do u guys think? ab advocate aur pakora judge..mazeed kia kia karsaktay hain...to save sharifs? unke pass kia kia options hosaktay hain? ya sharif family ne advocate aur pakora judge ke liye bhi koi raasta nahi chora..ke woh unhein bachaa sakein....?

CJ bench torr saktay hain.. As I said earlier.

But abhi jab tak justice Khosa CJ hain, inn ki ummeedain poori nahi hongi.. Iss liey main keh raha hun, Justice Aijaz ul Ahsan should decide on disqualification ASAP based on Qatari's refusal.. and keep the investigations running.

 

[QatariPrince]

@PakSword @QatariPrince

What do u guys think? ab advocate aur pakora judge..mazeed kia kia karsaktay hain...to save sharifs? unke pass kia kia options hosaktay hain? ya sharif family ne advocate aur pakora judge ke liye bhi koi raasta nahi chora..ke woh unhein bachaa sakein....?

Qatari Prince nahi a raha. Seedha decision dain. Aisay hi latka rahy hain jan bojh ker. Plus pata bhi nahi JIT ker kya rahi hai.

 

[Farah Sohail]

CJ bench torr saktay hain.. As I said earlier.

But abhi jab tak justice Khosa CJ hain, inn ki ummeedain poori nahi hongi.. Iss liey main keh raha hun, Justice Aijaz ul Ahsan should decide on disqualification ASAP based on Qatari's refusal.. and keep the investigations running.

Justice Ijazul Ahsan cant disqualify Nawaz Sharif right now..even if he wants tht desperately.. agar NS ka statement ab tak record hochuka hota tu koi masla nahi tha... I am sure Justice Ijazul Ahsan would have happily done tht, then.. but ab agar NS ke statement record karnay se bhi pehlay disqualify kiya tu ek aur hungama hojayega... JIT ka maqsad yehi tha ke ek dafa unka POV le lein aur.. tu ab NS ke statement se pehle disqualify nahi kareinge, even if he wants.. so I think Justice Ijazul Ahsan will wait for disqualification, till 22 june.. kaash ab tak PM ka statement record hocuka hota ... ab JIT ko bhi chahye ke kal ke baad..sab se pehle PM ka statement record karein lekin mujhe lagta hai ke inhon ne PM ka statement bilkol end main record karnay ka plan kia hai... yeh nahi hona chahye

Aap kon sa bench tootnay ki baat karrahay hain?sirf Nihal Hashmi ke case ke liye CJ bench tor saktay hain..ya overall implementation bench? I think agar Nihal HAshmi wala case kisi aur bench main chala jata hai tu achi baat hai..no problem.. but implementation bench na tootay.. waisy mujhe nahi lagta ke CJ implementation bench tornay ka keh saktay hain.. theres no reason for tht... ye koi option bhi nahi hai.. CJ aisa kiun karein ge?

Qatari Prince nahi a raha. Seedha decision dain. Aisay hi latka rahy hain jan bojh ker. Plus pata bhi nahi JIT ker kya rahi hai.

jab tak PM ka statement record nahi hoga...disqualification nahi hosakti

 

[QatariPrince]

https://twitter.com/x/status/871996663354855428

jab tak PM ka statement record nahi hoga...disqualification nahi hosakti

Phir jab tak Nawaz Sharif ki statement record ho fi tab tak ya tu Bench toot jaye ga ya JIT

 

[Farah Sohail]

https://twitter.com/x/status/871996663354855428

jab tak Nawaz Sharif ki statement record ho fi tab tak ya tu Bench toot jaye ga ya JIT

Implementation bench tu nahi toot sakta... ziada se ziada ye hosakta hai ke Nihal Hashmi ka case kisi doosray bench main chala jaye.. waisy mujhe uske bhi chances kam lagtay hain...

 

[PakSword]

jab tak PM ka statement record nahi hoga...disqualification nahi hosakti

Yeh tou verdict main mention nahi hai? Ya hai?

Aap kon sa bench tootnay ki baat karrahay hain?sirf Nihal Hashmi ke case ke liye CJ bench tor saktay hain..ya overall implementation bench? I think agar Nihal HAshmi wala case kisi aur bench main chala jata hai tu achi baat hai..no problem.. but implementation bench na tootay.. waisy mujhe nahi lagta ke CJ implementation bench tornay ka keh saktay hain.. theres no reason for tht... ye koi option bhi nahi hai.. CJ aisa kiun karein ge?

If he wants to help NS, he will not hesitate in dissolving the implementation bench, referring to the reason that the bench has become controversial. This is an extreme possibility.

I am more concerned if one of the judges in bench (most likely Pakora) says that he doesn't want to remain part of any bench hearing any case against Shareef Family, or Nihal Hashmi, because he has become controversial, and his impartiality is being questioned. This is the likely situation.

The more I think about Nihal Hashmi's controversial address and then how Pakora reacted to that, the more strongly I believe that Pakora's remark was to help Shareef family, and was pre-planned.

For JIT, they are employing a different tactic. Even JIT may be broken, but not now.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Yeh tou verdict main mention nahi hai? Ya hai?

it was not mentioned in the verdict..lekin its logical.. JIT bannay ka maqsad yeh tha k ek dafa inn se phir pooch lein.. SC main interrogation nahi hosaki..tu ek chance aur de dein.. Now PML N is giving the impression ke judges humaray khilaf sazish karrahy hain..whats app call.. JIT sazish karrahi hia, leaked pic .. ab agar Justice Ijazul Ahsan PM ka statement record honay se bhi pehlay disqualify karein ge...tu kia hoga? woh yehi kahein ge na ke humari tu baat bhi nahi suni.. sirf kuch din ki baat tu thee... PM ka statement tu pehlay le letay.. PM ke pass apni begunahi sabit karnay ke tamam suboot mojood thay.. humaray khilaf sazish hogayi.. phir siyasi shaheed,,, tu mera khyal hai ke jab PM ka statement kuch days main record hona hi hai...tu us se pehle disqualify hargiz nahi kareinge.. even if Justice Ijazul Ahsan wants to disqualify NS desperately, at the earliest.. phir bhi NS ke statement record honay ka wait unhein karna hi paray ga...

If he wants to help NS, he will not hesitate in dissolving the implementation bench, referring to the reason that the bench has become controversial. This is an extreme possibility.

I am more concerned if one of the judges in bench (most likely Pakora) says that he doesn't want to remain part of any bench hearing any case against Shareef Family, or Nihal Hashmi, because he has become controversial, and his impartiality is being questioned. This is the likely situation.

The more I think about Nihal Hashmi's controversial address and then how Pakora reacted to that, the more strongly I believe that Pakora's remark was to help Shareef family, and was pre-planned.

For JIT, they are employing a different tactic. Even JIT may be broken, but not now.

I don't think CJ Saqib Nisar will want to help NS in this way by dissolving the bench... stating tht bench has become controversial.. CJ itnay buray nahi hain.. aur agar aisa karein ge tu unki apni credibility bilkol khatam hojayegi.. Saqib Nisar will never do tht...

Pakora judge aisa kuch zuroor kar saktay hain..jo aap ne kaha... maybe he can excuse himself from the bench.. lekin ab agar pakora judge ne aisa kiya tu log kahein ge ke Nihal Hashmi ki dhamki se darr gaye..is liye bench se alag hogaye... tu ab pakora judge ke pass bhi koi option nahi hai..bench se alag honay ka.. aur agar pakora judge ne ye karna hota tu kal kartay Nihal hasmi walay case ki hearing main.. ya ab kal JIT report ki hearing ke din. agar kal bhi bench se alag na huay tu ye option bhi nahi rahay ga..

Yeh tou verdict main mention nahi hai? Ya hai?

Oh I just checked.. I think recording of PM statement is necessary before disqualifying PM.. its even mentioned in the verdict.. see this:

4. It is further held that upon receipt of the reports, periodic or final of the JIT, as the case may be, the matter of disqualification of respondent No. 1 shall be considered. If found necessary for passing an appropriate order in this behalf, respondent No. 1 or any other person may be summoned and examined.

so I think.. PM' must be summoned and examined before he can be disqualified

 

[PakSword]

Pakora judge aisa kuch zuroor kar saktay hain..jo aap ne kaha... maybe he can excuse himself from the bench.. lekin ab agar pakora judge ne aisa kiya tu log kahein ge ke Nihal Hashmi ki dhamki se darr gaye..is liye bench se alag hogaye... tu ab pakora judge ke pass bhi koi option nahi hai..bench se alag honay ka.. aur agar pakora judge ne ye karna hota tu kal kartay Nihal hasmi walay case ki hearing main.. ya ab kal JIT report ki hearing ke din. agar kal bhi bench se alag na huay tu ye option bhi nahi rahay ga..

When someone wants to help a crook, there is no justification needed. Pakora can do it and still be praised by half of the media, and over 30% population of Pakistan for his decision.

ab agar Justice Ijazul Ahsan PM ka statement record honay se bhi pehlay disqualify karein ge...tu kia hoga? woh yehi kahein ge na ke humari tu baat bhi nahi suni.. sirf kuch din ki baat tu thee...

Opposite to Justice Pakora, he can take this decision and still be praised by half of the media and over 25% of the population.

 

[QatariPrince]

قطری شہزادہ ضرورت پڑنےپریہاں آکریاوڈیولنک پربیان کیلیےتیارہے،رانا ثنا ءاللہ

 

[PakSword]

If found necessary for passing an appropriate order in this behalf

Justice Aijaz ul Ahsan can say he didn't find it necessary.. after Qataris refusal to appear.

respondent No. 1 or any other person may be summoned and examined.

MAY BE summoned.. not must be.. So in my opinion, it can still be done. Justice Aijaz ul Ahsan should go for it before matters get more out of control.

قطری شہزادہ ضرورت پڑنےپریہاں آکریاوڈیولنک پربیان کیلیےتیارہے،رانا ثنا ءاللہ

Chalain.. abb yeh bhi nahi hosakta..

I think PMLN knows that they can be disqualified. So they have probably got the assurance from Qatari..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Justice Aijaz ul Ahsan can say he didn't find it necessary.. after Qataris refusal to appear.

MAY BE summoned.. not must be.. So in my opinion, it can still be done. Justice Aijaz ul Ahsan should go for it before matters get more out of control.

no.. from what I understand..its a must..tht PM have to be summoned before he can be disqualified..theres a reason this has been mentioned in the verdict... Justice Ijazul Ahsan cant do tht right now...

and its logical too... jab JIT bani hi is liye hai ke unhein apna POV denay ka mauqa milay tu PM ke statement se pehlay disqualify nahi karsaktay.... aur agar kardiya tu phir siyasi shaheed..... woh bhi jab sirf kuch days ki baat hai.. PM ka statement record hona hi hai ........ JIT ko ab chahye ke as soon as possible.. PM ka statement record karein.. isay delay na karein... it will depend now a lot on JIT..when PM can be disqualified?

Regd Rana Sanaullah's statement.. us par dehan na dein.. when Qatari prince has already said tht he is not ready to appear before JIT..even refused to record statement via vid link, to JIT..... JIT ke pass jab Qatari prince ka letter pohanch chukka hai..tu Rana Sanaullah jo bhi kahay ..us se farq nahi parta.. Rana Sanaullah is only bluffing..lekin iska bhi faida nahi.. kiun ke ab refusal ke baad JIT.. Qatari se contact hi nahi karay gi..... so as per Rana Sanaullah ..Qatari ke statement ki zuroorat bhi nahi paray gi

 

[El Sidd]

PM will not be summoned because it will not be needed. PM has still some options left on the table and he would be well advised to use them to get out this mess.
According to his plan the term 'waseeh tar mafaad' is still quite relevant but time is running out swiftly.

 

[QatariPrince]

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